Yes it costs to broadcast you are right and it costs to broadcast Free To Air and Freesat. But then the PSB BBC are paying again to broadcast on SKY, only so SKY can then charge it's customer for the recording function.
The BBC should only broadcast FTA and Freesat as their is still a requirement for SKY to broadcast the PSB BBC on the SKY EPG, that requirement is set by Ofcom.
And the saved money should be put back into new programmes on the PSB BBC. IMHO.
So lets get the BBC off of the Freesat EPG then...
By the way, Free To Air refers to satellite, Terrestrial is the term to use to describe Freeview.
You say you come here to discuss things, but you are not open for a discussion, instead you just keep repeating your views in answer to everything, not taking on board what others are saying, and just choosing to believe your idea is correct.
Yes it costs to broadcast you are right and it costs to broadcast Free To Air and Freesat. But then the PSB BBC are paying again to broadcast on SKY, only so SKY can then charge it's customer for the recording function.
The BBC should only broadcast FTA and Freesat as their is still a requirement for SKY to broadcast the PSB BBC on the SKY EPG, that requirement is set by Ofcom.
And the saved money should be put back into new programmes on the PSB BBC. IMHO.
The bit I have put in bold is incorrect, this payment covers a number of services that Sky provide to the BBC as part of being on the Sky system.
I cannot agree with the way you take statements out of context and the document you refer state that the EPG provider must carry the EPG for Public Service Broadcasters. Meaning the requirement is on SKY not the BBC.
Also the same document, section : Quote
15 In particular, EPG licensees are required:
f. to ensure that free-to-air services are at least as accessible as pay TV services, and that reception does not require additional equipment or commercial agreements over and above those required for the acquisition of the receiving equipment; and
g. to refrain from imposing any condition in an agreement for EPG services between an EPG operator and a channel provider specifying exclusivity to one EPG for any service or feature, including the ability to brand services and access to interactivity.
End of quote.
Which can be read to say it is all SKYS problem.
The BBC should broadcast only Free to Air and Freesat on Satellite IMOO. Then the saved costs should be but back into new programming only.
But they are happy to throw money away with a multitude of unwanted regional EPG slots!
and I still can't find the 'registered charity' number for the BBC !
I cannot agree with the way you take statements out of context and the document you refer state that the EPG provider must carry the EPG for Public Service Broadcasters. Meaning the requirement is on SKY not the BBC.
Also the same document, section : Quote
15 In particular, EPG licensees are required:
f. to ensure that free-to-air services are at least as accessible as pay TV services, and that reception does not require additional equipment or commercial agreements over and above those required for the acquisition of the receiving equipment; and
g. to refrain from imposing any condition in an agreement for EPG services between an EPG operator and a channel provider specifying exclusivity to one EPG for any service or feature, including the ability to brand services and access to interactivity.
End of quote.
Which can be read to say it is all SKYS problem.
The BBC should broadcast only Free to Air and Freesat on Satellite IMOO. Then the saved costs should be but back into new programming only.
I guess you missed that the bit I have bolded here, actually means that what you are saying should happen actually cannot happen, as it would mean a lot of people would "require additional equipment".
But they are happy to throw money away with a multitude of unwanted regional EPG slots!
!
The BBC has all the regions accessible on the EPG for two reasons -
1)to ensure that viewers at the boundary of a regions can access the BBC service they prefer(or was the one they get on DTT)
2)to allow the people of the UK to see the local programing from across the UK ..
...and it doesn't cost that much more when you allow for the regionalization charges,
There is, if you look at the document I posted. They have to be universally available. Removing their channels would be against their PSB remit, as this would mean they would not be available to the 10 million Sky subscribers, and all of those that use a Sky box to receive the FTA & FTV channels.
Sky however have no requirement to carry the BBC channels.
Again you are wrong. It is the BBCs problem as they would not be meeting the requirements of the PSB remit.[/QUOTE]
The BBC meet their remit as they broadcast Free To Air already on Satellite.
The SKY EPG is what Sky impose on top of the SKY system.
Sky STB receivers can already receive Free To Air signals..
There is no remit that says you have to be able to record the PSB BBC broadcasts..
