It's her business though. If I had a shop and refused to serve all gays then that's my right. It would be my business and I could refuse to serve anyone I just didn't like the look of. I could just say "sorry good not for sale right now." I'm not homophobic by the way, just illustrating a point.
You can refuse to serve them as a customer, but not refuse to serve them as gay customers
It the same thing you refuse to serve gay customers, can you stop these customers protesting out side your shop, and not just one or two, but 50 gay protestors
so when no customers come in, you loose on thing sthat could have been sold
When I've booked a room for my OH & I, I've always had to give both of our names. Same for him - the hotel's wanted to have both of our names. Even when I've stayed at Premier Inns with friends they've done that - the last time, there were six of us for three rooms & they wanted to know all the names even though the booking was in one person's name & the whole booking was going to be paid for by that person. Maybe it's just us then - black people on tour. :eek:
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To be serious, I honestly find your experience unusual. Batman works away from home so B&B and hotel booking is something we do a lot of and he often has a double room, just to have the extra space and somewhere to work, and a surname is all that's usually needed, as in the booking is in the name of Smith or whatever. I expect one of the guys in the story booked the double room and the B&B owner assumed that he'd be either alone or with a wife.
I don't agree with the 'her house, her rules' principal at all...it's not a 'private house' when she decides to run it as a guest house and open it up to the public.
Logically, her house will always be full of strangers...and public means public. If you accept one, you must accept all.
Yep, I'm sure the environmental health and fire brigade would have something to say about a guest house ignoring rules with the excuse 'it's MY house..'
Her house, her rules I suppose. I don't think she deserves all that abuse, we might not agree with her views, but she's entitled to them. Not everyone is liberal minded.
If I ran a guest house it wouldn't bother me what people got up to in their rooms (as long as it's not illegal) but an older member of my family might think differently. I wouldn't think they were bad people, just from a different generation.
I don't agree with the 'her house, her rules' principal at all...it's not a 'private house' when she decides to run it as a guest house and open it up to the public.
Logically, her house will always be full of strangers...and public means public. If you accept one, you must accept all.
Gay clubs turn away straight people though, so why shouldn't a straight BB turn away gay people?
It's her business though. If I had a shop and refused to serve all gays then that's my right. It would be my business and I could refuse to serve anyone I just didn't like the look of. I could just say "sorry good not for sale right now." I'm not homophobic by the way, just illustrating a point.
You could do that, but you would be breaking the law (as this lady did)
I think its disgusting that theres a law to enforce this kind of thing.. she had her beliefs and she stuck to them. She wasnt angry or agressive, or forcing her beliefs on anyone else. Who are the police to tell you who or what you are to do.. what if the person was a registered sex offender, would you be forced to house them for the night even if you don't want to?
I think its disgusting that theres a law to enforce this kind of thing.. she had her beliefs and she stuck to them. She wasnt angry or agressive, or forcing her beliefs on anyone else. Who are the police to tell you who or what you are to do.. what if the person was a registered sex offender, would you be forced to house them for the night even if you don't want to?
How would a hotelier KNOW if a person were a registered sex offender ????? Does one have to have a CRB check to book a hotel room nowdays ??
They shouldn't be doing that, you should complain.
I have never come across one that does.
Most night clubs are private establishments, they can turn away anyone they like, as far as I know (I'm not totally sure about this though, it's just what I've been told).
s3.—(1) For the purposes of these Regulations, a person (“A”) discriminates against another (“B”) if, on grounds of the sexual orientation of B or any other person except A, A treats B less favourably than he treats or would treat others (in cases where there is no material difference in the relevant circumstances).
I wonder if a case could be made that there is a material difference in the relevant circumstances.
s4.—(1) It is unlawful for a person (“A”) concerned with the provision to the public or a section of the public of goods, facilities or services to discriminate against a person (“B”) who seeks to obtain or to use those goods, facilities or services—
A private guest house or B&B which is also the proprietor's residence might be able to argue that it does not provide accommodation to the public, only to invited guests.
She shouldn't open up her house to guests if she is picky about the guests she accepts. She is entitled to her beliefs but she needn't have broken the law for them.
Why not just tell them that she had double booked? Or make up some excuse - she must have known this would cause upset....
She shouldn't open up her house to guests if she is picky about the guests she accepts. She is entitled to her beliefs but she needn't have broken the law for them.
Why not just tell them that she had double booked? Or make up some excuse - she must have known this would cause upset....
