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Vincent&Kristina new couple?.
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lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“What about it? Susan's the one responsible for making a mess of her own reputation here. She could've stayed quiet and been the victim.”

My god! ..........yes she could have stayed quiet and protected him you would have liked that Vincent is a liar and a cheat,and had an affair with a woman behind his pregnant girlfriend's back....he is WRONG just admit it!
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Okay, you have SERIOUS problems.

Can you ACTUALLY point out ANY POST where somebody has tried to make Vincent look better before you start attacking people?

Saying that Susan looks bad has nothing to do with Vincent.”

Come on you are trying everything to make exuses for him And please do not start making personal insults again ...i do not have any serious problems.....i just feel making Susan look bad after what V&K have done awfull.A pregnant woman has been cheated on.
katie_p
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by carol north:
“Cannot believe what I have read here that in 2009 Susan should have stayed quite and been the victim.”

Why? Does it make anything better if she allows the whole sorry story to be published? If the whole sorry tale is true (and it sounds like the essence of it is, but for the details we've only heard Susan's side), then she is the second biggest victim here, after the poor baby. But does that excuse taking advantage of V&K's fame in order to get back at them publicly over a private problem? If it was me I would prefer to keep a dignified silence.

ON a side note, I couldn't believe that in 2009 I was reading this:
Quote:
“They had talked about having children and, although they had agreed to wait a while, they were not taking any precautions.”

... duh!
carol north
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Why? Does it make anything better if she allows the whole sorry story to be published? If the whole sorry tale is true (and it sounds like the essence of it is, but for the details we've only heard Susan's side), then she is the second biggest victim here, after the poor baby. But does that excuse taking advantage of V&K's fame in order to get back at them publicly over a private problem? If it was me I would prefer to keep a dignified silence.

ON a side note, I couldn't believe that in 2009 I was reading this:... duh!”

I never said it made anything better by giving the story to the papers however after being humiliated by the article last week that V had dumped her for K I expect she just felt like speaking out and I just did not like the word Victim.
Orin
12-04-2009
Funny how all the ones who gave Flavia such grief (when she didn't even cheat) are now trying to defend Vincent.

Maybe we a seeing some of the crap Flavia had to put up with and his ego.

What a douche to not only cheat but on the woman carrying his child. Plus using no protection?

And if Vincent isn't like this, well he put the "lady lover" persona out there are it will now b!tch slap him.

You would think after last year and the press he would learn.
Psychosis
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Come on you are trying everything to make exuses for him And please do not start making personal insults again ...i do not have any serious problems.....i just feel making Susan look bad after what V&K have done awfull.A pregnant woman has been cheated on.”

Okay. Read the post you quoted of mine again, and tell me what exactly this excuse is and quote me where in that post I stated this excuse. You're jumping down people's throats when they havent' done anything wrong.

A pregnant woman has been cheated on. Being pregnant doesn't absolve her of the negative flaws in her character. Babies are not magic. They don't make their host bodies perfect all of a sudden.


Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“My god! ..........yes she could have stayed quiet and protected him you would have liked that Vincent is a liar and a cheat,and had an affair with a woman behind his pregnant girlfriend's back....he is WRONG just admit it!”

In which universe is it possible to protect somebody by saying nothing? To protect somebody you have to actively deny it. And I never asked for that - but again, I'd like you to quote where I did, because otherwise you're making things up out of thin air.

As for "he is wrong, just admit it", I direct you to the following posts:

Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“I'm playing devil's advocate here, as I don't think anybody came out of this well ...”

Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“prick.”

Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Okay I agree. I have no sympathy for either of them. [Vincent & Kristina]”

Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“By the way, me being a Vincent fan has nothing to do with it. I have no sympathy for him in this.”

Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“I never think "he made a mistake, he's only a human" when someone cheats, because human beings can actually have self control and choose not to cheat.”


There are plenty more where they came from. Would you like to apologise now for making assumptions about me and needlessly attacking me? BY the way, you responded to half of those posts I've just quoted, so you either chose to ignore them and call me a liar, or you didn't read properly.

