Is it un-pc to say we aren't in Italy?
It's pronounced BrusKetta...
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I don't really see the pint of being snobbish and anal about the way a word is pronounced. We're not Italian so it's understandable that people pronounce it according to their own phonetics. We call a caffelatte a latte despite the two being completely different in Italy...who cares. People pronounce English words wrong as it is, if I moaned about every time I heard someone say an english word wrong (american pronunciation - argh) then we'd be here forever. Yeah you know how to say it properly, we get it.
Originally Posted by ellie1167:
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c followed by o or a is a hard 'k' (Carlo) sound but c followed by e or i is a soft 'ch' sound (ciao!!!). So the only reason the h is there is to harden the c sound....it's why the Italians spell kilometre with a 'ch' at the start as they don't have a k in their alphabet. Just because we usually mispronounce it in Britain doesn't change that fact.”
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c followed by o or a is a hard 'k' (Carlo) sound but c followed by e or i is a soft 'ch' sound (ciao!!!). So the only reason the h is there is to harden the c sound....it's why the Italians spell kilometre with a 'ch' at the start as they don't have a k in their alphabet. Just because we usually mispronounce it in Britain doesn't change that fact.”
If bruschetta is pronounced broosketta,
machete is pronounced mashetay.
There are no flawless rules in language. Spoken and even written language is shaped and massaged and bent at the whim of the common people, not kept pristine and standardised by the grammar police however much they may like to.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“If bruschetta is pronounced broosketta,
machete is pronounced mashetay.
There are no flawless rules in language. Spoken and even written language is shaped and massaged and bent at the whim of the common people, not kept pristine and standardised by the grammar police however much they may like to.”
“If bruschetta is pronounced broosketta,
machete is pronounced mashetay.
There are no flawless rules in language. Spoken and even written language is shaped and massaged and bent at the whim of the common people, not kept pristine and standardised by the grammar police however much they may like to.”
Exactly, just how we pronounce the 'h' in haute couture etc etc. If the OP really wanted to get picky about things why not say it should actually be bruschette with an 'e' on the end as I'm sure they weren't serving a single bruschetta slice
It's one of my bug bears too - I always get a smile when I pronounce it properly in Italian restaurants
Pronunciation
In Italian, bruschetta is pronounced [brusˈketta], though in English-speaking countries it is commonly pronounced as /bruːˈʃɛtə/.[1] The noun "bruschetta" is from the verb in the Roman dialect "bruscare," meaning "to roast over coals."[citation needed] Following a semantic shift, some Americans now use the word "bruschetta" to refer to the topping instead of the dish. Many grocery store chains in the United States sell bottled "bruschetta," which is typically tomatoes, onion, garlic and other herbs.
From Wikipedia!
I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.
In Italian, bruschetta is pronounced [brusˈketta], though in English-speaking countries it is commonly pronounced as /bruːˈʃɛtə/.[1] The noun "bruschetta" is from the verb in the Roman dialect "bruscare," meaning "to roast over coals."[citation needed] Following a semantic shift, some Americans now use the word "bruschetta" to refer to the topping instead of the dish. Many grocery store chains in the United States sell bottled "bruschetta," which is typically tomatoes, onion, garlic and other herbs.
From Wikipedia!
I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.
Surely this is like saying to a Frenchman they are pronouncing rosbif incorrectly.
Englishman: "It's roast beef, you nincompoop. Bif is what you do when you hit someone, and can't you hear there's a bloody T in it.'
*bif*
First Frenchman: 'Aie!'
Englishman: 'See? Beef not bif.'
[Exit Englishman]
Second Frenchman: 'Qu'est-ce-que passe?'
First Frenchman [rubbing his shoulder]: 'Je ne sais pas. Je pense qu'il n'aime pas le thé Français.'
*Gallic shrugs*
Englishman: "It's roast beef, you nincompoop. Bif is what you do when you hit someone, and can't you hear there's a bloody T in it.'
*bif*
First Frenchman: 'Aie!'
Englishman: 'See? Beef not bif.'
[Exit Englishman]
Second Frenchman: 'Qu'est-ce-que passe?'
First Frenchman [rubbing his shoulder]: 'Je ne sais pas. Je pense qu'il n'aime pas le thé Français.'
*Gallic shrugs*
Originally Posted by Esqualita:
“not Brushetta.
Oooh, that really annoys me that does!
ch in Italian is a hard sound. Grrrrrr
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“not Brushetta.
Oooh, that really annoys me that does!
ch in Italian is a hard sound. Grrrrrr
”
Ooh i didnt know this!! I'm gonna go round correcting people now...cheers OP
''its brusKETTA YOU IDIOT!!!''
