Hmm. Well Rocky was successful in running a sandwich company. Remember the South bank? He'd have been raking it in, but for the event. Definately long term profit in his version, the womens' team were useless.
Everyone missed the point tonight
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Although the girls would have won even if the organisers of the evening corporate event had refused to pay a single penny of the £750 orginally agreed as payment, I do think the girls were very lucky to have had only £250 deducted.
As the corporate party giver I would have been very concerned about what looked very cheapskate and sloppy food said about my organisation and the value I put on my clients.
I'm also a little surprised that the corporates didn't say what sort of ingredients they expected in the food. (Though it could be that they weren't allowed to.)
As the corporate party giver I would have been very concerned about what looked very cheapskate and sloppy food said about my organisation and the value I put on my clients.
I'm also a little surprised that the corporates didn't say what sort of ingredients they expected in the food. (Though it could be that they weren't allowed to.)
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“The thing is , I don't understand the fuss regarding Yasmina and the fact that she wouldn't be rehired being used as a way to say her team should've lost .”
“The thing is , I don't understand the fuss regarding Yasmina and the fact that she wouldn't be rehired being used as a way to say her team should've lost .”
Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.
What make this even more ridiculous is that, if previous series are anything to go by, we will see a task in future weeks where both teams do a fair job with no major upsets but one team make a few quid more.
Then Sugar will be lambasting the losing team over some triffle when no one turned in a worse perfomance than just about anyone last night.
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.
What make this even more ridiculous is that, if previous series are anything to go by, we will see a task in future weeks where both teams do a fair job with no major upsets but one team make a few quid more.
Then Sugar will be lambasting the losing team over some triffle when no one turned in a worse perfomance than just about anyone last night.”
“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.
What make this even more ridiculous is that, if previous series are anything to go by, we will see a task in future weeks where both teams do a fair job with no major upsets but one team make a few quid more.
Then Sugar will be lambasting the losing team over some triffle when no one turned in a worse perfomance than just about anyone last night.”
I doubt it.
I see your point , the food did looks absolutely revolting but I'm guessing ignoring a 200% profit isn't something SAS is gonna do especially since such a feat looks less likely to be achieved on this series again judging by the calibre of the contestants.
Originally Posted by Socha:
“And who can secure a costumer base... What's the use of turning a one-off tidy profit if they won't have you back next time because you are associated with poor quality?”
“And who can secure a costumer base... What's the use of turning a one-off tidy profit if they won't have you back next time because you are associated with poor quality?”
AS will be in charge of the quality of the product which the winning apprentice sells/manages, so while he might look for the ability to recognise quality, he'll be more interested in management skills than production skills.
Yasmina's team were praised for their presentation, customer service (at the event), efficiency and punctuality. The only thing they were criticised for was the quality of the food.
A good strategic win IMO.
Originally Posted by maybe:
“AS will be in charge of the quality of the product which the winning apprentice sells/manages, so while he might look for the ability to recognise quality, he'll be more interested in management skills than production skills.
Yasmina's team were praised for their presentation, customer service (at the event), efficiency and punctuality. The only thing they were criticised for was the quality of the food.
A good strategic win IMO.”
“AS will be in charge of the quality of the product which the winning apprentice sells/manages, so while he might look for the ability to recognise quality, he'll be more interested in management skills than production skills.
Yasmina's team were praised for their presentation, customer service (at the event), efficiency and punctuality. The only thing they were criticised for was the quality of the food.
A good strategic win IMO.”
True, good point maybe.
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.
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“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.
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Ooh, I like that idea.
What would have been even better would have been Siralan being the corporate client, with the food discussion being made through another manager in the company. Can you imagine what he would have said then? I can just see the girls being told 'You've lost me business with your sh1te food. Not only am I not paying you a single penny - I'm also suing you for lost future profits'.
Or if Siralan had been a guest at the events. Siralan to host - 'If you think my business is only worth this sort of sh1te - I'm out.(
) And whatever you're paying the caterers is about a thousand quid too much.'
