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Old 17-04-2009, 10:05
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I noticed that, most peculiar. May be that what ever they did to the stb happened at different times or at different times on different transmitters
Recorded Narnia Code in HD last night, no red X.

Transferred to USB disk successfully, red X on USB disk file. Deleted HDR file, copied USB back to HDR successfully, red X on HDR file. Deleted USB file, tried to re-copy back to USB - not allowed, as found by previous posters. (I know GC, but I had to confirm for myself )
...........but apparently you can use the box while transferring.
I found that I could not perform any box actions whilst transferring. Any attempt brought up the black circle with diagonal bar icon.

Interesting that GT & I have different copy flag on "All the Small Things", maybe, as he says, it depended when the box updated for the "unknown" changes the other day, which may have been related to enabling this new facility on the BBC HD channel.

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Old 17-04-2009, 10:35
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...........but apparently you can use the box while transferring.
I found that I could not perform any box actions whilst transferring. Any attempt brought up the black circle with diagonal bar icon.



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Where did you get your quote from? I've just reread the thread twice and can't find the original. You made it up didn't you?
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Old 17-04-2009, 10:45
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Where did you get your quote from? I've just reread the thread twice and can't find the original. You made it up didn't you?
He he, you need stronger glasses
Post #16 from Graham Thompson.
But he did say "apparently", so presumably he got this from somewhere else.

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Old 17-04-2009, 10:58
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He he, you need stronger glasses
Post #16 from Graham Thompson.
But he did say "apparently", so presumably he got this from somewhere else.

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What an Oaf I am, it's obviously too early in the day for me

But on topic yes your right the box doesn't operate 'otherwise' whilst transfering
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Old 17-04-2009, 11:05
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He he, you need stronger glasses
Post #16 from Graham Thompson.
But he did say "apparently", so presumably he got this from somewhere else.

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I read it somewhere but never tried it. It was obviously wrong. I will see if i can find the post
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Old 17-04-2009, 12:04
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Something I forgot to report in my post #26.

On the file that I archived, and then returned to the HDR, the thumbnails which were present on the original are now missing, everything else looks OK and plays normally, with the correct prog name showing in the front display.

It will be interesting to see if these are recreated in the overnight process.

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Old 17-04-2009, 12:49
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I read it somewhere but never tried it. It was obviously wrong. I will see if i can find the post
http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showp...6&postcount=30

Try setting a recording (or even 2) to start during a long transfer.

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Old 17-04-2009, 13:01
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http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showp...6&postcount=30

Try setting a recording (or even 2) to start during a long transfer.
Just tried an instant record, during a transfer, and it won't allow it. The only thing it appears to allow is to press "Stop" to stop the Copy File.

I can see how it might respond to one of its own internal Timers, as that doesn't require User Interaction.

I've got to go out now, so can't test that scenario until much later.

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Old 17-04-2009, 23:52
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On the file that I archived, and then returned to the HDR, the thumbnails which were present on the original are now missing,
Slightly off on a tangent for this thread I suppose but is there anyone else out there with an HDR that has never seen any thumbnails generated at all for any recordings?

The first box I had only ever showed one set of thumbnails and that was the first recording I ever did with it (Duffy Sessions on BBC HD). After that, it never generated any thumbnails for any recordings I did after that. Doesn't look like this new box I have just got today is going to either...

Is there something I've inadvertently turned off or something?
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Old 17-04-2009, 23:58
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Slightly off on a tangent for this thread I suppose but is there anyone else out there with an HDR that has never seen any thumbnails generated at all for any recordings?

The first box I had only ever showed one set of thumbnails and that was the first recording I ever did with it (Duffy Sessions on BBC HD). After that, it never generated any thumbnails for any recordings I did after that. Doesn't look like this new box I have just got today is going to either...

Is there something I've inadvertently turned off or something?
No, that's unusual, I always have thumbnails after the overnight process.

Do you turn it off completely when you retire for the night?

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Old 18-04-2009, 01:03
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No, that's unusual, I always have thumbnails after the overnight process.

Do you turn it off completely when you retire for the night?

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No, our box never gets turned off. It doesn't even go to Standby (because I have it set that way).

What "overnight process" do you mean?
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Old 18-04-2009, 09:20
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No, our box never gets turned off. It doesn't even go to Standby (because I have it set that way).

What "overnight process" do you mean?
Ah, I think that's your explanation. The box does some internal housekeeping when it is in standby, overnight (I think I read that it was 4:00am, but I could be mistaken). This houeskeeping includes creating the thumbnails.

If you don't ever put it in standby, I guess it can't do it.

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Old 18-04-2009, 09:43
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The above post reminded me to check - the missing thumbnails have been recreated overnight on the file transferred to the HDR.

I also found another HD programme that I had put in a folder and forgotten about, Dr. Who at the Proms from 13/4, with no red X icon, and it allows me to Copy.

So, on my box:-
13/4 - Dr. Who at the Proms - Copy Allowed
14/4 - All the small things - Copy Disallowed
16/4 onwards - All BBC HD progs - Copy Allowed

Anyway, all seems OK now, so not sure what was happening with All the small things on 14/4.

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Old 18-04-2009, 10:20
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The above post reminded me to check - the missing thumbnails have been recreated overnight on the file transferred to the HDR.

I also found another HD programme that I had put in a folder and forgotten about, Dr. Who at the Proms from 13/4, with no red X icon, and it allows me to Copy.

So, on my box:-
13/4 - Dr. Who at the Proms - Copy Allowed
14/4 - All the small things - Copy Disallowed
16/4 onwards - All BBC HD progs - Copy Allowed

Anyway, all seems OK now, so not sure what was happening with All the small things on 14/4.

