If you were anna and you had to sleep with one, who would you pick?
I dont even want to think about it!
I prefer the character of phelan as i think hes more interesting as a baddie. Hes more manipulative and creepy. Derek was more of a comic baddie with a sense of humour.
He intrigued me and scared me both at the time when he was on the show. Yes Phelan is a good baddie but he doesn't do the same that Derek did for me unfortunately
Phelan is a believable hard ass baddie. Derek was a joke. Phelan is successful, he has a nice big house, a decent car and according to his wife foreign holidays. What did Derek have? Derek was a petty criminal and his dress sense was terrible. Who wears a suit and tie with a cardigan these days? Also Phelan is quite big and looks like he can handle himself in a fight while Derek was a little roly poly.
Also that he is virtually a rapist can be added to the list.
Sorry - just had to mention those.
I don't think he's a waster. Even though he's bankrupt he's still running a business and making money. He is a rapist, coercing someone to sleep with you like that might as well be rape.
I don't think he's a waster. Even though he's bankrupt he's still running a business and making money. He is a rapist, coercing someone to sleep with you like that might as well be rape.
Yes - do agree with what you say here, pretty much.
Just thought that I'd make these points in case anyone is under the impression that Phelan has any realistic redeeming features - which I don't think he has (this is purely based on what has been seen, so far).
Derek was more of a villain off screen than he was on it (hiding Carol's post as we discovered after his death, having been the one that buried Max alive, terrorising David (was that seen in the original stint?) Not enough was seen as to why Tanya hated him, or why Pat was scared of him. Obviously she hated him for what he did to David, but what did he do that had her running away as soon as she saw him? Didn't Alfie manage to pull a fast one on him at one point? Totally undermines him as a villain.
IMO Andy Hunter was more of a villain that Derek - and he was axed for not being scary enough. As Phelan demonstrates, not all villains have to be scary.
Phelan, because he's much more believable. That's partly why I find his scenes difficult to watch - I've met people like him, who are simply amoral and who you'll never stop through trying to reason with them.
Derek was ridiculous. Massively sentimental but also genuinely horrible, and the attempts at humanising him after that awful scene when Pat was dying only made him worse. Archie is a better comparison - he was frightening.
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Phelan= Believable hardman
He's about 4ft and as scary as a kitten...
I dont even want to think about it!
I prefer the character of phelan as i think hes more interesting as a baddie. Hes more manipulative and creepy. Derek was more of a comic baddie with a sense of humour.
Phelan is more believable as a conceivable villain though.
Also that he is virtually a rapist now as well can be added to the list of qualities he holds as an all-round good guy.
Sorry - just had to mention those.
I don't think he's a waster. Even though he's bankrupt he's still running a business and making money. He is a rapist, coercing someone to sleep with you like that might as well be rape.
Yes - do agree with what you say here, pretty much.
Just thought that I'd make these points in case anyone is under the impression that Phelan has any realistic redeeming features - which I don't think he has (this is purely based on what has been seen, so far).
Derek was more of a villain off screen than he was on it (hiding Carol's post as we discovered after his death, having been the one that buried Max alive, terrorising David (was that seen in the original stint?) Not enough was seen as to why Tanya hated him, or why Pat was scared of him. Obviously she hated him for what he did to David, but what did he do that had her running away as soon as she saw him? Didn't Alfie manage to pull a fast one on him at one point? Totally undermines him as a villain.
IMO Andy Hunter was more of a villain that Derek - and he was axed for not being scary enough. As Phelan demonstrates, not all villains have to be scary.
Phelan, just. Derek's hair just looked constantly greasy.
In the real world, neither.
Derek was ridiculous. Massively sentimental but also genuinely horrible, and the attempts at humanising him after that awful scene when Pat was dying only made him worse. Archie is a better comparison - he was frightening.