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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    batgirl wrote: »
    I've been to see lots of psychics, including *local* ones and ones working in spiritualist churches. I've also listened to and read many examples of other people's readings, including readings for people who, like you, were totally convinced that the psychic was genuine and had told them stuff they couldn't have possibly known.

    Not one came anywhere close to being convincing and I learnt a great deal about hot and cold readings, Barnum statements, retrofitting etc.

    Whether consciously or not, these psychics use a bag of tricks and they get away with it because... well, because they take advantage of how the human brain is wired and the fact that many people want to believe.

    I bet you any money that if you posted an honest transcript of a reading with your chosen psychic, I and several other people here could walk you through it and show you exactly what happened and why you came away with the impression you did.

    Ok then I wasnt going to say this but its personal to my family...

    My local psychic predicted that my mum would be going through a very tough time, that she would have a very serious illness.... cancer! my mum had never met this psychic before, mum never told her about feeling really ill at the time there was no giveaways.

    Mum goes to the docs, she gets referred to hospital, she is diagnosed with cancer. Now that is a biggy to predict! if she had got that wrong she could have been sued maybe for saying such things.

    Mum is getting treatment and is getting through it, which is also what the psychic predicted.

    Obviously she was picking up something. Now my mum doesnt look like she has cancer, she looks remarkably well but its inside thats whats hurting. Most of the time you can tell when someone is really ill as they dont look right, my mum looks good still on the outside but on the inside isnt due to this illness.

    There you go it was personal and I didnt want to have to say it on a forum but you wanted some sort of proof so to speak.

    Pick at it and twist it however you wish, say its a load of bollocks etc I know and my mum know whats been said and is true.

    By the way she is fighting it.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    No! It's you making a claim of something so it will only ever be up to you to prove your claim.

    It's no one else's job to have to disprove nonsense.

    I wasnt afraid to take the opportunity to try these things, seems like everyone else is just going by what other people say.

    Each to own.
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    To be in any way valid claims have to be about the future in such was way that everyone can check them.

    For example Blair Roberston predicted that Pope Benedict would be dead by 12th April 2011.

    You know what. Last I heard old Benny is still alive and well.
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    Calibans DreamCalibans Dream Posts: 3,768
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    Funk You wrote: »
    I wasnt afraid to take the opportunity to try these things, seems like everyone else is just going by what other people say.

    Each to own.

    Why should we waste our time trying out nonsense? It is nonsense because people like you have never proved what you say ever.

    You are the one making claims. Please stop trying to make it anyone else's job but yours to prove it.

    It's the same with any load of nonsense spouted by anyone else at any time.

    What part do you just not get or understand? It's very simple.
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    Calibans DreamCalibans Dream Posts: 3,768
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    To be in any way valid claims have to be about the future in such was way that everyone can check them.

    For example Blair Roberston predicted that Pope Benedict would be dead by 12th April 2011.

    You know what. Last I heard old Benny is still alive and well.

    Ah! We psychics only shout loudly when what we say matches up with what happened. :rolleyes:

    We also make 1000s of predictions and then run with the 2 that work out that way by coincidence. :rolleyes:

    Seems these gullible people are just hopeless at maths and the theory of probability as well!
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    Funk You wrote: »
    Ok then I wasnt going to say this but its personal to my family...

    My local psychic predicted that my mum would be going through a very tough time, that she would have a very serious illness.... cancer! my mum had never met this psychic before, mum never told her about feeling really ill at the time there was no giveaways.

    Mum goes to the docs, she gets referred to hospital, she is diagnosed with cancer. Now that is a biggy to predict! if she had got that wrong she could have been sued maybe for saying such things.

    Mum is getting treatment and is getting through it, which is also what the psychic predicted.

    Obviously she was picking up something. Now my mum doesnt look like she has cancer, she looks remarkably well but its inside thats whats hurting. Most of the time you can tell when someone is really ill as they dont look right, my mum looks good still on the outside but on the inside isnt due to this illness.

    There you go it was personal and I didnt want to have to say it on a forum but you wanted some sort of proof so to speak.

    Pick at it and twist it however you wish, say its a load of bollocks etc I know and my mum know whats been said and is true.

    By the way she is fighting it.
    This all comes down to how the prediction was presented to you and/or your mother. When readings are recorded and picked-apart, it invariably turns out that the supposedly specific prediction is nothing like "You will be diagnosed with cancer in the next few weeks." although that's how the sitter may remember it being presented. Always get a recording.