Originally Posted by taps:
“Surely this is like saying to a Frenchman they are pronouncing rosbif incorrectly.
Englishman: "It's roast beef, you nincompoop. Bif is what you do when you hit someone, and can't you hear there's a bloody T in it.'
*bif*
First Frenchman: 'Aie!'
Englishman: 'See? Beef not bif.'
[Exit Englishman]
Second Frenchman: 'Qu'est-ce-que passe?'
First Frenchman [rubbing his shoulder]: 'Je ne sais pas. Je pense qu'il n'aime pas le thé Français.'
*Gallic shrugs*”
“Surely this is like saying to a Frenchman they are pronouncing rosbif incorrectly.
Englishman: "It's roast beef, you nincompoop. Bif is what you do when you hit someone, and can't you hear there's a bloody T in it.'
*bif*
First Frenchman: 'Aie!'
Englishman: 'See? Beef not bif.'
[Exit Englishman]
Second Frenchman: 'Qu'est-ce-que passe?'
First Frenchman [rubbing his shoulder]: 'Je ne sais pas. Je pense qu'il n'aime pas le thé Français.'
*Gallic shrugs*”
LOL!!!
(And i actually laughed out loud at that...not like when people just type it for the sake of it
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Originally Posted by Abriel:
“It was the way she kept saying "canopies" that got me
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“It was the way she kept saying "canopies" that got me
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oh that drove me crazy last night...grrrrr
Interscholastic anyone?????
Do we go to shool????
English is the bastard language of a thousand different roots. To know the history of a word, and its correct linguistic pronunciation should be seen as a good thing. Why do people like to revel in "accepted ignorance" .
hey ho.
And yes-Bruschette is the correct plural-but I thought that might be going a bit too far given some of the reactions on here!
Oh-and I love watching English speakers go into a cafe (caffe!) in Italy, order a latte, and receive a glass of cold milk. Mwahahahahahaha
Do we go to shool????
English is the bastard language of a thousand different roots. To know the history of a word, and its correct linguistic pronunciation should be seen as a good thing. Why do people like to revel in "accepted ignorance" .
hey ho.
And yes-Bruschette is the correct plural-but I thought that might be going a bit too far given some of the reactions on here!
Oh-and I love watching English speakers go into a cafe (caffe!) in Italy, order a latte, and receive a glass of cold milk. Mwahahahahahaha
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
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I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.”
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I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.”
It is mainly annoying when someone tries to make out he/she is knowledgeable then commits a howler which makes those who know shudder. I have lost count of BBC "experts" speaking to the camera from China delivering a shrewd and erudite report, concluding with the call sign -- this is Joe Bloggs, reporting from Bay-Shing.
Anyone who has spent 5 minutes learning Chinese will have been told it is Bay-Jing. It would be like a foreign reporter speaking with panache to camera, ".... And this is the reality of what goes on in England. This is Jose Blogas, reporting from Loondawn."
On a totally different subject,
what is the difference between Gordon Brown and a counterfeiter?
Answer:
Spoiler
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Pronunciation
In Italian, bruschetta is pronounced [brusˈketta], though in English-speaking countries it is commonly pronounced as /bruːˈʃɛtə/.[1] The noun "bruschetta" is from the verb in the Roman dialect "bruscare," meaning "to roast over coals."[citation needed] Following a semantic shift, some Americans now use the word "bruschetta" to refer to the topping instead of the dish. Many grocery store chains in the United States sell bottled "bruschetta," which is typically tomatoes, onion, garlic and other herbs.
From Wikipedia!
I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.”
“Pronunciation
In Italian, bruschetta is pronounced [brusˈketta], though in English-speaking countries it is commonly pronounced as /bruːˈʃɛtə/.[1] The noun "bruschetta" is from the verb in the Roman dialect "bruscare," meaning "to roast over coals."[citation needed] Following a semantic shift, some Americans now use the word "bruschetta" to refer to the topping instead of the dish. Many grocery store chains in the United States sell bottled "bruschetta," which is typically tomatoes, onion, garlic and other herbs.
From Wikipedia!
I used to work in an italian restaurant, and the chefs from Southern Italy found it most annying when people would pronounce the ia in ciabatta and foccacia. I learned to pronounce it the Italian way ( so as not to annoy them) focca-cha and cha-batta but I feel really stupid when I do it now.”
Never known anyone NOT pronounce ciabatta or foccacia right
I don't know what the problem is. Some people thought the 'curnape' in the show was pronounced brush-etta. Now they know it's pronounced brus-ketta. It's not hard to pronounce right. And you'll probably get better service in Italian restaurants if you do.
