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Old 16-04-2009, 10:19
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Nice to see Homecinemachoice haven't used the Humax HDR at all based on this statement:-

<snip>"One of the more surprising aspects of the Freesat HD implementation is a customized EPG, which makes recording easier than we’ve seen on the rival Humax Freesat HD PVR. <snip>

Which is exactly what the Humax does!
Yes I noticed this and I also wondered how they came to make the claim that the epg was better than the foxsat. The screen shot of the epg appears to be almost identical to their freesat TV and if you've tried navigating one of these you'll understand how poor it is for example the Genre guide cannot be disabled and once you land on the channel you require the only way to advance through the programmes is either one step/programme at a time or by 24 hours. Where as the humaxHDR at least lets you shift the epg by 2 hour chunks.
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Old 16-04-2009, 11:45
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Is there actually any guarantee that this Blu Ray recorder will be "allowed" to record live or HDD recorded HD material? I thought that you could not record off air HD programmes in HD but then I must be wrong.
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Old 16-04-2009, 12:08
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Is there actually any guarantee that this Blu Ray recorder will be "allowed" to record live or HDD recorded HD material? I thought that you could not record off air HD programmes in HD but then I must be wrong.
Post #15 should answer your question.
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Old 16-04-2009, 13:31
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Post #15 should answer your question.
I hadn't really cottoned on to this. I presume the way this will work is that the Panasonic will create a copy protected HD file on the Blu Ray disc in the same way in which the Humax creates it on the hard disk? Does that mean the disc will not be playable on other Blu Ray drives as is the case with HD files on the Humax?
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Old 16-04-2009, 13:48
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Good point, takes a hell of a lot of the appeal away if you can only play it back on the system you recorded it on.
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Old 16-04-2009, 13:54
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Good point, takes a hell of a lot of the appeal away if you can only play it back on the system you recorded it on.
But haven't we established that copy protected files from the Humax can be played on other HDRs? So perhaps that would apply to the Panasonic and you could play on any Panasonic Blu Ray, or any Blu Ray player that supports that copy protection system?
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Old 16-04-2009, 14:48
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But haven't we established that copy protected files from the Humax can be played on other HDRs? So perhaps that would apply to the Panasonic and you could play on any Panasonic Blu Ray, or any Blu Ray player that supports that copy protection system?

Yes if you can get them onto usb they can be uploaded to another hdr and played.
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Old 16-04-2009, 17:40
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Yes if you can get them onto usb they can be uploaded to another hdr and played.
So in theory, if there was another STB that supported the same copy protection system as the HDR they might also work on there? Do we know what the copy protection system is that the Panasonic blu-ray will use and whether all blu-ray players and drives support it?
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Old 16-04-2009, 17:51
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I know that a non-encrypted recording has been played on two different foxsats, but has anyone tried an encrypted recording?

If an encrypted recording works on two different boxes then that implies that the encryption key or algorithm used to derive the key is common to all boxes.
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Old 16-04-2009, 18:28
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I know that a non-encrypted recording has been played on two different foxsats, but has anyone tried an encrypted recording?

If an encrypted recording works on two different boxes then that implies that the encryption key or algorithm used to derive the key is common to all boxes.
I believe it's a dedicated chip. I will upload a 30 sec clip tommorow and post for somebody to try it out.
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