And finally, she doesn't have a job that requires her to have any public persona. It doesn't matter to her life if she stays quiet. She's not a celebrity, she doesn't require any public perception, and even so the perception is that she is the victim. The only reason she did that interview was to be vindictive and get back at him and especially Kristina publically, and that is why I have no sympathy for her either. The high ground was hers to take, and she chose not to take it.
SideshowStu
12-04-2009
Keeping a dignified silence after discovering my partner had cheated on me while I was pregnant would escape me altogether I'm afraid. I'm very impressed with those who say they could though...Very understanding
tricksy80
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Alleged incident.... my god Susan has said herself he came home and told her himself,hardly alleged.It is Kristina on the fb i have spoken to her on there myself.”

I'm just saying that stuff has been written in the papers before from a spouse claiming to be true and turned out not to be. It's quite probably true.

Does she speak like she posts here? I'm curious now, it could still be here that posts here, I have no proof either way.

I have to ask....are you Susan? Or a close friend or family? You really know too much about this whole situation to be just a forum member
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by tricksy80:
“I'm just saying that stuff has been written in the papers before from a spouse claiming to be true and turned out not to be. It's quite probably true.

Does she speak like she posts here? I'm curious now, it could still be here that posts here, I have no proof either way.

I have to ask....are you Susan? Or a close friend or family? You really know too much about this whole situation to be just a forum member”

Oh yes thats right Vincent claimed Flavia cheated if i recall and that was not true.

No for the record i am not a close friend or family of Susan,and if i was i would say so even though i dont see why that matters. Why the accusations again,just because i know a lot about the situation....i have lurked here for years and am a fan of the show and you seem to know just as much as i do are you Vincents friend or family member.
tricksy80
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Oh yes thats right Vincent claimed Flavia cheated if i recall and that was not true.

No for the record i am not a close friend or family of Susan,and if i was i would say so even though i dont see why that matters. Why the accusations again,just because i know a lot about the situation....i have lurked here for years and am a fan of the show and you seem to know just as much as i do are you Vincents friend or family member.”

So there you go then, not true....

I know nothing, not even which shows Susan attended like you do, and I watched all of Strictly this year.
katie_p
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by SideshowStu:
“Keeping a dignified silence after discovering my partner had cheated on me while I was pregnant would escape me altogether I'm afraid. I'm very impressed with those who say they could though...Very understanding ”

When I said I would stay quiet, I didn't mean it was because I would be understanding, it's because to go public would leave me feeling and looking quite petty. As someone else said, she didn't need to go public because the sympathy was largely on her side anyway from the existing coverage.

I'm not sure I ever commented on the V&F situation, but I had the same feeling about Vincent going public.
tricksy80
12-04-2009
This answers our question about Kristina posting, this was on her facebook

Quote:
“I know some people have been wondering if it is me or my manager who posts on my sites. This blog, my myspace, my Facebook are mine. The forums are me and I answer my emails. This is something I want to do myself as a way to show you how much your support means to me and to reply to you myself. Sarah does help me with my YouTube because I need help uploading the videos. But the videos I made during the show and on the tour I made to thank all of you. Sarah also runs the two Facebook pages for the Grand Adventure and the Salsa Seminar because she's organizing those events for Brian and me. Alan and Dannii, two lovely people I met during the tour, have created and run my official fansite.

Everyone who has supported me is very important to me. It is because of all of you that my journey in the UK has been so special. I didn't know what to expect when I came over here as a new pro on the show and I was a little nervous about how people would react. But everyone has been so warm and so welcoming. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for that. I hope this helps everyone to know how much I appreciate all of you. Thank you so much for continuing to support me,

-Kristina”

and I have to say...looks perfect English unlike her 'texts' to Susan
strictlyfloss
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by tricksy80:
“
I have to ask....are you Susan? Or a close friend or family? You really know too much about this whole situation to be just a forum member”


Well said tricksy, I was just about to ask the same question myself!

Especially as this thread was started by lemonnlime in the first place......
Psychosis
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Oh yes thats right Vincent claimed Flavia cheated if i recall and that was not true.

No for the record i am not a close friend or family of Susan,and if i was i would say so even though i dont see why that matters. Why the accusations again,just because i know a lot about the situation....i have lurked here for years and am a fan of the show and you seem to know just as much as i do are you Vincents friend or family member.”

No apology then?


