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Putin formally requests Parliament for Russian military intervention in Ukraine

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the upper house of parliament to approve sending armed forces to Ukraine’s Crimea region, the Kremlin said in a statement on Saturday.

“In connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots, and the personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation on Ukrainian territory (in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea) ... I submit a proposal on using the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine until the normalisation of the socio-political situation in the that country,” the statement said.

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2.13 pm GMT
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    So it's going to be war!
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    John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    So it's going to be war!

    Any nuclear shelters in Preston then??
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,845
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    So it's going to be war!

    Drop British paratroopers into Crimea as per 1994 treaty.:o
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,062
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    How Obama deals with this will help define his presidency.

    Poor Baroness Ashton is woefully out of her depth.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    Ooh it's like the Cold War all over again. Making me feel all young again.
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    PencilBreathPencilBreath Posts: 3,643
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    Time to dig out my Frankie Goes To Hollywood cassettes.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    Time to dig out my Frankie Goes To Hollywood cassettes.

    "When two tribes go to war......"
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Crimea was part of Russia until 1954 and had been for several centuries - and was only moved to the Ukraine region by Russia.

    Simples - give Russian land back to Russia! Problem solved.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,845
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Crimea was part of Russia until 1954 and had been for several centuries - and was only moved to the Ukraine region by Russia.

    Simples - give Russian land back to Russia! Problem solved.

    Hmmmm....it has been approved and it is not just for the Crimea either.
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    The federation council 89-0 has now approved Putin’s request to use armed force in Ukraine.
    The upper house of the Russian parliament unanimously approved President Putin’s request to use armed forces in defence of Russians and Russian interests, anywhere in the territory of Ukraine.
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    solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    This is why I am glad the EU has piddly military forces (that's not the say the nation state members don't have sufficiently strong forces).

    If they did we could be seeing a repeat of 1914: various interest groups pursuing mobilisation. In one case, the aggressor and in another, the countries upholding an honour based on ideals.

    Whether it's imperial nations in 1914 or supranational groups in 2014 there is always a risk (with powerful militaries) of leaders sending their men to fight each other.
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    Fish_and_ChipsFish_and_Chips Posts: 1,333
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    Time to dig out my Frankie Goes To Hollywood cassettes.
    Or watch Threads, it's on youtube. It's a drama made in the 80's about Sheffield at the outbreak of nuclear war. Close the curtains and settle down in the evening type TV, I defy anyone to watch it and not feel affected, brilliant drama.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    Hmmmm....it has been approved and it is not just for the Crimea either.
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    The federation council 89-0 has now approved Putin’s request to use armed force in Ukraine.
    The upper house of the Russian parliament unanimously approved President Putin’s request to use armed forces in defence of Russians and Russian interests, anywhere in the territory of Ukraine.

    Link. Quite compelling watching seeing events like this unfold in the age of instant news.

    Well, that and Soccer Saturday...:D. COYH.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    Or watch Threads, it's on youtube. It's a drama made in the 80's about Sheffield at the outbreak of nuclear war. Close the curtains and settle down in the evening type TV, I defy anyone to watch it and not feel affected, brilliant drama.

    I remember watching it at the time, scared the bejesus out of me.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,967
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    This is an interesting development, now it looks very likely he will do what he did in Eastern and Southern Ukraine what he did in Crimea.

    Also I have already got a "Will Russia Invade Ukraine?" thread going, so would you all of mind moving the dicussion to that thread as I will repost this...
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Time to send in Baroness Ashton in on a tank draped in the EU flag?;-)
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    Aye UpAye Up Posts: 7,053
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    This is escalating very quickly, my fear is that we won't do anything to support Ukraine and the vast majority who want ties with the west. We will leave Russia to walk all over them. There were valid reasons for not attacking Syria however in this instance I feel the EU specifically and its leading military should be stepping up to defend Ukranian sovereignty. Its starting in a part of Europe where the last two world wars began....not being a doomsayer but I have a feeling this is going to drag in further parties.