I guess you missed that the bit I have bolded here, actually means that what you are saying should happen actually cannot happen, as it would mean a lot of people would "require additional equipment".
No I had not missed it and you are taking it out of context.
The documents you refer to is the Ofcom requirements for SKY to broadcast the PSB channels.. They requirement you refer to is not placed on the PSB BBC but on SKY...
The BBC has all the regions accessible on the EPG for two reasons -
1)to ensure that viewers at the boundary of a regions can access the BBC service they prefer(or was the one they get on DTT)
2)to allow the people of the UK to see the local programing from across the UK ..
...and it doesn't cost that much more when you allow for the regionalization charges,
As I replied to ktla5 before I recall it is Ofcom that make that requirement, or at least I recall somewhere reading a requirement for them to do so..
There is no remit that says you have to be able to record the PSB BBC broadcasts..
No but it requires PSB channels (not just the BBC channels) to be universally available, which they would not be if they were not on Sky.
Sky is of course the leading pay TV platform in the country, and is one of the most common way that people use to access the FTA channels.
If I recall correctly it is a requirement of Ofcom that the PSB BBC broadcast them channels.............
Sky have no such requirement.
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer”
obligation across all distribution systems, the BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation
and the free to air networks enjoy no copyright protection when being retransmitted by UK cable
systems.
No I had not missed it and you are taking it out of context.
The documents you refer to is the Ofcom requirements for SKY to broadcast the PSB channels.. They requirement you refer to is not placed on the PSB BBC but on SKY...
No, you are the one that is taking it out of context.
That documents refers to EPG listings only, not broadcast requirements...
Sky have no requirement to list PSBs on their EPG, however as PSBs, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five have a requirement to ensure that their PSB channels (not all of the channels though, as only some are PSB channels) are universally available.
No, you are the one that is taking it out of context.
That documents refers to EPG listings only, not broadcast requirements...
Sky have no requirement to list PSBs on their EPG, however as PSBs, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five have a requirement to ensure that their PSB channels (not all of the channels though, as only some are PSB channels) are universally available.
So what you are saying is any company that starts any kind of TV output by whatever means, Then the 4 main Psb's would have to join that Platform, No matter by what means or where it was being broadcast from, I think you are wrong, But then you live in your own little sky world:D
So what you are saying is any company that starts any kind of TV output by whatever means, Then the 4 main Psb's would have to join that Platform, No matter by what means or where it was being broadcast from, I think you are wrong, But then you live in your own little sky world:D
Oh Peter, just because you live in your own little Freesat world doesn't mean I do with Sky.
I have only had Sky 3 months, and had Virgin Media before then, but I do live in my own little pay TV world.
They have a requirement to be available universally, that doesn't mean they will have to be on newly available small platforms, but Sky cannot be called a small platform, it is one of the most used TV provider is this country.
This applies to all of the PSB channels, not just the BBC.
Them removing their channels would mean they would not be meeting this remit, as they would not be universally available.
Yet again you miss quote and take words out of context in doing so, just to try to make it conform to the false statements you make.
The original quote (from the draft, only, document) you linked to is:
The draft Communications Bill - The Policy (rule)
12 Annex B
Public service broadcasting remits
The General Public Service Broadcasting Remit
The General Public Service Broadcasting Remit is defined as the provision of a properly balanced service with a view to the maintenance of high general standards in all respects (and in particular in respect of their content, quality and editorial integrity) and offering a wide range of subject matter (having regard both to the programmes as a whole and also to the days of the week on which, and the times of the day at which, the programmes are shown) meeting the needs and interests of different audiences, and having regard to the specific provisions set out below:
The provisions referred to above are:
a) provided as a public service for disseminating information, education and entertainment
b) stimulate, support and reflect, in drama, comedy, music and the visual and performing arts, the diversity of cultural activity in the United Kingdom
c) contain comprehensive and authoritative coverage of news and current affairs in the United Kingdom and throughout the world to support fair and informed debate at local, regional and national levels
d) provide wide-ranging coverage of sporting and other leisure interests
e) contain programmes of an educational nature (including specialist factual, religious and social issues programmes)
f) include a high standard of original programmes for children and young people
g) contain programmes which reflect the lives and concerns of both United Kingdom audiences and more local communities
h) contain a reasonable proportion and range of programmes for United Kingdom audiences made outside London and the South East.