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Les.
That's very intriguing, you would have thought that the thumbnail data must be stored in the .nts sidecar file and would therefore survive the copy transfer. If not there, where the devil does it put them ? Was going to copy a .nts file pre and post thumbnail and compare them but never got round to it.
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Old 18-04-2009, 10:48
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Ah, I think that's your explanation. The box does some internal housekeeping when it is in standby, overnight (I think I read that it was 4:00am, but I could be mistaken). This houeskeeping includes creating the thumbnails.

If you don't ever put it in standby, I guess it can't do it.
Lack of thumbnails is possibly the least problem with not putting the HDR into standby overnight, although perhaps the most obvious. I suspect there are several more serious problems with setting up the HDR never to go into standby. From my observations, this is what I think they may be.

1. When switched on, the HDR only tunes into the home transponder to load the EPG when the Guide button is pressed. I suspect it also loads the EPG during it's overnight housekeeping to get the 8th day together with any schedule changes. If you were to go on holiday for more than a week without the leaving box in standby, recordings are going to fail due to the EPG never being loaded.

2. The automatic channel list update seems to work by the HDR detecting that the channels available have changed whilst it is on, but defering scanning for the changes until the box is next brought out of standby. This makes sense as a channel scan is intrusive and coming out of standby is the least intrusive time. If the box is never in standby, it will never get automatic channel updates.

3. Not that I've seen an OTA update yet , but I guess that it will work in a similar way to channel updates. If you never put the box into standby, you won't get the automatic update when it is eventually released.
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Old 18-04-2009, 13:23
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This is just getting crazy and it's getting so I can't believe what I am reading here!

...and the more I read about the HDR's "foibles" the lower my technical opinion of this box descends...

Facts:
1. The Foxsat HDR is a computer.
2. It runs Linux as an OS
3. Linux is a multi-tasking operating system (and probably more efficient at doing that, than MS Windows).

Given the above facts, if power is applied at any level and the CPU is active and, if (and its a big "if"!) the firmware/software is written correctly/well, it ought to be able to carry out any task at any time concurrently!! If it can't do this, then frankly, it is rubbish!!

I have a Sony HXD 860 Freeview PVR that has sat there minding its own business now for over 2 years. It also runs an OS based on Linux. It has never faltered once. It does all it's tasks in real time, including updating the EPG etc etc... Not only that but it automatically updates it channel listings/numberings in real time without the need "to go to standby" to accomplish those changes. It just basically gets on with doing what it does; sometimes with a user prompt along the way but mostly, quietly, in the background.

To put it bluntly, the HDR should just "work" and do all the tasks it's meant to do all the time it is connected and switched "on" (whether that means standby or the viewer is actually watching something). If it can't do that, it has no business being in the main stream electronic media marketplace. (IMO)

Given the plethora of fast CPU's in the marketplace today, what on earth were Humax thinking of putting such a sluggardly one (it seems anyway) in the HDR??! If the next software update doesn't make major improvements to this box, then it will be going back for a refund and I'll happily just wait for someone like Sony to come out with a box that "just works" for Freesat HD.

I am starting to get really disappointed with this Humax Foxsat HDR box now...
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Old 18-04-2009, 13:28
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There will soon be an alternative to the Humax, But it will cost more that £600.
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/p...bluray-pvr.gif
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Old 18-04-2009, 13:32
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The above post reminded me to check - the missing thumbnails have been recreated overnight on the file transferred to the HDR.
Crazy... they should be recreated the instant they are copied back... sigh... what is so difficult??
I also found another HD programme that I had put in a folder and forgotten about, Dr. Who at the Proms from 13/4, with no red X icon, and it allows me to Copy.

So, on my box:-
13/4 - Dr. Who at the Proms - Copy Allowed
14/4 - All the small things - Copy Disallowed
16/4 onwards - All BBC HD progs - Copy Allowed

Anyway, all seems OK now, so not sure what was happening with All the small things on 14/4.

Rgds.

Les.
I think I'll just stick to recording any HD content I want to archive/keep in non-Freesat mode. I object to having someone else's agenda imposed on me for any reason....
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Old 18-04-2009, 13:38
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There will soon be an alternative to the Humax, But it will cost more that £600.
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/p...bluray-pvr.gif
I really don't see how anyone is justified in charging such a high price; Bluray or not. The price point is more typically £299-£399 for new stuff in the main stream marketplace...
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Old 19-04-2009, 13:36
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Just a thought has anyone checked if RGB comes out of the TV scart now during BBC HD transmissions ?
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Old 19-04-2009, 14:41
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Just a thought has anyone checked if RGB comes out of the TV scart now during BBC HD transmissions ?
Just tried on the HD Preview loop now.

TV reports no RGB on Scart input when on BBC HD; changing channel away from BBC HD, the TV then reports Scart input is back to RGB.

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Old 19-04-2009, 14:47
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Yep I've just tried too.

Maybe a software update is needed to get RGB through SCART on HD channels.
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Old 19-04-2009, 15:37
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Just tried on the HD Preview loop now.

TV reports no RGB on Scart input when on BBC HD; changing channel away from BBC HD, the TV then reports Scart input is back to RGB.

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Old 19-04-2009, 16:14
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I might be talking out of my armpit here but when you check the operation of the RGB scart do you have to disconnect the HDMI first, as not doing so disables the scart output?
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Old 19-04-2009, 16:20
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I might be talking out of my armpit here but when you check the operation of the RGB scart do you have to disconnect the HDMI first, as not doing so disables the scart output?
I've no idea

Edit : Do you mean it disables the RGB over Scart, or disables the Scart? If it's the latter, then I have both always connected and watch my SD over Scart, so it's not disabled by having the HDMI lead plugged in.

I didn't disconnect the HDMI, and it is so awkward to get to the back of my box to do so, that I'll leave that little test to someone else

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