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freesat+HDR too cheap
The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.
I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product. Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR. |
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The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.
I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product. Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR.
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I agree, to this end I've put my house up for sale and all the proceeds will go to bob_cats pension fund to make sure he will have enough for retirement
![]() of couse, it could be that in a commercial environment, and knowing their costs Humax have chosen a price point that enables them to cover their R&D costs (which must be reasonable as they will build on existing tech) and aim to break even over a known period of time. |
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The Foxsat HDR is too cheap. I would have paid £350.
I'm worried that Humax will not make enough money to stay in business through the recession or will not be able to afford the expensive R&D developing the next fantastic product. Also I'm worried that there will not be enough money to continue the support and firmware releases for the HDR. ![]() ![]() ![]() There's certainly evidence of this. The HDR is snapped up and out of stock as soon as the stores have them! |
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what a ridiculous post, what do you hope to acheive by it,
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what a ridiculous post, what do you hope to acheive by it
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I think its just the antithesis of the "HDR too expensive thread".
Well no, in my opinion its not too cheap. I can see problems in making it much cheaper but equally I wouldn't have paid anymore. |
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Anyone who want to pay more tham the current high street price can pop over to ebay and bid as much as they like. Bound to make someones day. I seem to remember that one made £380 in January. Probably a *anker blowing his last bit of bonus.
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I agree, to this end I've put my house up for sale and all the proceeds will go to bob_cats pension fund to make sure he will have enough for retirement
![]() of couse, it could be that in a commercial environment, and knowing their costs Humax have chosen a price point that enables them to cover their R&D costs (which must be reasonable as they will build on existing tech) and aim to break even over a known period of time. Bob |
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But when will other makes come to the market place so we can have some healthy competition?
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!
![]() ![]() ![]() http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/ Now, the HDR does sound too cheap! ![]() ![]()
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!
![]() ![]() ![]() http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/spring-...750-dmr-xs350/ Now, the HDR does sound too cheap! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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There has been other makes mentioned but as usual with freesat nothing happens.
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The Metronic Freesat PVR might appear one day, and might undercut the HDR, but I doubt this...
Their Freesat STB has not come on the market undercutting any of the current equivalent Freesat STBs... (£150@Maplin or £147@CPC or £130@Comet) And oh yeah, the potentially 'innovative' Technisat Freesat PVR might be made and released one day, but I doubt that these added innovations will make the box any cheaper than £300. Not that they've said they will make a PVR, but here's info on wotsat about their forthcoming STB. We will see how much this STB is going to cost and then estimate the cost of a possible PVR... |
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!
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The estimated retail price of these devices have not been released. If we take into account the markets around the world where these machines are already available; you could be looking at around as much as £700 for the DVD recorder twin tuner PVR, and over £1000 for the blu-ray versions.
And the top-spec machine will sport a BD Recorder. Such devices are expensive at the moment,. but will drop in price as time goes on and as volume production ramps up.
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It is not just about cost it's about quality and function!
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To be fair, those prices are PVR Junction's rough'n'ready estimates:
And the top-spec machine will sport a BD Recorder. Such devices are expensive at the moment, I would be extremely surprised if a plain twin tuner DVB-S2 satellite recorder* can come in at £250 or below, let alone one where they have to spend money and effort on conforming to the Freesat specs... *Without being absolute carp, that is ![]() Quote:
but will drop in price as time goes on and as volume production ramps up.
No evidence of this happening for the STBs... How many years until 'full ramped up production'?Admitted, prices will drop, but more people will have to join freesat. But more people will join freesat when prices drop. A vicious circle... Also, what sort of numbers of people will want to join freesat... those without Freeview, or wanting HD content (but not going for Sky) and those cancelling their Sky subs are (relatively) low... |
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Panny Freesat PVRs are coming... competitively priced between £700 and £1000!
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It's because they will have to develop their own SoC solution!
![]() http://www.nigelwhitfield.com/v2/article.php?id=47 If the box is a true digital twin tuner with DVD/Blu-ray recording facilities, then I would not be surprised to see they come out at those prices (due to the above reason). |
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Another estimate is £500 for the low-end model. Still expensive or competitive?
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No evidence of this happening for the STBs... How many years until 'full ramped up production'?
I was talking about barebones BD writers (which are still a niche product in the computing arena). I remember when DVD writers were £140, now they are £20
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Still a guesstimate perhaps?
I believe there are such machines twin HD tuner boxes with DVD(/Blu-ray?) recording facilities in Japan/Australia (even the Pannys we are talking about) and they are not cheap... http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review...r-bw500/222464 Currently 2000 AUD is about 942 GBP... The plain DVD Recorder with 250GB HDD & Twin HD Tuner is just over $1000, so that is about £500: http://panasonic.com.au/products/det...?objectID=4281 |
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Why would anyone buy a machine with a BR recorder attached before we know what sort of proportion of programmes are going to be archivable?
I wouldn't pay £10 extra for one. |
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Why would anyone buy a machine with a BR recorder attached before we know what sort of proportion of programmes are going to be archivable?
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Originally Posted by What Hi*Fi
Users can record high-definition programmes off the Freesat satellite tuner directly to the hard-disk drive - but not directly to Blu-ray disc.
... Also, some Freesat broadcast may have copy protection flags on them, so they will only record to the hard drive, and not to Blu-ray discs. ... |
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I have been looking for a dual tuner pvr with internal dvd recorder for several years - the fact this is HD is even better.
I can see why the Japs have it but why Aussies for goodness sake ![]() I am presuming this piece of kit will actuall record in HD quality to the dvd. If it does why can they have it when we are told this won't be allowed in UK? |
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I can see why the Japs have it but why Aussies for goodness sake
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I am presuming this piece of kit will actuall record in HD quality to the dvd.
DVD is not an HD medium. Blu-ray is...Quote:
If it does why can they have it when we are told this won't be allowed in UK?
The idea is that some BBC HD and ITV HD content is not protected, and these should be able to be recorded to the Blu-ray media. The fact that ALL of BBC HD and ITV HD carry the protection flag, escapes everyone - especially the manufacturers!!
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