Specific Public Service Broadcasting Remits
In addition to the General public service broadcasting remit, each public service broadcaster * ie Channels 3, 4, & 5, together with the BBC and S4C * will have a detailed remit listing the specific second and third tier commitments. Taken together the remits will establish a hierarchy of public service broadcaster obligations ranging from the BBC at the top to Channel 5 at the bottom. The obligations will apply as follows:
All Public Service Broadcasters
•Free to air and universally available services]
•25% independent production quota
•Original production quota
•Party political broadcasts
•News and current affairs in peak time
In addition, specific requirements as follows:
The BBC
•Regional programming quota
•Regional production quota
•Programmes for schools
•High quality of programmes meeting meet the full public service broadcasting remit as set out in the Agreement
Channel 3
•Regional programming quota
•Regional production quota
•A range of high quality and diverse programming
Channel 4
•Regional production quota
•Programmes for schools
•High quality of programmes providing a broad range of high quality diverse programming which in particular demonstrates innovation and reflects cultural diversity
S4C
•A broad range of high quality diverse programming, with a substantial proportion of programmes in Welsh
Channel 5
•A range of high quality and diverse programming.
End of quote of Draft only document.............
It requires that they make themselves available
Free to air and universally available services
Which they do on Freeview, Freesat, Free To Air on satellite, iplayer, Virgin, BT TV, TalkTalk TV and the internet.
No where in that documents does it say they must pay to be on a Pay to View service.
If you r410 think it does then highlight and link to that section and not just cut words out to suit your opinion.
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Originally Posted by MeMeMeI View Post
Hello Klta,
If I recall correctly it is a requirement of Ofcom that the PSB BBC broadcast them channels.............
Sky have no such requirement.
Quote:
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer”
obligation across all distribution systems, the BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation
and the free to air networks enjoy no copyright protection when being retransmitted by UK cable
systems. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...rgesReview.pdf
Again r410 you take things out of context to suit you own inaccurate statements.
My reply was to Ktla about the posted question about why the regional versions.
I informed Ktla that it is a requirement placed on the BBC to broadcast them.
It has nothing to do with your comment about SKY.
Also you own words and information you point to destroy your whole argument.
Quote of r410
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer” << OFFER! Not force or pay to.................. obligation across all distribution systems, the BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation << NO! must carry obligation.............. and the free to air networks enjoy no copyright protection when being retransmitted by UK cable
systems. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...rgesReview.pdf
End Quote
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer”
obligation across all distribution systems, << They meet that as the PSB BBC already transmit free to air on satellite.
BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation <<< By you own link you confirm you have no right to PSB BBC on BSkyB, as there is no must carry obligation on SKY.
Infact the only obligation on PSB BBC is that they must offer the Free To Air broadcast to BskyB, no where does it say they have to force BskyB to accept or broadcast it.
Meaning the PSB BBC has met their requirement and do not have to pay to be on BskyB.
All of which makes you argument null and void, but you have so far never let truth and facts get in the way of your agenda, r410..
I pay the BBC the TV licence and I pay Sky to use their platform therefore I think I am entitled to watch the BBC on the Sky platform.
Hello El Guapo
You are entitled to think that but thinking it does not make it law or a legal requirement.
As r410 own quote previously points out there is no obligation on BskyB to show the PSB BBC channels.............
And a TV licence is only a right to watch TV, it is not a right to have the PSB BBC broadcasts.....
Even if you lived in a area that could not get the BBC but got other TV channels, the law says you have to have a licence to watch TV. So even if you only watch say, Indian TV channels, you still need a Licence to watch TV.............
You are entitled to think that but thinking it does not make it law or a legal requirement.
As r410 own quote previously points out there is no obligation on BskyB to show the PSB BBC channels.............
And a TV licence is only a right to watch TV, it is not a right to have the PSB BBC broadcasts.....