Originally Posted by katie_p:
“When I said I would stay quiet, I didn't mean it was because I would be understanding, it's because to go public would leave me feeling and looking quite petty. As someone else said, she didn't need to go public because the sympathy was largely on her side anyway from the existing coverage.

I'm not sure I ever commented on the V&F situation, but I had the same feeling about Vincent going public.”

Precisely. It's not in my character to think that making my problems public will help. The more people know about my problems, the worse I tend to feel. Like making myself a public idiot rather than private one (not calling Susan an idiot). In this case, given that the public already felt sorry for her, the only reason she had for going public was to get back at him - which is not a character trait I particularly support.
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by tricksy80:
“So there you go then, not true....

I know nothing, not even which shows Susan attended like you do, and I watched all of Strictly this year.”

Really you know nothing?,well guess im more observant than you then,my memory serves me well .
tricksy80
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Really you know nothing?,well guess im more observant than you then,my memory serves me well .”

Umm I'm confused...do I know something? I really don't think I do.
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by strictlyfloss:
“Well said tricksy, I was just about to ask the same question myself!

Especially as this thread was started by lemonnlime in the first place......”

I have answered this........what is the point of that question anyway .
tricksy80
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“I have answered this........what is the point of that question anyway .”

Because I genuinely thought it. Wasn't being stupid I really did think you were Susan or someone related to her in some way. If you're not then you shouldn't be worried by it.
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by tricksy80:
“Umm I'm confused...do I know something? I really don't think I do.”

Ok i couldnt care what you know.....you seem to care what i know and who i know though why it matters to you well i dont know
lemonnlime09
12-04-2009
Phycosis.....an apology are you serious,i wont let you force me into thinking i was wrong,i have sympathy for Susan maybe you dont fair enough......who knows whatever! .
Psychosis
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by lemonnlime09:
“Phycosis.....an apology are you serious,i wont let you force me into thinking i was wrong,i have sympathy for Susan maybe you dont fair enough......who knows whatever! .”

What?

You stated that I'm making excuses for Vincent.

I quoted posts that proved you wrong. Are you saying that those posts don't exist?
katie_p
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by tricksy80:
“This answers our question about Kristina posting, this was on her facebook



and I have to say...looks perfect English unlike her 'texts' to Susan”

I guess Kristina has read this thread then

I feel very uncomfortable about some of the things that have been said on here, in particular knowing that she has probably read some of them. Yes that article does paint her in a pretty bad light, but we have no idea what is true and what isn't. And whatever happened there are probably things on her side which we have no idea about, but to date she has kept a dignified silence rather than aggravating the situation.

I would never condone what was described in the Mail article, but it isn't up to me to approve or disapprove of someone's behaviour when I've never even met them, or when all I know about the situation comes from someone who is quite naturally going to have a very one-sided view of it.

So in spite of the story I hope everything can be resolved privately, and Vincent and Kristina can still return to SCD7 to do what they do best.
Psychosis
12-04-2009
I'll be so angry if Vincent and Kristina aren't invited back to SCD because of this. I don't know exactly who or what I'd be angry at, but it'd be a tragedy.

I hope if Kristina is reading this she knows that most people are open minded enough not to just believe every word that Susan says. I hope she keeps her silence. If she does, honestly, I'd be more inclined to feel for her than Susan. From what her friends/the solictor said, she seems to have been quite caught off guard by this too. It's possible that neither woman consciously did anything wrong initially.

Who knows what actually happened.. I just wish it wasn't public.
katie_p
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Who knows what actually happened.. I just wish it wasn't public.”

Definitely.
tricksy80
12-04-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“I'll be so angry if Vincent and Kristina aren't invited back to SCD because of this. I don't know exactly who or what I'd be angry at, but it'd be a tragedy.

I hope if Kristina is reading this she knows that most people are open minded enough not to just believe every word that Susan says. I hope she keeps her silence. If she does, honestly, I'd be more inclined to feel for her than Susan. From what her friends/the solictor said, she seems to have been quite caught off guard by this too. It's possible that neither woman consciously did anything wrong initially.

Who knows what actually happened.. I just wish it wasn't public.”

My sentiments exactly, there is more than one side to this story, and we only have one of them. This is the point i've been unsuccessfully making.
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