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.”
“Her team should not have lost instead of the boy's team but Siralan should have pointed out to them that they were lucky to make what they did, their performance was utter sh1te and he wasn't awarding a treat that week.”
In fact, there was a similar incident of this in Series 2. It was the first week, the girls won, but SAS really didn't like their approach (he thought they were selling themselves or using sex as a tool when selling fruit), and was not going to dish out any rewards that first week, but after arguing with one of the girls, Jo I think, he reconsidered and gave them the reward. But at least he acknowledged what went wrong despite them winning. It seems like he doesn't give damn anymore.
Originally Posted by Moloko:
“In fact, there was a similar incident of this in Series 2. It was the first week, the girls won, but SAS really didn't like their approach (he thought they were selling themselves or using sex as a tool when selling fruit), and was not going to dish out any rewards that first week, but after arguing with one of the girls, Jo I think, he reconsidered and gave them the reward. But at least he acknowledged what went wrong despite them winning. It seems like he doesn't give damn anymore.”
“In fact, there was a similar incident of this in Series 2. It was the first week, the girls won, but SAS really didn't like their approach (he thought they were selling themselves or using sex as a tool when selling fruit), and was not going to dish out any rewards that first week, but after arguing with one of the girls, Jo I think, he reconsidered and gave them the reward. But at least he acknowledged what went wrong despite them winning. It seems like he doesn't give damn anymore.”
That was a different situation. He said that the girls used their sexuality to get an unfair advantage over the guys and he rightfully reprimanded them for it whereas no incident of a similar nature occured here.
In previous series there have been tasks where future buisness prospects were relevant - remember the one where teams were selling ice cream for small producers not in the London market yet?
As I recall, one candidate got a deal by offering a period of exclusivity and either was, or nearly was fired as a direct result.
Bottom line is the teams can only concentrate on the ground rules as given to them for each individual task. If Suralan wants to get it closer to reality, they need to spell that out. But why bother? For the purposes of TV entertainment the more we have to tut and shake our heads about, the better.
If the only criteria of sucess this week was the profit, Yasmina did a stonking job.
As I recall, one candidate got a deal by offering a period of exclusivity and either was, or nearly was fired as a direct result.
Bottom line is the teams can only concentrate on the ground rules as given to them for each individual task. If Suralan wants to get it closer to reality, they need to spell that out. But why bother? For the purposes of TV entertainment the more we have to tut and shake our heads about, the better.
If the only criteria of sucess this week was the profit, Yasmina did a stonking job.
It's this sole focus on making profit that makes The Apprentice unrealistic.
In the real world, a catering business would seek to secure clients for future event and rely on word-of-mouth to get new deals.
The quality of Yasmina's food was shocking. There's no way her team would be hired again or recommended to anyone else. Her business wouldn't last two minutes.
In the real world, a catering business would seek to secure clients for future event and rely on word-of-mouth to get new deals.
The quality of Yasmina's food was shocking. There's no way her team would be hired again or recommended to anyone else. Her business wouldn't last two minutes.
Originally Posted by starsailor:
“Yes and no. Although the point was to keep costs down and make a profit. They both got money deducted for being crap and having crap food.
Even the girls got deducted what £200 or so? They could have spent that on better food. £200 extra costs, £200 extra income. Same profit but better job. Spend £100 extra on food, and you make £100 extra if no money was deducted.”
“Yes and no. Although the point was to keep costs down and make a profit. They both got money deducted for being crap and having crap food.
Even the girls got deducted what £200 or so? They could have spent that on better food. £200 extra costs, £200 extra income. Same profit but better job. Spend £100 extra on food, and you make £100 extra if no money was deducted.”
The problem there is that the £250 deduction could have been due to the hair in one of the sandwiches, a lack of chicken in another and perhaps other things we didn't see, which were due to the teams' lack of catering experience rather than Yasmina's management. None of these problems could have been sorted with more expensive food, so they could still have lost £250 of their fee and turned in a smaller profit due to higher expenses.
