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urbanjig
26-03-2009
Originally Posted by Lemon Dracula:
“He made two sexist remarks AND you never saw him do any work. Other than shouting into a microphone. At the shoe shining AND car washing. Don't like him already.

ETA: That beard is ridiculous.”

There were 2 seperate wide shots of him washing the top and inside of another car, though they were short glimses.

The task was clearly won by him and they edited his input out so as to make the other contestants not look so bad.

The beard you mock so much had a dual action sponge/chamois quality which he used to great effect.
batesy2000
26-03-2009
You have a go at him being sexist even though it was purely an off the cuff remark and in the same thread ridicule him for his beard. It's pathetic and two-faced of you all. I work with both make and female colleagues and such comments are made all the while. None of us are offended as there is no malice, unlike the "asian with the weird beard" comments here.
john_romario
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by batesy2000:
“You have a go at him being sexist even though it was purely an off the cuff remark and in the same thread ridicule him for his beard. It's pathetic and two-faced of you all. I work with both make and female colleagues and such comments are made all the while. None of us are offended as there is no malice, unlike the "asian with the weird beard" comments here.”

Well said, he seemed very light hearted compared to the rest
Miyagi
27-03-2009
I didn't particularly like his sense of humour, as it is different from mine, however I like the fact he was relaxed enough to enjoy the task, and entertain his team mates, rather than getting stressed/crabby like some of the other candidates on both teams!
parthena
27-03-2009
As soon as I got over the beard (and as stated, that's personal prejudice, I've been conditioned by "events" since 9/11) I really warmed to the guy and I think he'll be a strong contender.

(Which could be the kiss of death )

Going on superficialities, there appear to be a disproportionate number of Asians - but they are very business oriented so it's to be expected that The Apprentice would interest them. My ex in-laws are Asian and all the young men in the family have gone into business for themselves, they're such an enterprising and energetic lot.

parthena
bristol pixie
27-03-2009
in a team of (however many) men in a competitive business environment, I'm absolutely sure his weren't the only (joke) sexist comments. But they are the ones that were shown.

Selective editing to confirm our stereotypes of asian blokes with beards?????

I would like to think that the BBC wouldn't be so manipulative - but I'm not so sure........
Vivid
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by Eggs and Shrubs:
“I bet he really enjoyed the cocktails.

Good thinking Alan!”

Why on earth should the cocktail reward which would be appreciated by your average Brit be compromised because of some idiotic religious hang up in one of the contestants?
Miyagi
27-03-2009
Why is not drinking alcohol due to his religion idiotic or a hang up?

There is such a thing as non-alcoholic cocktails too
wishfulthinking
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by The Revolution:
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What muslim community? The asian community? The arab community? The African community? etc

Dont' just tar the whole lot with one brush. Some communities mix religion and culture toghther.”

I'm not tarring 'the whole lot' with the same brush - if you read what I said properly you'll see I stated 'unfortunately some people' and I certainly didn't include myself in that. What I was attempting to point out was that although one man is not representative of a whole section of society some people will automatically portray him as a negative stereotype.

I fail to see the need for the rolling eyes. I said the muslim community as as far as I am aware the candidate is muslim. If I had meant to refer to anything else I would have. I have family members (both white, black and asian) who are muslim and consider themslves a part of the muslim community so I don't understand why somewone would have a problem with that term.

I still thought it showed a lack of thought on his part.
bristol pixie
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“Why on earth should the cocktail reward which would be appreciated by your average Brit be compromised because of some idiotic religious hang up in one of the contestants?”

That's verging on racist!!!

And he seemed to be enjoying the performance by the cocktail shakers just as much as anyone else. drinking alchohol wasn't the whole part of this reward
bristol pixie
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“Why on earth should the cocktail reward which would be appreciated by your average Brit be compromised because of some idiotic religious hang up in one of the contestants?”

That's verging on racist!!!

And he seemed to be enjoying the performance by the cocktail shakers just as much as anyone else. drinking alchohol wasn't the whole part of this reward
Agent Krycek
27-03-2009
Originally Posted by john_romario:
“Well said, he seemed very light hearted compared to the rest”

I quite liked him, need to see more as he was a bit in the background, but interested to see how he does, definately seemed one of the most relaxed and light hearted of them.
Elan Morin
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“Why on earth should the cocktail reward which would be appreciated by your average Brit be compromised because of some idiotic religious hang up in one of the contestants?”

just because he did'nt drink the alcohol does not mean he did'nt have a good time. if you bothered to watch the clip he was seen laughing along with the other guys.

you can have a good time without resorting to alcohol to boost your low self esteem
oulandy
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by superboy:
“quit looking for an excuse to put down 'the asian guy' - i'm sure if one of the white skinned contestants or even sir alan had said that i'm sure you wouldn't have battered an eyelid”

Blimey. Would that be battered with a big stick or rolled in batter, as in battered cod and chips?
diva_moon
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by The Revolution:
“

What muslim community? The asian community? The arab community? The African community? etc

Dont' just tar the whole lot with one brush. Some communities mix religion and culture toghther.”

And don't you deliberately twisting other people's posts to get away from the valid point just because it's not on your particular soap box! The poster you were replying to here was making the point (with which I completely agree) that it always seems to be okay to make sexist comments, but even innocent comments about someone of a different skin colour bring out the accusation of "racist".