And yes, I always fall over on the caffe latte thing; the only time I tried to order latte macchiato in Italy things went just horribly wrong
Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRzRusXGBis about 4 minutes in
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“If bruschetta is pronounced broosketta,
machete is pronounced mashetay..”
“If bruschetta is pronounced broosketta,
machete is pronounced mashetay..”
If we're going to have the linguistic debate then it might just possibly be because they come from different languages and 'ch' in Italian is pronounced differently from 'ch' in Spanish. So that's that argument out the window...and I suspect that machete is another word we mispronounce in English as it should be a conventional English 'ch' sound rather than 'sh' but since my degree is in Italian and my Spanish never went much beyond hola then I fully expect to be corrected in that.
And as for the Pinocchio argument....by the logic being put forward if the first c makes it a 'k' sound but the 'ch' is a 'sh' sound han it wouls be 'pinokshio'....never heard that one. Again the h is there purely to harden the 'c' to a 'k' since it is followed by an 'i' and the double consonant gives a stronger sound that differentiates the pronounciation from a similar word with a single consonant.
Don't rile a Modern Languages graduate on pronounciations
Ma cherie, Pinochio is bringing his bruschette to the party. For uncharacteristic spice chorizo and champignons will be added, and the whole caboodle will be thinly sliced with a machete into Yasmin-sized portions to maximise profit.
The Marchioness of Chelmsford will be there, along with visitors from Ghent and China.....
After eating Apprentice food they are all expected to go down with cholera.
The Marchioness of Chelmsford will be there, along with visitors from Ghent and China.....
After eating Apprentice food they are all expected to go down with cholera.
You're all being ridiculous.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.
I may well say Busketa from now on as I like to pronounce things they way they should be pronounced (Wikipedia has it's uses) but what about Volkswagen?
Do we say "Volks Waagon" (English) or "Folks Vaagon" (German)?.
Maybe just VW.
Do we say "Volks Waagon" (English) or "Folks Vaagon" (German)?.
Maybe just VW.
Originally Posted by elpaw:
“You're all being ridiculous.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.”
“You're all being ridiculous.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.”
Actually, either pronunciation of bruschetta is valid according to the Merriam-Webster English dictionary (OK, it's American):
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bruschetta
It's one of those words which is new to English so it has not settled into a standardised pronunciation yet. Not sure why there has been this big debate about how having an s- before the -ch makes it more likely to be pronounced as a 'sh' when probably the most common English word with the combination of letters 'sch' is 'school' where it's pronounced as an 'sk'.
Originally Posted by elpaw:
“You're all being ridiculous.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.”
“You're all being ridiculous.
Do you say Paree or Paris? Mexico or meheeko?
Words in different languages spelled the same way can have different pronunciations.
The english pronunciation of bruschetta is brusheta.
The italian pronunciation of bruschetta is brusketta. So unless you say a whole sentence in italian, you use the english pronunciation.”
I wholeheartedly agree. Is it Tenerife pronounced Tennereef or Tennereefeh? I always used to think Bett Lynch had it wrong in Corry but when I learnt Spanish I realised she was nearer to the Spanish (correct?) pronunciation.
What is more annoying to me is when Brits can't get English words right. In particular when a 'drawing' becomes a 'draw-ring'.
Originally Posted by cookie_365:
“Never known anyone NOT pronounce ciabatta or foccacia right
I don't know what the problem is. Some people thought the 'curnape' in the show was pronounced brush-etta. Now they know it's pronounced brus-ketta. It's not hard to pronounce right. And you'll probably get better service in Italian restaurants if you do.
And yes, I always fall over on the caffe latte thing; the only time I tried to order latte macchiato in Italy things went just horribly wrong
Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRzRusXGBis about 4 minutes in”
“Never known anyone NOT pronounce ciabatta or foccacia right
I don't know what the problem is. Some people thought the 'curnape' in the show was pronounced brush-etta. Now they know it's pronounced brus-ketta. It's not hard to pronounce right. And you'll probably get better service in Italian restaurants if you do.
And yes, I always fall over on the caffe latte thing; the only time I tried to order latte macchiato in Italy things went just horribly wrong
Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRzRusXGBis about 4 minutes in
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You have never heard an english person say cheeyabatta or foccacheeyah?
I've have hardly ever heard it pronounced correctly which is why I feel silly, I get looks as if to say why are you murdering the Italian language for not pronouncing the eeyah sound which shouldn't be there!
And while we're on the subject of the long-nosed one's name.... please, oh please, Pinocchio is pronounced Pin-OCK-kio, not Pin-OH-kio. Drives me nuts, no idea why!
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