From this week's New magazine, edition of 08/12/03, an interview with Lisa in which she discusses her modelling career, caring full-time for elderly relatives, her recent nose job, her Telly career, her fellow BB4 HMs, the hurt they inflicted on her , her eviction 'boos' , her new documentary etc.

'Last summer Lisa Jeynes left the BB house to a chorus of boos. She tells why she needed cosmetic surgery to restore her shattered confidence...

"Just as my modelling career was about to take off, I needed surgery to correct problems arising from a gymnastics accident I had when I was 13. I was left with terrible scarring, and my modelling career in tatters. Shortly after, my dad became ill and I spent three years nursing him, and the following three years mourning his death. Going into BB was a big decision -but I was desperate to do something for me.

When I got the call telling me I was going in to the house, I was instructed to stir things up. I'm a really nice person, but I'm not shy of voicing opinions -I'm 35, after all, and I 've been trhough a lot. After Justine and Federico had gone, all the viewers had left was a bunch of boring so-and-sos. I thought my honesty would make a refreshing change".

"I didn't realise how naive I'd been. As I left the house, instead of being greeted by cheers, it was boos, and people holding banners saying: 'Lisa, you're the man', 'ditch the beak' and 'witch' -all references to my nose." ...... etc, etc....'

Full article & photos available here. Scroll down the thread.

Thanks for that Eejay - she did have a nightmarish experience in the BB house -

I think of all the housemates so far,Lisa got the worst deal from endemol - they knew she would have a tough time coming in so late and they deliberately made it worse by giving her an agenda to stir things

You would think after adele and jade's treatment they would have learned their lesson but at the end of the day they don't care how people get scarred in the process as long as they get their ratings..

From my point of view it was a real eye opener to see how the 'nice' housemates could suddenly turn into bullies

Yes i will accept that at times she was annoying but then faced with living in that house with people who deliberately excluded you, would be enough to turn anyone's behaviour

I can't imagine what she must have gone through coming out to that reception - she didn't deserve it

Interesting....

Poor Lisa?
She'd been angling to be "Mrs Look AT ME!" for years and she finally got her way in BB4 - and running the tape back she came in as bolshy and pushy and "I own the place" straight off and was the cause of her reception, not just the recipient. She's a bore, talks only about herself, full stop, which is why everyone kept walking away, she bored them to tears. That coupled with her terminal immodesty and sheer wonderfulness she can moan somewhere else; if she wanted to be liked maybe being nice to start with might have helped.

P.S. Camoron still went OTT with her though, that was WAY too much.

P.P.S Dermot took pity on her and BBLB was like The Lisa Show for days and days after they chucked her out the house.

So how else are you going to get into the group maisy?

If the people you speak to ignore you, and won't reveal anything about themselves,..your options are somewhat limited.
They walked away from her whatever she said,..not because of any particular reason.
The truth came out that the consesus was, that they were treating Lisa badly, primarily because she was the new person...None of them denied this when Cameron mentioned this.

Maybe the only option left is to talk about yourself in the vain hope that maybe you can get the other person talking.
What else can she do?

She can try talking to the others about them,..but if they want to keep their mouth shut and walk away from you,..you're kind of forced to *sell yourself*.

If she just kept her mouth shut, and was very quiet,..they still would have sent her to Coventry, and the public would have complained that she was too dull and quiet...She at least tried to survive in the only way she had any hope of a chance.

And yes,..Poor lisa.
Poor anyone who experiences a particular type of stress that very few have experience of dealing with.
Yes, it's a risk they take going in there in the first place, but it's hardly a reason to refuse to see how the experience can affect somebody in a bad way. I personally can't deny myself to not feel at least something for them.

They're all *Look at me* for the most part...Most people who go into reality TV seem to want to be accepted in some way.
Some people are probably very needy,..it doesn't make them nasty people.

The way that Lisa dealt with them all in the bar that night, was something to be admired. She took them all on,..and won.
The honesty, anger and hurt in that confrontation was real.
Wheras before that point, we had to put up with the people she was in the house with, being false, and projecting a fake image of extremly nice people.

The public wanted her to stir things up. WE WANTED THAT.
The others were being boring, and acting all lovey dovey in a transparently fake manner.
So Lisa shows some spirit and honesty,..then the public suddenly change their mind and decide that she's suddenly the bad guy,..and all her tormentors are the good guys.
I blame the crappy media, and the fickle public,..Lisa was just a patsy who got punished for being accused of what we wanted her to do in the first place.

Lisa will always be one of my favourites, despite her many flaws.
It's very hard for me to take what I saw of her, and come to the conclusion that she was a bad person. I didn't see her treat anyone badly, and for me that counts for a lot in these reality TV things.

I totally agree with you Rubber woman & it's good to see that Lisa has a few friends on this Forum.

IMO, Lisa should be proud of herself. Despite only being in the BB4 House for two weeks she is one of the best remembered former HMs. She has had the last laugh at the expense of those dullards that she had to share with.