Here one which she could not accomadate them
You decided to get an escort and book a room for the night, with the intention of having sex all night, and if its a family b&b does she really want them boonking
You decided to get an escort and book a room for the night, with the intention of having sex all night, and if its a family b&b does she really want them boonking
I think its disgusting that theres a law to enforce this kind of thing.. she had her beliefs and she stuck to them. She wasnt angry or agressive, or forcing her beliefs on anyone else. Who are the police to tell you who or what you are to do.. what if the person was a registered sex offender, would you be forced to house them for the night even if you don't want to?
OK, so I decide I want to travel to - oh, I dunno - Snowdonia. And let's assume that I'm homosexual for this exercise and have a nice partner.
Snowdonia is a long way from where we live. We're going to need somewhere to stay. So we book a nice B&B and get turned away. Where else do we stay? We've just driven over 100 miles and everywhere else is booked up.
I can tell you now, I'd be mightily peed off!
So then we say - well, it's OK if the B&B's publicise the fact they don't want gays in advance. So all the B&Bs in Snowdonia decide they don't want gays (I'm not inferring people from North Wales are all homophobic, here!) Just because I want to go somewhere with my partner, I can't stay anywhere because I'm gay? How is that fair?
I can totally understand the rationale of the law on this one.
Most night clubs are private establishments, they can turn away anyone they like, as far as I know (I'm not totally sure about this though, it's just what I've been told).
No they can't, they're bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as any other business. In practice of course it's "regulars only" or some other excuse, so proving it is another matter.
Haven holiday parks have been doing the same thing for years, but nowdays (presumably to flout the '07 law) they effectively discriminate against all same sex groups, not just gay couples, but pick and choose when to apply it. It's disgusting, but they get away with it.
We also reserve the right to not accept single sex bookings of any age. We may apply discretion in certain circumstances.
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You can refuse to serve them as a customer, but not refuse to serve them as gay customers
It the same thing you refuse to serve gay customers, can you stop these customers protesting out side your shop, and not just one or two, but 50 gay protestors
so when no customers come in, you loose on thing sthat could have been sold
:eek:
To be serious, I honestly find your experience unusual. Batman works away from home so B&B and hotel booking is something we do a lot of and he often has a double room, just to have the extra space and somewhere to work, and a surname is all that's usually needed, as in the booking is in the name of Smith or whatever. I expect one of the guys in the story booked the double room and the B&B owner assumed that he'd be either alone or with a wife.
Yep, I'm sure the environmental health and fire brigade would have something to say about a guest house ignoring rules with the excuse 'it's MY house..'
If I ran a guest house it wouldn't bother me what people got up to in their rooms (as long as it's not illegal) but an older member of my family might think differently. I wouldn't think they were bad people, just from a different generation.
Gay clubs turn away straight people though, so why shouldn't a straight BB turn away gay people?
You could do that, but you would be breaking the law (as this lady did)
They shouldn't be doing that, you should complain.
I have never come across one that does.
I know someone with a business and she who won't employ anyone who's not white but she doesn't say that reason, just that they're not suitable.;)
Where? You should complain about that.
Then they are breaking the law and should be taken to task over it
How do these gay clubs know you are striaght, do they have gaydarr
Would you defend her right to discriminate against none whites?
How would a hotelier KNOW if a person were a registered sex offender ????? Does one have to have a CRB check to book a hotel room nowdays ??
Most night clubs are private establishments, they can turn away anyone they like, as far as I know (I'm not totally sure about this though, it's just what I've been told).
I wonder if a case could be made that there is a material difference in the relevant circumstances.
A private guest house or B&B which is also the proprietor's residence might be able to argue that it does not provide accommodation to the public, only to invited guests.
Ah yes, "I don't want to do this" has no weight in law, but "my imaginary friend doesn't want me to do this" counts for a lot. Strange system we have.
Why not just tell them that she had double booked? Or make up some excuse - she must have known this would cause upset....
Here one which she could not accomadate them
You decided to get an escort and book a room for the night, with the intention of having sex all night, and if its a family b&b does she really want them boonking
Happens with gender too.
I don't understand your post...
OK, so I decide I want to travel to - oh, I dunno - Snowdonia. And let's assume that I'm homosexual for this exercise and have a nice partner.
Snowdonia is a long way from where we live. We're going to need somewhere to stay. So we book a nice B&B and get turned away. Where else do we stay? We've just driven over 100 miles and everywhere else is booked up.
I can tell you now, I'd be mightily peed off!
So then we say - well, it's OK if the B&B's publicise the fact they don't want gays in advance. So all the B&Bs in Snowdonia decide they don't want gays (I'm not inferring people from North Wales are all homophobic, here!) Just because I want to go somewhere with my partner, I can't stay anywhere because I'm gay? How is that fair?
I can totally understand the rationale of the law on this one.
No they can't, they're bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as any other business. In practice of course it's "regulars only" or some other excuse, so proving it is another matter.