    The US says there will be a cost, Obama doesn't even have the balls to stand up for American interests, this will be something left to the British and France I would think. However whether either would get involved remains to be seen.
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    Tal'shiarTal'shiar Posts: 2,290
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    Ads wrote: »
    How Obama deals with this will help define his presidency.

    Poor Baroness Ashton is woefully out of her depth.

    And yet another American gets hit with the Curse of the 2nd term. Now he has to steer the country away from WW3.

    Should be fun to watch.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    The more Russian speaking bits he annexes the more the rest of the country the EU gets, including Kiev. A Euroasian union without Kiev- that will really hurt.
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    tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    We haven't got an army to do anything anymore and I doubt there is any enthusiasm for a war either
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,062
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    The more Russian speaking bits he annexes the more the rest of the country the EU gets, including Kiev. A Euroasian union without Kiev- that will really hurt.

    I heard an interesting commentator on the radio a few days back saying that splitting Ukraine between the Russian and Ukranian speaking areas could be pretty disastrous for the Ukranian sector of the country, as nearly all the manufacturing and mining is found in the east - a Ukraine without the Russian speaking bits is not at all financially viable.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,967
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    Aye Up wrote: »
    This is escalating very quickly, my fear is that we won't do anything to support Ukraine and the vast majority who want ties with the west. We will leave Russia to walk all over them. There were valid reasons for not attacking Syria however in this instance I feel the EU specifically and its leading military should be stepping up to defend Ukranian sovereignty. Its starting in a part of Europe where the last two world wars began....not being a doomsayer but I have a feeling this is going to drag in further parties.

    The US says there will be a cost, Obama doesn't even have the balls to stand up for American interests, this will be something left to the British and France I would think. However whether either would get involved remains to be seen.

    Acutally, as long as Westenr Ukraine remains off limits, there is nothing wrong in Putin taking the Russian speaking pasts, besides there are very storrong reasons why we should invade Syria...
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,967
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    Ads wrote: »
    I heard an interesting commentator on the radio a few days back saying that splitting Ukraine between the Russian and Ukranian speaking areas could be pretty disastrous for the Ukranian sector of the country, as nearly all the manufacturing and mining is found in the east - a Ukraine without the Russian speaking bits is not at all financially viable.

    Ukraine itself is not financial viable anyway, besides you cannot keep the country together unless you avoid having strong ties with either Russia or the EU, which is not economically posibble...
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Ads wrote: »
    I heard an interesting commentator on the radio a few days back saying that splitting Ukraine between the Russian and Ukranian speaking areas could be pretty disastrous for the Ukranian sector of the country, as nearly all the manufacturing and mining is found in the east - a Ukraine without the Russian speaking bits is not at all financially viable.

    If Estonia and Lithuania can survive and do quite well on their own so eventually will central and western Ukraine.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    When the Russian oligarchs are banned from the UK through sanctions on Russia I will look forward to what happens.
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    JordanT91JordanT91 Posts: 789
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    ITN Source wrote: »
    Acutally, as long as Westenr Ukraine remains off limits, there is nothing wrong in Putin taking the Russian speaking pasts, besides there are very storrong reasons why we should invade Syria...

    Of course there is something wrong with Putin taking the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine. Rightly or wrongly, Crimea is part of Ukraine. You can't just invade a sovereign country to take some land. If they want it, and the Crimean people want to belong to Russia, they should go through the proper channels. The Crimean parliament should take a vote and present the result to the Ukrainian government, and Russia should declare that they want Crimea.

    The treaty we have with the USA and Ukraine means that, by rights, we should be sending troops over there to defend Ukraine. It's a very dangerous situation because any Western force sent over there will surely lose against the Russian military who have many more resources in the area. The only way an intervention by the UK and USA could work is if we are prepared for a full on war.

    I don't want to even try to predict what's going to happen.
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