They turned on her straight away Maisy....Who else here knows what it's like when an established closed off group decide they have a problem with a newcomer?......Good for her for being true to herself despite that wall of fake saddoes not wanting to accept her in....particuarly that Cameron....the so called Christian...who clearly saw her as a threat and set about making everyone saw it his way....aided by his friends in the editing department obviously.....

You've got a point there Mes' and I consideredthat when replying.
I personally would find her annoying under any circumstanecs, same with Jade. From THIS distance it's easy to salve the tortured Lisas and Jades of this world but having lived next door to one of either it's a whole different ball game 24/7, as Lisa would say, believe me!!
I know the point though, that, even if she'd come in with Gold Frankenstein and whatever Myrhh is they'd still have gone all cliquey and shut her off. I reckon we got two things - one, they were going to be arsey anyway to who, what or whatever and two, she is a person you'd avoid like the plague in real life, anyway.
So two points, yes they didn't give her a chance, and yes, in her case, deserved as she really isn't THAT nice is she?

In some people's cases, you'd imagine after viewing them for months they might know what they were in for, in Lisa's we are talking day one...similar but different..

It was quite natural for Lisa to be shut out of a group involved in a very competitive game, where the possibility of fame and fortune were the very high stakes being played for.
Cameron, playing a very skilled and tactical game, completely turned the producer's cunning plan against them by rallying all the other HM's against Lisa, who played into his hands by being even more boring than the rest of them and a pain in the arse as well.

No wonder Cameron was the winner, he was the master of cunning.

Yes, Cameron intercepted the producer's cunning plan didn't he?
How could I forget?..well done Cameron you're a hero.

Yes, the producers did their best to make Lisa look really good,.but Cameron had the skill and initiative to sneak out and slip fiendishly into the editing suite.
Then without anybody looking,..he edited Lisa to look like an evil witch,.thus ensuring that she was eliminated from the game.

And the producers were completley helpless, and couldn't control the editing.
That must be so embarassing for the TV producers in that Cameron outwitted a team of a professional TV production crew.
They were powerless in determining what TV got transmitted,..because the Dork from Ork outwitted them with his cunning and guile.

Cameron beats Endemol at their own game,..Cameron the people's hero (and part-time video editing .wiz)..Hurrah.

In BB theres always plots and subplots going on.
Always villains and heros.
The various strata cross over and we get into a right mess discussing it sometimes!!
In the end we all have our fond personal viewpoint(s).
Mine is this, and doubtless colours what I see, saw and say!
Namely:

BB is now crap because it's ruined by Endemall's manipulation to grab more and more ££££££

Of the tens of thousands of applicants, Endemall have to put contentious "Beings" before us. These people are invariably totally repulsive in real life but good tv in "distanced-life" e.g. Jade, Lisa, etc.

Watching the likes of "toilet for a bedroom" Jade from a distance can be fun pointing a finger but we had to "Mute" the sound every time she came on as she is repellant of the motor mouth and I would do a Sunita faced with that incessant maw and have to feign death or something.

Lisa is a bore. That the others got onto her is incidental, you would no more have her round for tea than a plague of chattering rats. That she was ostracised by the "clique" shows instant discernment on their part ultimately, as her head only just fitted through the BB doors. That says nowt for the others though, they were the most singularly uninteresting bunch of bores that BB have ever served up to us, plus a right biggotted buffoon in Camoron. They really must trawl the depths to bring us detritus like this but amongst those we get gems like Jon and prosaics like Gos, the turbulent Federico and the like.
But why did they put Steph in? And Gos? And zzzzzzzzzzzz Scott?
What bores!!! I'll say that for Lisa, she WAS good TV viz stirring it.
Too little too late though.

It doesn't make any difference to Endemol who wins the game, so whatever is shown on the highlights show is based purely on it's entertainment value.
If the preferential editing mantra is wheeled out as an excuse for Cameron winning it's because Channel 4 felt that he was the most entertaining for the evening viewers...............and they were proved right because the volting public agreed with them and made him the outright winner on merit.

Agreed.
Cam and Endemall both personify BB4 - both were the nadir of reality TV, a terrible sold-out programme "won" by a very fitting candidate.
Devoid of value, worth, and fidelity.

Not so sure about that, bystander

After a few weeks have passed and they have some idea of the characters and how the HMs are perceived it would seem understandable that they ( C4 and Endemall) would start to think who they wanted to win

The winner represents the show for the next 12 months. They want someone who will keep the show in the news, preferably in a positive way. Someone who might be successful on TV would be better for them than someone who slinks off back a semi in Redditch. A complete ar*ehole wouldn't do them much good either

So they must develop some idea who they would like to win and who they don't want to win

As to why they picked Cameron, well - that's a differant argument.