    Over what timescale was diagnosis of the cancer predicted? I can safely predict that many forum members' mothers will suffer from cancer.

    I hope your mum recovers, by the way.
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    Funk You wrote: »
    Ok then I wasnt going to say this but its personal to my family...

    My local psychic predicted that my mum would be going through a very tough time, that she would have a very serious illness.... cancer! my mum had never met this psychic before, mum never told her about feeling really ill at the time there was no giveaways.

    Mum goes to the docs, she gets referred to hospital, she is diagnosed with cancer. Now that is a biggy to predict! if she had got that wrong she could have been sued maybe for saying such things.

    Mum is getting treatment and is getting through it, which is also what the psychic predicted.

    Obviously she was picking up something. Now my mum doesnt look like she has cancer, she looks remarkably well but its inside thats whats hurting. Most of the time you can tell when someone is really ill as they dont look right, my mum looks good still on the outside but on the inside isnt due to this illness.

    There you go it was personal and I didnt want to have to say it on a forum but you wanted some sort of proof so to speak.

    Pick at it and twist it however you wish, say its a load of bollocks etc I know and my mum know whats been said and is true.

    By the way she is fighting it.

    I had something like this happen when I had a reading with a Buddhist some years back. She described something that would happen to my partner's business reputation and it was not something generic or that could happen to anyone. She didn't know who I was as I stepped in at the last minute.
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    bollywood wrote: »
    I had something like this happen when I had a reading with a Buddhist some years back. She described something that would happen to my partner's business reputation and it was not something generic or that could happen to anyone. She didn't know who I was as I stepped in at the last minute.
    She could probably see you're the sort of person to fall for a dodgy dealer, though.;)
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    She could probably see you're the sort of person to fall for a dodgy dealer, though.;)

    That's an irrelevant comment if I ever saw one.
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    batgirlbatgirl Posts: 42,248
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    Funk You wrote: »
    Ok then I wasnt going to say this but its personal to my family...

    My local psychic predicted that my mum would be going through a very tough time, that she would have a very serious illness.... cancer! my mum had never met this psychic before, mum never told her about feeling really ill at the time there was no giveaways.

    Mum goes to the docs, she gets referred to hospital, she is diagnosed with cancer. Now that is a biggy to predict! if she had got that wrong she could have been sued maybe for saying such things.

    Mum is getting treatment and is getting through it, which is also what the psychic predicted.

    Obviously she was picking up something. Now my mum doesnt look like she has cancer, she looks remarkably well but its inside thats whats hurting. Most of the time you can tell when someone is really ill as they dont look right, my mum looks good still on the outside but on the inside isnt due to this illness.

    There you go it was personal and I didnt want to have to say it on a forum but you wanted some sort of proof so to speak.

    Pick at it and twist it however you wish, say its a load of bollocks etc I know and my mum know whats been said and is true.

    By the way she is fighting it.

    I'm glad to hear she's putting up a good fight.

    However, I do know, from experience, how these predictions work and I doubt very much that the psychic said to your mum - you're going to have such and such cancer and then treatment and you'll pull through it.

    Firstly, even if that did happen, it wouldn't be such an amazing prediction anyway, given how common cancer is and how many cancers these days aren't an automatic death sentence. So even if this was the one and only thing that was said to your mum, it doesn't mean there's a psychic gift at work.

    Add to this the fact that psychics say lots and lots of things during an average reading. You, or your mum, will only remember the hits, even if there's just the one. What's in fact happening is the numbers game - mention enough common experiences and something will resonate.

    Another thing is that the cancer statement by the psychic is really much less likely to have been as specific as your mum remembers it. This happens time and time again. A person swears blind that they were told one thing and a recording shows something else. So cancer might've been mentioned but it only became relevant to your mum when she became ill. If she hadn't, maybe a family member would've had a cancer diagnosis. Or a friend. Or even someone's pet. One way or another, a general Barnum statement (I see a serious illness ahead) can very easily be seen as a specific hit, if one's not careful.

    What you posted isn't proof. It's your version of what happened and I've seen time and again how someone's version of a psychic reading is massively at odds with reality.