It is a bit of a problem with the show that they must perform their tasks in such a contrived environment where long-term factors such as customer satisfaction - a key to any business - is irrelevant. However, for the task they had to perform, I think Yasmina did very well.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“It's this sole focus on making profit that makes The Apprentice unrealistic.
In the real world, a catering business would seek to secure clients for future event and rely on word-of-mouth to get new deals.
The quality of Yasmina's food was shocking. There's no way her team would be hired again or recommended to anyone else. Her business wouldn't last two minutes.”
“It's this sole focus on making profit that makes The Apprentice unrealistic.
In the real world, a catering business would seek to secure clients for future event and rely on word-of-mouth to get new deals.
The quality of Yasmina's food was shocking. There's no way her team would be hired again or recommended to anyone else. Her business wouldn't last two minutes.”
The Apprentice unrealistic? Never...
Come on. It's a TV show, little more than entertainment. Perhaps people need to stop taking it too seriously and enjoy it (or not) for what it is.
Originally Posted by maybe:
“AS will be in charge of the quality of the product which the winning apprentice sells/manages, so while he might look for the ability to recognise quality, he'll be more interested in management skills than production skills.”
“AS will be in charge of the quality of the product which the winning apprentice sells/manages, so while he might look for the ability to recognise quality, he'll be more interested in management skills than production skills.”
In my experience of AMSTRAD products, Suralan has never been too concerned about the quality of the product. Selling to the mass market in bulk at a low price with a decent profit margin is what impresses him.
He probably doesn't care that I will never buy another Amstrad printer, PC, telephone, Skybox or sandwich, ever again. There's several more born every minute that he can sell to.
Originally Posted by Magic8Ball:
“In my experience of AMSTRAD products, Suralan has never been too concerned about the quality of the product. Selling to the mass market in bulk at a low price with a decent profit margin is what impresses him.
He probably doesn't care that I will never buy another Amstrad printer, PC, telephone, Skybox or sandwich, ever again. There's several more born every minute that he can sell to.”
“In my experience of AMSTRAD products, Suralan has never been too concerned about the quality of the product. Selling to the mass market in bulk at a low price with a decent profit margin is what impresses him.
He probably doesn't care that I will never buy another Amstrad printer, PC, telephone, Skybox or sandwich, ever again. There's several more born every minute that he can sell to.”
Very true.
Didn't Tim (Series 1) end up flogging some awful beauty product or something for Suralan
I agree, she did what she had to do with the task in hand. I think it was more the fact that she didn't acknowledge this more blatently to the team - maybe she did and we didn't see. It was as if she thought that was acceptable catering, and it just wasn't.
Originally Posted by seanvice:
“In fact tonight Yasmina was one of the best, if not THE best project managers ever in the Apprentice history. She was everything a project manager should be on this show.”
“In fact tonight Yasmina was one of the best, if not THE best project managers ever in the Apprentice history. She was everything a project manager should be on this show.”
Making and selling sandwiches is not Project Management. Its an insult to highly qualified and experienced genuine project managers
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“The Apprentice unrealistic? Never...
Come on. It's a TV show, little more than entertainment. Perhaps people need to stop taking it too seriously and enjoy it (or not) for what it is.”
“The Apprentice unrealistic? Never...
Come on. It's a TV show, little more than entertainment. Perhaps people need to stop taking it too seriously and enjoy it (or not) for what it is.”
Oh I accept that! It's just another reality show for most of us to get our teeth into.
Maybe I was pointing out the obvious
They discussed the evening catering figures but were the lunch time sandwiches taken into account?
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Oh I accept that! It's just another reality show for most of us to get our teeth into.
Maybe I was pointing out the obvious”
“Oh I accept that! It's just another reality show for most of us to get our teeth into.
Maybe I was pointing out the obvious
”
I also accept that it is a reality/game show, but a nod towards better business practice would be appreciated.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“They discussed the evening catering figures but were the lunch time sandwiches taken into account?