I'm quoting your entire post because you've said exactly everything I would have wanted to have posted and you've put it even better than I could have

So what?
She's still a repugnant person who continued to talk only of herself afterwards on BBLB and prior to BB.
That the BB hms came to the same conclusion is one of the few things they can be given credit for.
In real life, you'd run a mile from egotistical, self-opinionated, browbeating bores like Lisa.
I am, as Lisa would say, just being honest.
When did she suddenly find she had ears as well as a mouth?
Would that be when everyone yawned listening to her? Suprised she managed to draw breath between bouts of her endless grand achievements.
She would have been just as opinionated and appaling if she'd gone in day one as well you all know, because we all know "late comers" get the bums rush in BB anyway.

Really? I liked the girl because she wasn't afraid to speak her mind. An awful lot of what you slam her for is nothing more than her overcompensating because she was obviously nervous as hell and doing her best not to show it.

Indeed. Channel 4 can slap a turd on the screen and the British public will fall for it. After all, they did it with BB3, didn't they?

Thanks Edna

Watching the BB4 DVD, I happened to see Lisa's audition video again and noted that she described herself as "very analytical and perceptive" and I remembered her sitting in the diary room talking about Stout, Steph, Ray, Scott and Nush *and being completely spot on* about their personalities. So perhaps her self-aggrandisement wasn't entirely without foundation.

I can see why you dislike Lisa, Maisy, but I personally believe that there was some substance alongside the bulls**t. The way she handled the booing rent-a-mob crowd commands great respect.

I agree with you,..she did seem to be a very good judge of character. She was correct for the most part.
She didn't know how bad Cameron was,..but we're supposed to praise Cameron for being so clever and cunning for making somebody feel like shit.

Lisa had to have some front,..there was no other way,..she could have tried to survive,.or just rolled over and conceded defeat before she even did anything.
At least she made a fight of a difficult situation.

Firstly, Lisa being “memorable” is no accolade. Lots of people, things, events are memorable but that offers no distinction of merit.
Lisa cannot blame the other HMs for “how intelligent” and “terrific” she is/was as she told us all this before she’d even met the other HMs.
As for truthful, read insulting. There’s a total difference between telling the truth and being rude and tactless, an excuse people trot out when they are indeed vulgar or abusive and make invidious comments.
When HMs go in they all know they are on a life-changing course and will be severely scrutinised. The analogy is if you volunteer to join the army prepare to be shot at, as YOU decided to, and know the likely consequences, do not bleat about hardships afterwards as it really is your own fault. In the case of the bland moronic cliquey set of dullards in BB4 I remember the “chief blanker” of Lisa was the very very boring Scott, and Lisa or anyone else would be right to have taken issue with him. With Camoron, well, we all know he just wouldn’t stop belittling her (not to her face of course!).
When Lisa came in that day it took me right back to a similar event in BB3 when Tim was introduced. I thought he was a “plant” (in more than one sense!), a producer’s son or something, he seemed as plastic as he looked. With Lisa, I did wonder if she had Endemall connections as there appeared to be no preamble, she was attuned and assimilated herself with little reserve.
I have read and sifted what you have said in her defence and considered; maybe if she had not been demonstrably blanked and instantly ostracised she would not have had to resort to the more “forceful” side of her character to defend herself. I can understand her having a go at them (Leprechaun night) (which was “memorable and worth remembering!) and if out of all this she’s achieved what she wanted, good for her.

I found it interesting that someone i respected for having the ability to sum up the housemates quite accurately - Jon tickle - obviously likes her

If she is this monster that she is portrayed as why would he defend her?

Also just because you don't like someone, does that give you the right to make their life hell - if your any sort of person you would still treat them with decency..I lost all respect for the housemates (the little i did have) after their behaviour

The bullying made great TV for endemol but at what cost - Lisa has gone to the extremes of having a potentially life threatening operation, just to fit in - to have a nose that people will notice less.. Tim has had to go abroad to start a new life, luckily Jade had immense strength of personality to triumph through the adversity and make a few bob from her original detractors but if she had been evicted at the stage when people had banners saying "kill the pig" - it could have broken her

It seems odd to me that at a time when we are actively trying to stop bullying in playgrounds and workplaces that we have a show that actively servies up bullying as entertainment

i don't see how anyone can not have some sympathy for lisa and what she had to go through

Spot on.

I found the sight of both Sophie and Lisa looking so unhappy in their respective houses to be amongst the most disturbing and upsetting things I've ever seen on TV.

How I longed for people of the calibre of Anna, Mel, Dean, Elizabeth or even Craig, who would've definitely have stepped in and put a stop to the bitching.

I note that in BB1 there was very little of this playground nastiness. When Nick's scheming was exposed, the others didn't bully him or bitch about him, they held a round table meeting and talked about it in a mature, fair and *adult* manner and the situation was resolved. Craig, Darren, Anna, Mel, Tom and Nichola all came across fantastically on that day and it remains the best ever BB moment.

However, it seems that after BB2 (with the exception of Jon), nice, decent people weren't entertaining enough.