    What's very telling is that out of all the people who claim a reliable psychic talent (to the extent that they're able to make appointments and apparently exhibit this talent to others) not one has been shown to have psychic ability when chance hits are discounted and all opportunities to cheat are removed.

    That alone should give you a massive hint as to what's really going on.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    To be in any way valid claims have to be about the future in such was way that everyone can check them.

    For example Blair Roberston predicted that Pope Benedict would be dead by 12th April 2011.

    You know what. Last I heard old Benny is still alive and well.

    You basically just disregarded to what I posted last and have gone back to highlighting psychics who are obviously fakes. Its useless trying to explain certain things to some people especially if they are too stubborn to think otherwise so I wont waste my energy.
    Why should we waste our time trying out nonsense? It is nonsense because people like you have never proved what you say ever.

    You are the one making claims. Please stop trying to make it anyone else's job but yours to prove it.

    It's the same with any load of nonsense spouted by anyone else at any time.

    What part do you just not get or understand? It's very simple.

    I understand fully that you dont believe in it and I was stating my side of the story, you decided to fixate on it and come across very aggy in your reply. Not everyone will believe certain things, but to dismiss others who do believe in something just goes to show that some people are not opened minded enough to accept other peoples opinions and beliefs.
    This all comes down to how the prediction was presented to you and/or your mother. When readings are recorded and picked-apart, it invariably turns out that the supposedly specific prediction is nothing like "You will be diagnosed with cancer in the next few weeks." although that's how the sitter may remember it being presented. Always get a recording.

    Over what timescale was diagnosis of the cancer predicted? I can safely predict that many forum members' mothers will suffer from cancer.

    I hope your mum recovers, by the way.

    Time scale was five months before she was diagnosed.
    bollywood wrote: »
    That's an irrelevant comment if I ever saw one.

    Don't worry about it, just another person who likes to think they are right and anyone who has a different view is wrong, that DS for you :rolleyes:
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    Funk You wrote: »
    You basically just disregarded to what I posted last and have gone back to highlighting psychics who are obviously fakes. Its useless trying to explain certain things to some people especially if they are too stubborn to think otherwise so I wont waste my energy.

    I have already explained that you could bring 100 such stories and they are not valid as we have no way of verifying anything.

    If you seriously believe that psychic phenomena are possible then you can start to today and start checking out predictions about the future.

    If you are correct and these things exist then it should be easy to prove that they do exist.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    batgirl wrote: »
    I'm glad to hear she's putting up a good fight.

    However, I do know, from experience, how these predictions work and I doubt very much that the psychic said to your mum - you're going to have such and such cancer and then treatment and you'll pull through it.

    Firstly, even if that did happen, it wouldn't be such an amazing prediction anyway, given how common cancer is and how many cancers these days aren't an automatic death sentence. So even if this was the one and only thing that was said to your mum, it doesn't mean there's a psychic gift at work.

    Add to this the fact that psychics say lots and lots of things durning an average reading. You, or your mum, will only remember the hits, even if there's just the one. What's in fact happening is the numbers game - mention enough common experiences and something will resonate.

    Another thing is that the cancer statement by the psychic is really much less likely to have been as specific as your mum remembers it. This happens time and time again. A person swears blind that they were told one thing and a recording shows something else. So cancer might've been mentioned but it only became relevant to your mum when she became ill. If she hadn't, maybe a family member would've had a cancer diagnosis. Or a friend. Or even someone's pet. One way or another, a general Barnum statement (I see a serious illness ahead) can very easily be seen as a specific hit, if one's not careful.

    What you posted isn't proof. It's your version of what happened and I've seen time and again how someone's version of a psychic reading is massively at odds with reality.

    What's very telling is that out of all the people who claim a reliable psychic talent (to the extent that they're able to make appointments and apparently exhibit this talent to others) not one has been shown to have psychic ability when chance hits are discounted and all opportunities to cheat are removed.

    That alone should give you a massive hint as to what's really going on.

    She predicted what cancer it was as well down to the fine detail.

    I have been to see quite a few psychics, and I know there are fakes out there and I'm not denying the fact that there is fakery in readings, there are some who do prey on people's downfalls and feed them false information.

    Then there are some genuine ones who are spot on with things, we remember the hits from that reading and we also remember a few misses (there was about 2 things she got wrong with a couple of names in our family) other than that she was spot on with everything else and it has come true so far. Its up to people what they believe and I just think that those who dont believe it are being silly in trying to make others feel bad just because their opinions or experiences differ from theirs. It seems some of the posters on here haven't even gone to a psychic for a reading yet they spout on about how they think its fake, still they are too scared to take the plunge and try it out.