Even if you lived in a area that could not get the BBC but got other TV channels, the law says you have to have a licence to watch TV. So even if you only watch say, Indian TV channels, you still need a Licence to watch TV.............
Maybe it would help if the BBC were not pissing money up the wall on IT projects?
Yet again you miss quote and take words out of context in doing so, just to try to make it conform to the false statements you make.
- Unnecessary quote removed -
It requires that they make themselves available
Free to air and universally available services
Which they do on Freeview, Freesat, Free To Air on satellite, iplayer, Virgin, BT TV, TalkTalk TV and the internet.
No where in that documents does it say they must pay to be on a Pay to View service.
If you r410 think it does then highlight and link to that section and not just cut words out to suit your opinion.
Free to air and universally available.
Which means that it has universally available WITHOUT THE NEED TO ADD IT YOURSELF.
Which is what you would have to do if the BBC removed themselves from Sky's EPG.
Sky is not just a Pay to view system, it has channels that you do not have to pay for to view. Sky themselves market the "Freesat from Sky" service, so they aren't going to want the BBC channels removing from their EPG either, as this would mean that people would not use the FSFS service and just get a Freesat box.
You are talking about Sky as if they have just a small number of users, when it is one of most used ways of receiving TV. They are 10 million homes that have Sky subscriptions, and then there will be many more Sky boxes out there that are being using as a Freesat box.
You have shown no real justification why the BBC should come off of Sky, the BBC themselves are not even bothered about the EPG charges, to be listed on the Sky EPG, it is the other charges that Sky that they want removing for all of the PSB channels.
As r410 own quote previously points out there is no obligation on BskyB to show the PSB BBC channels.............
Yes, Sky have no requirement to carry the BBC channels, but the BBC does have a requirement to ensure their channels are available easily on platforms, and obviously as one of the main providers of TV is this country, they need to be on Sky.
And a TV licence is only a right to watch TV, it is not a right to have the PSB BBC broadcasts.....
You were complaining about people going off topic in other threads yet here you are doing it yourself.
The TV licence doesn't guarantee that users will be able to get the BBC channels, but the BBC has to ensure that as many of the Licence fee payers can receive their services, just as the other PSBs are required to aswell.
Even if you lived in a area that could not get the BBC but got other TV channels, the law says you have to have a licence to watch TV. So even if you only watch say, Indian TV channels, you still need a Licence to watch TV.............
There is not many places where it is impossible to receive any UK broadcasts, there are a number of places in the country that cannot receive Terrestrial TV, but they will be able to receive satellite TV.
I don't know why you are lecturing anyone on this matter, no one has claimed that if you cannot receive UK TV you do not require a TV Licence.
Comments
By the way, Free To Air refers to satellite, Terrestrial is the term to use to describe Freeview.
You say you come here to discuss things, but you are not open for a discussion, instead you just keep repeating your views in answer to everything, not taking on board what others are saying, and just choosing to believe your idea is correct.
But they are happy to throw money away with a multitude of unwanted regional EPG slots!
and I still can't find the 'registered charity' number for the BBC !
The BBC has all the regions accessible on the EPG for two reasons -
1)to ensure that viewers at the boundary of a regions can access the BBC service they prefer(or was the one they get on DTT)
2)to allow the people of the UK to see the local programing from across the UK ..
...and it doesn't cost that much more when you allow for the regionalization charges,
SKY gave the BBC extra channels for the olympics and it was brilliant.
Dr Who 50th anniversary will be broadcast in 3D on BBC HD channels, which I could not watch through Freeview.
Virgin Media also added the channels to so it was not just Sky doing something either.
Sky only did it because it enabled them to market their own service anyway. They ran ads for a summer of sport, which included the Olympics.
I would never rely on Freeview as my main source of TV, there are too many limitations to the DVB-T system.
Sky however have no requirement to carry the BBC channels.
Again you are wrong. It is the BBCs problem as they would not be meeting the requirements of the PSB remit.[/QUOTE]
The BBC meet their remit as they broadcast Free To Air already on Satellite.
The SKY EPG is what Sky impose on top of the SKY system.
Sky STB receivers can already receive Free To Air signals..
There is no remit that says you have to be able to record the PSB BBC broadcasts..
