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Old 09-03-2009, 15:27
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The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.

I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product.

Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR.
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Old 09-03-2009, 16:07
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The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.

I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product.

Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR.
Tell me - how many shares exactly have you in Humax??!!!!!
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Old 09-03-2009, 16:42
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I agree, to this end I've put my house up for sale and all the proceeds will go to bob_cats pension fund to make sure he will have enough for retirement

of couse, it could be that in a commercial environment, and knowing their costs Humax have chosen a price point that enables them to cover their R&D costs (which must be reasonable as they will build on existing tech) and aim to break even over a known period of time.
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Old 09-03-2009, 17:19
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The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.

I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product.

Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR.


There's certainly evidence of this. The HDR is snapped up and out of stock as soon as the stores have them!
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Old 09-03-2009, 17:22
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what a ridiculous post, what do you hope to acheive by it,
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Old 09-03-2009, 18:29
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what a ridiculous post, what do you hope to acheive by it
Well, certainly no less than posts griping that it is too expensive.
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Old 09-03-2009, 18:44
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I think its just the antithesis of the "HDR too expensive thread".

Well no, in my opinion its not too cheap. I can see problems in making it much cheaper but equally I wouldn't have paid anymore.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:56
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Anyone who want to pay more tham the current high street price can pop over to ebay and bid as much as they like. Bound to make someones day. I seem to remember that one made £380 in January. Probably a *anker blowing his last bit of bonus.
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Old 10-03-2009, 14:19
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I agree, to this end I've put my house up for sale and all the proceeds will go to bob_cats pension fund to make sure he will have enough for retirement

of couse, it could be that in a commercial environment, and knowing their costs Humax have chosen a price point that enables them to cover their R&D costs (which must be reasonable as they will build on existing tech) and aim to break even over a known period of time.
Thank you kindly, I can't refuse such a generous offer but I will understand if not everyone follows your noble example.

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Old 11-03-2009, 11:26
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But when will other makes come to the market place so we can have some healthy competition?
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:29
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!

http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/

Now, the HDR does sound too cheap!
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:37
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!

http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/

Now, the HDR does sound too cheap!
Do you think there might be a BOGOF offer ?
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:55
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There has been other makes mentioned but as usual with freesat nothing happens.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:59
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The Metronic Freesat PVR might appear one day, and might undercut the HDR, but I doubt this...

Their Freesat STB has not come on the market undercutting any of the current equivalent Freesat STBs... (£150@Maplin or £147@CPC or £130@Comet)

And oh yeah, the potentially 'innovative' Technisat Freesat PVR might be made and released one day, but I doubt that these added innovations will make the box any cheaper than £300. Not that they've said they will make a PVR, but here's info on wotsat about their forthcoming STB. We will see how much this STB is going to cost and then estimate the cost of a possible PVR...
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Old 11-03-2009, 13:30
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!
To be fair, those prices are PVR Junction's rough'n'ready estimates:

The estimated retail price of these devices have not been released. If we take into account the markets around the world where these machines are already available; you could be looking at around as much as £700 for the DVD recorder twin tuner PVR, and over £1000 for the blu-ray versions.
And the top-spec machine will sport a BD Recorder. Such devices are expensive at the moment,. but will drop in price as time goes on and as volume production ramps up.
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Old 11-03-2009, 13:46
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It is not just about cost it's about quality and function!
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Old 11-03-2009, 14:00
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To be fair, those prices are PVR Junction's rough'n'ready estimates:
And the top-spec machine will sport a BD Recorder. Such devices are expensive at the moment,
Another estimate is £500 for the low-end model. Still expensive or competitive?

I would be extremely surprised if a plain twin tuner DVB-S2 satellite recorder* can come in at £250 or below, let alone one where they have to spend money and effort on conforming to the Freesat specs...

*Without being absolute carp, that is
but will drop in price as time goes on and as volume production ramps up.
No evidence of this happening for the STBs... How many years until 'full ramped up production'?

Admitted, prices will drop, but more people will have to join freesat. But more people will join freesat when prices drop. A vicious circle... Also, what sort of numbers of people will want to join freesat... those without Freeview, or wanting HD content (but not going for Sky) and those cancelling their Sky subs are (relatively) low...
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Old 11-03-2009, 14:42
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!

http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/
Can't see how these prices can be justified, especially as you apparently won't be able to record HD material onto the Blu Rays. A Humax HDR plus a DVD recorder will be around £400- so a £300 premium just to have separate boxes? And a Blu-Ray recorder is just a £137 addition for someone who already has a HTPC and you can write HD recordings onto it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 14:48
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It's because they will have to develop their own SoC solution!

http://www.nigelwhitfield.com/v2/article.php?id=47

If the box is a true digital twin tuner with DVD/Blu-ray recording facilities, then I would not be surprised to see they come out at those prices (due to the above reason).
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Old 11-03-2009, 14:50
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Another estimate is £500 for the low-end model. Still expensive or competitive?
Still a guesstimate perhaps?


No evidence of this happening for the STBs... How many years until 'full ramped up production'?
I was talking about barebones BD writers (which are still a niche product in the computing arena). I remember when DVD writers were £140, now they are £20
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Old 11-03-2009, 14:54
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Still a guesstimate perhaps?
Might not be too far from the actual price..? See the above post and article...

I believe there are such machines twin HD tuner boxes with DVD(/Blu-ray?) recording facilities in Japan/Australia (even the Pannys we are talking about) and they are not cheap...

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review...r-bw500/222464

Currently 2000 AUD is about 942 GBP... The plain DVD Recorder with 250GB HDD & Twin HD Tuner is just over $1000, so that is about £500: http://panasonic.com.au/products/det...?objectID=4281
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Old 11-03-2009, 15:13
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Why would anyone buy a machine with a BR recorder attached before we know what sort of proportion of programmes are going to be archivable?

I wouldn't pay £10 extra for one.
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Old 11-03-2009, 15:18
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Why would anyone buy a machine with a BR recorder attached before we know what sort of proportion of programmes are going to be archivable?
None of the HD ones that is for sure: http://whathifi.com/News/Panasonic-u...-ray-recorder/

Originally Posted by What Hi*Fi
Users can record high-definition programmes off the Freesat satellite tuner directly to the hard-disk drive - but not directly to Blu-ray disc.
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Also, some Freesat broadcast may have copy protection flags on them, so they will only record to the hard drive, and not to Blu-ray discs.
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Old 11-03-2009, 15:20
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I have been looking for a dual tuner pvr with internal dvd recorder for several years - the fact this is HD is even better.

I can see why the Japs have it but why Aussies for goodness sake

I am presuming this piece of kit will actuall record in HD quality to the dvd.

If it does why can they have it when we are told this won't be allowed in UK?
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Old 11-03-2009, 15:25
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I can see why the Japs have it but why Aussies for goodness sake
Antipodeans are more technologically advanced than you think... being situated next to Japan and Korea helps

I am presuming this piece of kit will actuall record in HD quality to the dvd.
DVD is not an HD medium. Blu-ray is...
If it does why can they have it when we are told this won't be allowed in UK?
The idea is that some BBC HD and ITV HD content is not protected, and these should be able to be recorded to the Blu-ray media. The fact that ALL of BBC HD and ITV HD carry the protection flag, escapes everyone - especially the manufacturers!!
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