    I'll leave it there as its their choice and I have my choices and beliefs. Way I see it is if you dont give something a try how will you know if its any good? if you listen to people who say something is no good yet it turns out to be good then you would have missed out on that chance.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    I have already explained that you could bring 100 such stories and they are not valid as we have no way of verifying anything.

    If you seriously believe that psychic phenomena are possible then you can start to today and start checking out predictions about the future.

    If you are correct and these things exist then it should be easy to prove that they do exist.

    Well then why not see for yourself if you dont believe what I put about my mum. I'm not the sort of person to make stuff up about cancer.

    Your just saying the same stuff you was saying a couple of pages back. Maybe if you took the time to seek out the genuine psychics perhaps you will see other peoples point of view but seeing as you dont want to do that you say the same thing over and over.

    You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. Whatever you may say to try and get me to not believe simply will not work.

    I'll leave it there with you because I can this will rumble on for a long time and the posts will just keep repeating. I see your side of it and obviously you dont see my side, thats cool but coming across like you have done just makes you look a bit of an idiot. Like I said if people want to believe then let them, some people believe in winning big big money at a casino when the odds are stacked against them, others believe in other outragous stuff but thats up to them at the end of the day.
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    batgirlbatgirl Posts: 42,248
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    Funk You wrote: »
    She predicted what cancer it was as well down to the fine detail.

    I have been to see quite a few psychics, and I know there are fakes out there and I'm not denying the fact that there is fakery in readings, there are some who do prey on people's downfalls and feed them false information.

    Then there are some genuine ones who are spot on with things, we remember the hits from that reading and we also remember a few misses (there was about 2 things she got wrong with a couple of names in our family) other than that she was spot on with everything else and it has come true so far. Its up to people what they believe and I just think that those who dont believe it are being silly in trying to make others feel bad just because their opinions or experiences differ from theirs. It seems some of the posters on here haven't even gone to a psychic for a reading yet they spout on about how they think its fake, still they are too scared to take the plunge and try it out.

    I'll leave it there as its their choice and I have my choices and beliefs. Way I see it is if you dont give something a try how will you know if its any good? if you listen to people who say something is no good yet it turns out to be good then you would have missed out on that chance.

    Don't you find it odd that none are spot on with things when they can't cheat or when chance is discounted?
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    Funk You wrote: »
    Well then why not see for yourself if you dont believe what I put about my mum. I'm not the sort of person to make stuff up about cancer.

    Your just saying the same stuff you was saying a couple of pages back. Maybe if you took the time to seek out the genuine psychics perhaps you will see other peoples point of view but seeing as you dont want to do that you say the same thing over and over.

    You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. Whatever you may say to try and get me to not believe simply will not work.

    I'll leave it there with you because I can this will rumble on for a long time and the posts will just keep repeating. I see your side of it and obviously you dont see my side, thats cool but coming across like you have done just makes you look a bit of an idiot. Like I said if people want to believe then let them, some people believe in winning big big money at a casino when the odds are stacked against them, others believe in other outragous stuff but thats up to them at the end of the day.

    You can ask people if I am regarded as an idiot on Digital Spy or indeed anywhere else.

    BTW using words like that could earn you a ban on DS.

    As for what sort of guy you are? I have no idea I have not come across you until this thread.
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    Interesting that Funk You, as a consumer, clearly does not regard the readings she has bought as "entertainment". The current "for entertainment purposes" disclaimer is obviously too lenient and is disregarded by both psychics and their sitters.

    I wonder how often this particular psychic "diagnoses" serious illnesses for people? A matter for Trading Standards, perhaps?
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    Interesting that Funk You, as a consumer, clearly does not regard the readings she has bought as "entertainment". The current "for entertainment purposes" disclaimer is obviously too lenient and is disregarded by both psychics and their sitters.

    I wonder how often this particular psychic "diagnoses" serious illnesses for people? A matter for Trading Standards, perhaps?

    So a "psychic" who is breaking the law. Not a good start.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    You can ask people if I am regarded as an idiot on Digital Spy or indeed anywhere else.

    BTW using words like that could earn you a ban on DS.

