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Old 23-03-2009, 12:51
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It's not just the way then menus nest.

It's the way it frequently does things that you don't expect and doesn't do things you do expect.

There are many examples, but amongst particularly stupid are:

1) Restarting a paused programme is you go to the guide. That is so brain dead it's untrue.

2) Refusing to obey a command because the progress bar is showing. (And extending said progress bar's tenure because you had the effrontery to to try and get the box to do something else whilst it was showing).

3) Refusing to turn subtitles on or off when watching from the buffer.

4) Switching directly from ff at any speed to rew when you press the rev button but ignoring skipping forward of backward if in ff or rew. So sometimes a motion button will take effect if another mortion is in progress and sometimes it won't.

Whether Humax would be prepared to actually pay a consultant to sort the mess out is another matter.
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Old 23-03-2009, 13:05
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It's not just the way then menus nest.

It's the way it frequently does things that you don't expect and doesn't do things you do expect.

There are many examples, but amongst particularly stupid are:

1) Restarting a paused programme is you go to the guide. That is so brain dead it's untrue.

2) Refusing to obey a command because the progress bar is showing. (And extending said progress bar's tenure because you had the effrontery to to try and get the box to do something else whilst it was showing).

3) Refusing to turn subtitles on or off when watching from the buffer.

4) Switching directly from ff at any speed to rew when you press the rev button but ignoring skipping forward of backward if in ff or rew. So sometimes a motion button will take effect if another mortion is in progress and sometimes it won't.

Whether Humax would be prepared to actually pay a consultant to sort the mess out is another matter.
Can you explain item 1, I can't reproduce this at all, pausing live TV and then pressing play resumes playback seamlessly at the pause point on my pvr.
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Old 23-03-2009, 13:12
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Can you explain item 1, I can't reproduce this at all, pausing live TV and then pressing play resumes playback seamlessly at the pause point on my pvr.
I can reproduce this.

It's not pausing and playing back LIve TV.

It's playing a recording back, pause it, and then press Guide. The recording starts playing back behind the EPG instead of still being paused.

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Old 23-03-2009, 13:14
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Can you explain item 1, I can't reproduce this at all, pausing live TV and then pressing play resumes playback seamlessly at the pause point on my pvr.
Yes.

Start a programme from the media list.

Imagine the phone rings so you press pause and the programme stops.

You answer the phone and whilst talking the person on the other end of the line tells you about a programme of which you were previously unaware.

You decide to record the programme so you press 'guide' and your paused programme starts up again ensuring that not only do you lose your place but you also can't hear the person with whom you are conversing.

Press pause and nothing happens.

What makes this (and the other bugs I mention above) so irritating is that there is just no need for them. In this case, for example, it cannot possibly be any harder for the box to just mind its own business and leave your programme paused than to be so danmdably annoying and restart it.
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Old 23-03-2009, 13:54
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Yes.

Start a programme from the media list.

Imagine the phone rings so you press pause and the programme stops.

You answer the phone and whilst talking the person on the other end of the line tells you about a programme of which you were previously unaware.

You decide to record the programme so you press 'guide' and your paused programme starts up again ensuring that not only do you lose your place but you also can't hear the person with whom you are conversing.

Press pause and nothing happens.

What makes this (and the other bugs I mention above) so irritating is that there is just no need for them. In this case, for example, it cannot possibly be any harder for the box to just mind its own business and leave your programme paused than to be so danmdably annoying and restart it.
Thanks now I understand and yes I can reproduce it.
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Old 23-03-2009, 14:45
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It's playing a recording back, pause it, and then press Guide. The recording starts playing back behind the EPG instead of still being paused.
This is one of the HDRs more annoying idiocies. However, there is an easy workaround. Instead of pressing pause, press stop. To restart, play from last position. But! There really should be no need for workarounds. It should work properly in the first place.
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Old 23-03-2009, 16:25
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A lot of things start with pressing the OK button. This gives context dependent options. Select one and, depending what it is, you may get another set of options. That's what makes it so clunky, What's missing are the "keyboard shortcuts".
Which is both logical (and exactly how Tivo works). The key is consistency for navigation up and down and getting shortcuts where they're needed.

The 'Media' list is a case in point. Ok to select a folder but then you have to go select the '..' icon at the top to go back up. Both left and 'back' should go up a level at that point.

When you have a number of programmes in a folder the only way to tell them apart is by date. Pressing select gives you Play from last played/from start/delete but still no episode info (that can only be got by pressing the i button from the screen before). Episode info should be on that screen (and, even better, on screen when a programme is highlighted in the media list). There should be a 'delete' shortcut from the media list (most keys, including say the colour keys) don't have any other function at that point.
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Old 23-03-2009, 16:30
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There should be a 'delete' shortcut from the media list (most keys, including say the colour keys) don't have any other function at that point.
Agreed, and they should use the same colour keys as Sky+ (yellow, if memory serves), so that people upgrading to Freesat feel at home with the HDR.
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Old 23-03-2009, 17:13
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The 'Media' list is a case in point. Ok to select a folder but then you have to go select the '..' icon at the top to go back up. Both left and 'back' should go up a level at that point.
'Back' does.
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Old 23-03-2009, 18:35
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I am, similarly, not optimistic about getting much improvement in the UI.

The fact that they've made such a pig's ear of it rather implies that they just don't have the UI specialist(s) they need to do the job properly.

If the 9200 is similarly bad (and assuming this fact was aired in the various forums) it shows that they either don't listen to their customers on this issue or simply don't have the expertise to do the job well.

Disappointing but it's still a good box that does the job it was intended to.
I must defend the 9200, not quite as sexy as the HDR but does the job. Guide easy to see, you can also watch the current channel in a window and delete either one file at a time and multiply select a breeze. As I've said before, some things that should have been ported to the HDR by default.

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Old 26-03-2009, 14:46
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If it helps anyone I have found a partial workaround for the inability to delete while the machine is recording, rename the file to DEL and it will be mysteriously moved up into the root folder, you can go and zap all the DEL files when your recordings have finished.
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