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank”
“They discussed the evening catering figures but were the lunch time sandwiches taken into account?
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank”
Glad you asked that question, I am assuming they were. Can't see them shifting many peanut butter sandwiches, the Americans always do peanut butter & jelly (jam to us), peanut butter on it's own, a real glue fest.
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“In business it's all about repeat custom. I doubt if Yasmina's clients would have rehired her after that night, therefore although they won the task they lose in the long term, she would soon run out of new customers.
That is the one flaw in the Apprentice, the win at any cost mentality doesn't help, should be a two part contest, one who makes profits, and who would be asked back by the client, at least it would make the teams think.”
“In business it's all about repeat custom. I doubt if Yasmina's clients would have rehired her after that night, therefore although they won the task they lose in the long term, she would soon run out of new customers.
That is the one flaw in the Apprentice, the win at any cost mentality doesn't help, should be a two part contest, one who makes profits, and who would be asked back by the client, at least it would make the teams think.”
True and in the show it was entirely arbitary how much was taken off for poor service and shockingly bad food. Its luck that they didn't pay her for what they got rather than deduct from what they had agreed. She had the right idea from week one about minimalising costs but she missed this week's idea that you needed to tailor the quality to the market as well. She also sent people out to sell the food with no idea what it was. She got the basic point for a low 2.1 but didn't get near a first class job.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“They discussed the evening catering figures but were the lunch time sandwiches taken into account?
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank”
“They discussed the evening catering figures but were the lunch time sandwiches taken into account?
The men didn't get a contract but they seemed to be shiftingloads on the South bank”
they turned up in the totals with no breakdown and not enough comment I think.
So if I had served up smash potato on a plate and kept my costs down to nothing I would have won. Isn't that called conning people? The task was about catering to well heeled city people. Has anyone seen a catering firm in action in this type of venue.
At least the guys tried to rise to the occasion whereas getting the cheapest frozen chicken crap and passing it off as Mediterranean, well.
At least the guys tried to rise to the occasion whereas getting the cheapest frozen chicken crap and passing it off as Mediterranean, well.
Originally Posted by Cherie Flair:
“So if I had served up smash potato on a plate and kept my costs down to nothing I would have won. Isn't that called conning people? The task was about catering to well heeled city people. Has anyone seen a catering firm in action in this type of venue.
At least the guys tried to rise to the occasion whereas getting the cheapest frozen chicken crap and passing it off as Mediterranean, well.”
“So if I had served up smash potato on a plate and kept my costs down to nothing I would have won. Isn't that called conning people? The task was about catering to well heeled city people. Has anyone seen a catering firm in action in this type of venue.
At least the guys tried to rise to the occasion whereas getting the cheapest frozen chicken crap and passing it off as Mediterranean, well.”
The males though were arguably worse. Their food was abysmal too and they made the fatal error on top of having the 2012 theme which was silly and the toga outfits which were more suited for an 18-30 cabaret than a posh reception. Given the choice between a hair in the food and a hairy spotty group of waiters in sheets, i would risk the hair in the food. To make it worse still they spent even more money they didn't have on the theme and outfits making it even more impossible to turn in a profit.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The males though were arguably worse. Their food was abysmal too and they made the fatal error on top of having the 2012 theme which was silly and the toga outfits which were more suited for an 18-30 cabaret than a posh reception. Given the choice between a hair in the food and a hairy spotty group of waiters in sheets, i would risk the hair in the food. To make it worse still they spent even more money they didn't have on the theme and outfits making it even more impossible to turn in a profit.”
“The males though were arguably worse. Their food was abysmal too and they made the fatal error on top of having the 2012 theme which was silly and the toga outfits which were more suited for an 18-30 cabaret than a posh reception. Given the choice between a hair in the food and a hairy spotty group of waiters in sheets, i would risk the hair in the food. To make it worse still they spent even more money they didn't have on the theme and outfits making it even more impossible to turn in a profit.”
Yep point taken, I would not have ate either and poisoned the plants
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