Hello Klta,
If I recall correctly it is a requirement of Ofcom that the PSB BBC broadcast them channels.............
No I had not missed it and you are taking it out of context.
The documents you refer to is the Ofcom requirements for SKY to broadcast the PSB channels.. They requirement you refer to is not placed on the PSB BBC but on SKY...
As I replied to ktla5 before I recall it is Ofcom that make that requirement, or at least I recall somewhere reading a requirement for them to do so..
What has that to do with this discussion?
And which Freeview Lite area are you in then?
If you can get Sky you can receive Freesat, which has HD channels on it.............:rolleyes:
An EPG is widely seen as the gateway that people use to watch TV, ie they use an EPG to decide what they are going to watch.
Yes, but that is not the issue. This is just something you are fixating on.
No but it requires PSB channels (not just the BBC channels) to be universally available, which they would not be if they were not on Sky.
Sky is of course the leading pay TV platform in the country, and is one of the most common way that people use to access the FTA channels.
That documents refers to EPG listings only, not broadcast requirements...
Sky have no requirement to list PSBs on their EPG, however as PSBs, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five have a requirement to ensure that their PSB channels (not all of the channels though, as only some are PSB channels) are universally available.
So what you are saying is any company that starts any kind of TV output by whatever means, Then the 4 main Psb's would have to join that Platform, No matter by what means or where it was being broadcast from, I think you are wrong, But then you live in your own little sky world:D
I have only had Sky 3 months, and had Virgin Media before then, but I do live in my own little pay TV world.
They have a requirement to be available universally, that doesn't mean they will have to be on newly available small platforms, but Sky cannot be called a small platform, it is one of the most used TV provider is this country.
Yet again you miss quote and take words out of context in doing so, just to try to make it conform to the false statements you make.
The original quote (from the draft, only, document) you linked to is:
The draft Communications Bill - The Policy (rule)
12 Annex B
Public service broadcasting remits
The General Public Service Broadcasting Remit
The General Public Service Broadcasting Remit is defined as the provision of a properly balanced service with a view to the maintenance of high general standards in all respects (and in particular in respect of their content, quality and editorial integrity) and offering a wide range of subject matter (having regard both to the programmes as a whole and also to the days of the week on which, and the times of the day at which, the programmes are shown) meeting the needs and interests of different audiences, and having regard to the specific provisions set out below:
The provisions referred to above are:
a) provided as a public service for disseminating information, education and entertainment
b) stimulate, support and reflect, in drama, comedy, music and the visual and performing arts, the diversity of cultural activity in the United Kingdom
c) contain comprehensive and authoritative coverage of news and current affairs in the United Kingdom and throughout the world to support fair and informed debate at local, regional and national levels
d) provide wide-ranging coverage of sporting and other leisure interests
e) contain programmes of an educational nature (including specialist factual, religious and social issues programmes)
f) include a high standard of original programmes for children and young people
g) contain programmes which reflect the lives and concerns of both United Kingdom audiences and more local communities
h) contain a reasonable proportion and range of programmes for United Kingdom audiences made outside London and the South East.
Specific Public Service Broadcasting Remits
In addition to the General public service broadcasting remit, each public service broadcaster * ie Channels 3, 4, & 5, together with the BBC and S4C * will have a detailed remit listing the specific second and third tier commitments. Taken together the remits will establish a hierarchy of public service broadcaster obligations ranging from the BBC at the top to Channel 5 at the bottom. The obligations will apply as follows:
All Public Service Broadcasters
•Free to air and universally available services]
•25% independent production quota
•Original production quota
•Party political broadcasts
•News and current affairs in peak time
In addition, specific requirements as follows:
The BBC
•Regional programming quota
•Regional production quota
•Programmes for schools
•High quality of programmes meeting meet the full public service broadcasting remit as set out in the Agreement
Channel 3
•Regional programming quota
•Regional production quota
•A range of high quality and diverse programming
Channel 4
•Regional production quota
•Programmes for schools
•High quality of programmes providing a broad range of high quality diverse programming which in particular demonstrates innovation and reflects cultural diversity
S4C
•A broad range of high quality diverse programming, with a substantial proportion of programmes in Welsh
Channel 5
•A range of high quality and diverse programming.