    As for what sort of guy you are? I have no idea I have not come across you until this thread.

    Again dismissing everything I said in the post and focusing on one tiny bit. Read through it again and dont take it as a personal attack as it wasnt one. Dont care if your an idiot or not I dont know you either, you could be one or you could be a nice person I dont know. I said my bit, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe.

    Simples.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    Interesting that Funk You, as a consumer, clearly does not regard the readings she has bought as "entertainment". The current "for entertainment purposes" disclaimer is obviously too lenient and is disregarded by both psychics and their sitters.

    I wonder how often this particular psychic "diagnoses" serious illnesses for people? A matter for Trading Standards, perhaps?

    This was not on the TV, the TV psychics are limited in what they can say due to restrictions which proves my point earlier in this thread that the actual TV show is a money making scam.

    Point I was getting from my experiences was that local psychics can say what is properly being said without no restrictions.
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    Funk You wrote: »
    Well then why not see for yourself if you dont believe what I put about my mum. I'm not the sort of person to make stuff up about cancer.

    Your just saying the same stuff you was saying a couple of pages back. Maybe if you took the time to seek out the genuine psychics perhaps you will see other peoples point of view but seeing as you dont want to do that you say the same thing over and over.

    You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. Whatever you may say to try and get me to not believe simply will not work.

    I'll leave it there with you because I can this will rumble on for a long time and the posts will just keep repeating. I see your side of it and obviously you dont see my side, thats cool but coming across like you have done just makes you look a bit of an idiot. Like I said if people want to believe then let them, some people believe in winning big big money at a casino when the odds are stacked against them, others believe in other outragous stuff but thats up to them at the end of the day.
    Belief is subjective. You made an objective statement of "fact".

    In future, you should remember to qualify your claims about "proper psychics" with the phrase "I believe", rather than making preposterous claims you're unwilling and unable to support with credible evidence.
    Funk You wrote: »
    This was not on the TV, the TV psychics are limited in what they can say due to restrictions which proves my point earlier in this thread that the actual TV show is a money making scam.

    Point I was getting from my experiences was that local psychics can say what is properly being said without no restrictions.
    All commercial psychics should inform customers that readings are for entertainment purposes, not just the TV psychics.

    If you paid this woman money for her services, she must have been breaking the law if she did not present the reading as entertainment.
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    Belief is subjective. You made an objective statement of "fact".

    In future, you remember to qualify your claims about "proper psychics" with the phrase "I believe", rather than making preposterous claims you're unwilling and unable to support with credible evidence.

    :rolleyes: you have to try it out to see if you believe it thats what I have been saying, people can talk about it all day and night that its either a load of rubbish and all psychics are the same and people can say that there are some genuine psychics out there that can help. Again its all down to whether people want to try it or not, if they dont then thats up to them same goes for those who do want to.
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    Funk You wrote: »
    :rolleyes: you have to try it out to see if you believe it thats what I have been saying, people can talk about it all day and night that its either a load of rubbish and all psychics are the same and people can say that there are some genuine psychics out there that can help. Again its all down to whether people want to try it or not, if they dont then thats up to them same goes for those who do want to.

    So are you going to point out who these genuine psychics are?

    be more pacific is a dab hand at the crystal ball you know!
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    Funk YouFunk You Posts: 6,864
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    Belief is subjective. You made an objective statement of "fact".

    In future, you should remember to qualify your claims about "proper psychics" with the phrase "I believe", rather than making preposterous claims you're unwilling and unable to support with credible evidence.


    All commercial psychics should inform customers that readings are for entertainment purposes, not just the TV psychics.

    If you paid this woman money for her services, she must have been breaking the law if she did not present the reading as entertainment.

    I think this goes for TV psychics under strict regulation from the company that produces the program not those who do local readings.
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    Funk You wrote: »
    :rolleyes: you have to try it out to see if you believe it thats what I have been saying, people can talk about it all day and night that its either a load of rubbish and all psychics are the same and people can say that there are some genuine psychics out there that can help. Again its all down to whether people want to try it or not, if they dont then thats up to them same goes for those who do want to.
    I would be trying ENTERTAINMENT! Legally, it has to be presented as ENTERTAINMENT because it's not real.

    Can you please name this "psychic" who is selling you readings without explaining that her services are for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only? I would like to report her to Trading Standards.:D
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