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Old 22-03-2009, 11:46
richard_g_uk
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I wonder how the Humax Foxsat HDR will cope with the +1 hour change next week.

As I will be away most of next weekend I am slightly concerned that the Foxsat may wake up from standby 1 hour later and miss my first scheduled recording on Sunday.

I wonder whether the coders have taken it into consideration? I remember the early firmware in my Thomson DHD4000 Freeview PVR used to adjust all your planned recordings by -1 or +1 hour when the clocks changed.

Might be best to set the Freeview PVR as a backup
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Old 22-03-2009, 19:16
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I wonder whether the coders have taken it into consideration?
Good question. Computers solve the problem by always using UTC behind the scenes and applying a local conversion. It's not so simple with forward looking services like EPGs though. On computers it's fine for times to change by an hour when DST starts/stops but TV programmes adjust so should stay constant.

Still - their DTT PVRs have no problems so presumably they have addressed it for satellite as well.
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Old 22-03-2009, 20:07
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There really isn't a problem here.

You're thinking your way to one where it doesn't exist.
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Old 22-03-2009, 22:30
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If you look at the EPG for next Sunday, you will see that the programmes are all shown an hour earlier than you would expect to see on the day. The EPG is also continuous through what would be the transition from GMT to BST.

This suggests that the STB displays according to the current timezone, which is GMT today, and are thus correct. When it gets to next Sunday, the STB will presumably display times in BST. Programmes in the EPG will then be an hour later than they are currently shown and will be correct.

Looks like its all going to work OK.
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Old 23-03-2009, 10:03
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If you look at the EPG for next Sunday, you will see that the programmes are all shown an hour earlier than you would expect to see on the day. The EPG is also continuous through what would be the transition from GMT to BST.
That suggests they are using UTC behind the scenes then. If that's what Freesat itself uses then good for it. It's the way I'd do things but for some reason I assumed that broadcasters didn't.

Presumably timers will show 'wrongly' at the moment now as well (correct WRT to the EPG but incorrect for when the item is broadcast) - the question is whether they will become 'correct' after the weekend. Sky has the opposite problem. Everything looks good until the switch over then everything waiting to be recorded shows as wrong. It doesn't break the system but usually causes a few questions from concerned users
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Old 23-03-2009, 10:07
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Set a watch / record timer for 2am in the morning. At worst it will wake up at 3am BST then realise it needs to put its clock forward an hour - assuming the broadcasters do not cock up ... again.

As a belt and braces move add an hour to the start of each timer due to fire while you are away.
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Old 24-03-2009, 22:37
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Because the whole of next weeks EPG is a whole hour out from Sunday onwards..........My series record of Law and Order seems to have been buggered up

Anyone else with series record trouble
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Old 24-03-2009, 22:42
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Possibly not just you but everyone else knows that it will all sort itself out early on Sunday morning as it has done in previous years so not worth mentioning.
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Old 25-03-2009, 09:58
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What happens on the 29 March
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Old 25-03-2009, 10:53
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Possibly not just you but everyone else knows that it will all sort itself out early on Sunday morning as it has done in previous years so not worth mentioning.
Since the Humax Freesat+ HDR has only existed for around 4 months, it could not possibly have sorted itself out in previous years !

I suggest that we all check our schedules on Sunday morning. (I'm sure it will all be fine)
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Old 25-03-2009, 11:27
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There should not be a problem will programmes set to record in the normal way, but it might be worth checking manually set timers, including those where the user has set a programme to record and then edited the schedule to record every day or every week (e.g. for programmes where Series Record is not working). In these cases, it is conceivable that for a recording set to start at (say) 1900 it will be set to start at 1900GMT and will continue to be so after the clocks change.

All other recordings should be OK because it is the programme that would have been set to record. Even if the time change is not handled properly (which I think it will be) the box should still track what it would see as a change in the schedule.
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Old 25-03-2009, 11:36
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Because the whole of next weeks EPG is a whole hour out from Sunday onwards..........My series record of Law and Order seems to have been buggered up

Anyone else with series record trouble

Ok - this was because of the rescan yesterday which mucks up ITV HD timers
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Old 25-03-2009, 13:17
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Since the Humax Freesat+ HDR has only existed for around 4 months, it could not possibly have sorted itself out in previous years !
Fair comment. But we can judge how their Freeview models have coped in precious years. Except that this is the first year that their Freeview Playback firmware will have been exercised in this way.
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Old 26-03-2009, 14:10
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What happens on the 29 March
The end of the world as we know it.

Or British Summertime begins.
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Old 26-03-2009, 14:18
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The end of the world as we know it.

Or British Summertime begins.
The first Blizzard of Summer
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Old 26-03-2009, 17:50
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I checked my photos from last year. We had heavy snow on March 23rd 2008! Yay for global warming.
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Old 29-03-2009, 12:59
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All times and schedules OK today.............
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Old 30-03-2009, 10:48
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Everything seems to have been OK, all programmes indicate correct times and the F! race recorded OK, but one problem;
My Voyage To Italy (Italian Cinema by Martin Scorsese) (03-10 BBC2), part one, (saved on series link) did not record but it did enter a time for part two which did record (Monday 01-00 BBC2).
Type of programme for which an early repeat can not be expected.
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Old 30-03-2009, 13:49
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All my repeat schedules have worked across the summertime switch without any intervention from me
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Old 30-03-2009, 14:26
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Yep all OK for me. Only problem for me was my 'radio controlled' alarm clock which didn't automatically change its time hence it failed to wake me for the start of the F1 race - fortunately the Foxsat worked fine and I could just chase-play
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Old 30-03-2009, 19:29
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... failed to wake me for the start of the F1 race - fortunately the Foxsat worked fine and I could just chase-play
Except there were no ads to catch up through!
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Old 30-03-2009, 21:46
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Um - I had a problem with the BST change. The F1 ended at 8:00 (fortunatly I was up watching it so I did not miss anything) and all the programmes in the schedule seemed to still show their GMT times so I played safe and deleted and reset them all.

I don't have my system set to 'on time' but use guard times so I wonder if that made a difference?
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Old 30-03-2009, 23:14
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Um - I had a problem with the BST change. The F1 ended at 8:00 (fortunatly I was up watching it so I did not miss anything) and all the programmes in the schedule seemed to still show their GMT times so I played safe and deleted and reset them all.

I don't have my system set to 'on time' but use guard times so I wonder if that made a difference?
I use padding as apposed to on time and mine was fine. When the schedule was showing the times in GMT did you notice whether the Foxsat had updated it's time and was displaying it in BST?
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Old 31-03-2009, 13:39
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Except there were no ads to catch up through!
(Un)fortunately F1 has lots of long boring bits so no problem catching up.
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Old 31-03-2009, 13:59
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I noticed that when I did an instant record the program finish time shown on the buffer seemed to set itself as one hour later than the time it should have finished - I am just trying to remember the program I did it on - I think it was Time team. Did anyone else get that?

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