End of quote of Draft only document.............
It requires that they make themselves available
Free to air and universally available services
Which they do on Freeview, Freesat, Free To Air on satellite, iplayer, Virgin, BT TV, TalkTalk TV and the internet.
No where in that documents does it say they must pay to be on a Pay to View service.
If you r410 think it does then highlight and link to that section and not just cut words out to suit your opinion.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MeMeMeI View Post
Hello Klta,
If I recall correctly it is a requirement of Ofcom that the PSB BBC broadcast them channels.............
Sky have no such requirement.
Quote:
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer”
obligation across all distribution systems, the BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation
and the free to air networks enjoy no copyright protection when being retransmitted by UK cable
systems.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...rgesReview.pdf
Again r410 you take things out of context to suit you own inaccurate statements.
My reply was to Ktla about the posted question about why the regional versions.
I informed Ktla that it is a requirement placed on the BBC to broadcast them.
It has nothing to do with your comment about SKY.
Also you own words and information you point to destroy your whole argument.
Quote of r410
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer” << OFFER! Not force or pay to..................
obligation across all distribution systems, the BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation << NO! must carry obligation..............
and the free to air networks enjoy no copyright protection when being retransmitted by UK cable
systems.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...rgesReview.pdf
End Quote
More specifically, while all the main free to air (PSB) networks in the UK are given a “must offer”
obligation across all distribution systems, << They meet that as the PSB BBC already transmit free to air on satellite.
BSkyB satellite platforms has no “must carry” obligation <<< By you own link you confirm you have no right to PSB BBC on BSkyB, as there is no must carry obligation on SKY.
Infact the only obligation on PSB BBC is that they must offer the Free To Air broadcast to BskyB, no where does it say they have to force BskyB to accept or broadcast it.
Meaning the PSB BBC has met their requirement and do not have to pay to be on BskyB.
All of which makes you argument null and void, but you have so far never let truth and facts get in the way of your agenda, r410..
Hello El Guapo
You are entitled to think that but thinking it does not make it law or a legal requirement.
As r410 own quote previously points out there is no obligation on BskyB to show the PSB BBC channels.............
And a TV licence is only a right to watch TV, it is not a right to have the PSB BBC broadcasts.....
Even if you lived in a area that could not get the BBC but got other TV channels, the law says you have to have a licence to watch TV. So even if you only watch say, Indian TV channels, you still need a Licence to watch TV.............
Maybe it would help if the BBC were not pissing money up the wall on IT projects?
That discussion would take this post of topic:rolleyes: and is already being discussed elsewhere.
The BBC has always been developing and introducing new technology and the trouble with developing is sometimes the project does not work...
Anyway back to the topic of the thread is best..
Which means that it has universally available WITHOUT THE NEED TO ADD IT YOURSELF.
Which is what you would have to do if the BBC removed themselves from Sky's EPG.
Sky is not just a Pay to view system, it has channels that you do not have to pay for to view. Sky themselves market the "Freesat from Sky" service, so they aren't going to want the BBC channels removing from their EPG either, as this would mean that people would not use the FSFS service and just get a Freesat box.
You are talking about Sky as if they have just a small number of users, when it is one of most used ways of receiving TV. They are 10 million homes that have Sky subscriptions, and then there will be many more Sky boxes out there that are being using as a Freesat box.
You have shown no real justification why the BBC should come off of Sky, the BBC themselves are not even bothered about the EPG charges, to be listed on the Sky EPG, it is the other charges that Sky that they want removing for all of the PSB channels.
You were complaining about people going off topic in other threads yet here you are doing it yourself.
The TV licence doesn't guarantee that users will be able to get the BBC channels, but the BBC has to ensure that as many of the Licence fee payers can receive their services, just as the other PSBs are required to aswell.
There is not many places where it is impossible to receive any UK broadcasts, there are a number of places in the country that cannot receive Terrestrial TV, but they will be able to receive satellite TV.
I don't know why you are lecturing anyone on this matter, no one has claimed that if you cannot receive UK TV you do not require a TV Licence.