Just like slagging off Christanity seems to be national sport, whereas people are too afraid to criticise Islam .

Those bleating about people being anti-Muslim and how hard it is to be a Muslim living in Britain, you should try openly admitting to being a practicing Christian in Britain - You'd get no end of harassment! It's not pleasant and it's often very hurtful, but the one comfort I can take about it is that secular people mainly do it out of ignorance and because it's fashionable and because they are cowardly bullies and they know that Christians will not do them some mischief in retaliation.

My boss, for instance, is so narrow-minded about religion, that if you were to say "Canterbury Cathedral is a beautiful piece of gothic architecture" or marvel at the wonder of the small churches on the Greek island of Rhodes, she would shudder and say "I don't like churches" as it that somehow makes her better than me. That's real bigotry, real ignorance for you.
InMyArms
28-03-2009
I didn't like him.

I think it would be interesting if he got put into the girl's team!
mkhan19
28-03-2009
A beard cant harm anyone, its the potential actions of a bearded person that does.
Elan Morin
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“And don't you deliberately twisting other people's posts to get away from the valid point just because it's not on your particular soap box! The poster you were replying to here was making the point (with which I completely agree) that it always seems to be okay to make sexist comments, but even innocent comments about someone of a different skin colour bring out the accusation of "racist".

Just like slagging off Christanity seems to be national sport, whereas people are too afraid to criticise Islam .

Those bleating about people being anti-Muslim and how hard it is to be a Muslim living in Britain, you should try openly admitting to being a practicing Christian in Britain - You'd get no end of harassment! It's not pleasant and it's often very hurtful, but the one comfort I can take about it is that secular people mainly do it out of ignorance and because it's fashionable and because they are cowardly bullies and they know that Christians will not do them some mischief in retaliation.

My boss, for instance, is so narrow-minded about religion, that if you were to say "Canterbury Cathedral is a beautiful piece of gothic architecture" or marvel at the wonder of the small churches on the Greek island of Rhodes, she would shudder and say "I don't like churches" as it that somehow makes her better than me. That's real bigotry, real ignorance for you.”

thats your boss's problem. not the muslim walking down the street. if your boss hates christianity then take it up with her.
Sid_1979
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“Just like slagging off Christanity seems to be national sport, whereas people are too afraid to criticise Islam .”

I presume you've not read a newspaper for 7 years?

I'm not religious but even I can spot the negative bias against Islam in the press since 9/11.

So to suggest that people are afraid to criticise the Muslim faith is proposterous. It's all many people seem to do.
Candlelights
28-03-2009
Maybe the thread starter missed Mona's comment about the cars not being washed by stinky men i say hang them both
Sidespin Nid
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I presume you've not read a newspaper for 7 years?

I'm not religious but even I can spot the negative bias against Islam in the press since 9/11.

So to suggest that people are afraid to criticise the Muslim faith is proposterous. It's all many people seem to do.”


I have to say the post made absolutely no sense to me. The first paragraph was very confused and the Christian bit just seemed completely out of place and irrelevant.
Sid_1979
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“I have to say the post made absolutely no sense to me. The first paragraph was very confused and the Christian bit just seemed completely out of place and irrelevant.”

Whose post made no sense - mine or diva_moon's?
Sidespin Nid
28-03-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Whose post made no sense - mine or diva_moon's?”



diva moon's , seeing that your post has no "Christian bit"
GenuineGenius
29-03-2009
So I guess people don't trust Monty Panesar in the England side.
peely
29-03-2009
Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“And don't you deliberately twisting other people's posts to get away from the valid point just because it's not on your particular soap box! The poster you were replying to here was making the point (with which I completely agree) that it always seems to be okay to make sexist comments, but even innocent comments about someone of a different skin colour bring out the accusation of "racist".

Just like slagging off Christanity seems to be national sport, whereas people are too afraid to criticise Islam .

Those bleating about people being anti-Muslim and how hard it is to be a Muslim living in Britain, you should try openly admitting to being a practicing Christian in Britain - You'd get no end of harassment! It's not pleasant and it's often very hurtful, but the one comfort I can take about it is that secular people mainly do it out of ignorance and because it's fashionable and because they are cowardly bullies and they know that Christians will not do them some mischief in retaliation.

My boss, for instance, is so narrow-minded about religion, that if you were to say "Canterbury Cathedral is a beautiful piece of gothic architecture" or marvel at the wonder of the small churches on the Greek island of Rhodes, she would shudder and say "I don't like churches" as it that somehow makes her better than me. That's real bigotry, real ignorance for you.”

Unfortunately for you, the UK has had a long tradition of not being too concerned about religion. True, attending church on Sundays was practiced religiously (ho ho) until the last century, but it didn't filter through to the rest of cultural life, in the way it does in other religions, for example orthodox Jews, or Muslims. We Brits do pride ourselves on our ability to not take religion seriously.

I don't understand how anyone can believe in God. However, I don't knock someone who does, I'm just mildly bemused by it. Canterbury Cathedral is wonderful. My friend was married in the crypt there, which made for a very atmospheric, beautiful wedding. It is possible to be an atheist/agnostic and still appreciate some things to do with churches.

I didn't really notice much in the way of sexist remarks, probably because most of the candidates are arrogant people, who can't help shouting their mouths off and making opinionated comments.
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