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Who was right? Jody or the others?
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Vivadiva
19-04-2009
For me, there is a clear distinction between the fiasco over the lost order and Jody not pulling his weight later, the latter of which I found worse. He loves to aggravate and wind up and after a hectic shift, they were probably all tired and snappy.

I did not appreciate when he spoke to Nick as he did, either.

Jody is an annoying little creep but I found the others overreacted in the extreme. Names were thrown around from all corners.

I thought Niomi and Linda emerged from this episode the best.
johnson293
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Cheating (and not owning up to it) is not a million miles away from lying, though. Ade's hardly in any position to take the moral high ground. Did he forget we all saw what he did?”


Theres no comparison as far as I'm concerened.

Its been said before - Ade's 'Lie' or more appropriately, cheating could only have had repurcussions for him.

Jody's blatant LIE to make him look better in front of his family involved the whole group, and could have subseqently affected any one or all of them.

Ade did what he did like a cheeky schoolboy trying to cheat an exam.

Jody did what he did for purely selfish reasons, completely against the wishes/orders of the man he seems to look up to (Ar*elick) so much.
kimindex
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by Rikki65:
“Speaking as a potential diner..... I think Jodie was right. If I'd been one of the customers who had to leave without getting served, I would feel pretty embarrassed and hurt. The fact that the extra effort was made on my behalf would have been very much appreciated.”

It wasn't that. It was the fact he lied to the others about it. He was glory hunting.
lulu g
19-04-2009
I'm not saying that Ade's 'lie' (or 'cheat') and Jody's lie are exactly equivalent, just that when Ade insisted on saying 'But you lied, Jody,' he was on shaky ground.
lulu g
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by Vivadiva:
“For me, there is a clear distinction between the fiasco over the lost order and Jody not pulling his weight later, the latter of which I found worse. He loves to aggravate and wind up and after a hectic shift, they were probably all tired and snappy.

I did not appreciate when he spoke to Nick as he did, either.

Jody is an annoying little creep but I found the others overreacted in the extreme. Names were thrown around from all corners.

I thought Niomi and Linda emerged from this episode the best.”

I would agree with your final statement. None of the others exactly covered themselves in glory (some markedly less so than others).

Actually, Marco went up a bit in my estimation tonight. If he would cut back on the posturing and show his more sensitive and, dare I say, wise side more often, it would make for a much more enjoyable and interesting show, in my view.
lou-kate
19-04-2009
I did end up feeling a bit sorry for Jodie last night. He backed himself into a corner and being imature and none too bright, he was not equipped to get himself out of it. His behaviour just escalated because he didn't have the personal skills to retrieve the situation.

That being said, his behaviour was dreadful and I respect Ade for not accepting his apology. It is just as insincere to accept an apology when you don't mean it as to give one.

As for the decision to feed the diners, I do think Marco should have fed that table. But for Jodie to keep on and on about 'feeding them' as if there was no other concern on the planet and that he was some kind of hero for doing so - 'they were fed, I wanted to feed them, I am here to feed people, at least they left fed' - as if he was a on a charitable mission providing food for victims of famine. He is a prat.
Cookmeparsnips
19-04-2009
Why didn't he just repeat exactly what Mick Hucknall a-like had said to him? I couldn't understand that, it was like watching a sitcom, the way they keep a perfectly understandable fact hidden and dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes!
dome
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“I'm not saying that Ade's 'lie' (or 'cheat') and Jody's lie are exactly equivalent, just that when Ade insisted on saying 'But you lied, Jody,' he was on shaky ground.”

Ade didn't actually lie, he was never asked if he made the pasta or said he had and did not volunteer the information that he hadn't. :
Also his act didn't put anyone in the firing line except himself.
Veri
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“I think you missed the bit where everyone said he was lazy (including Marco). Why would they see him as a threat when he's such a slacker.”

Because he reminds them of Joe Swash?

That's certainly why I want him out a.s.a.p. (before it's too late!).
Veri
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by dome:
“Ade didn't actually lie, he was never asked if he made the pasta or said he had and did not volunteer the information that he hadn't. ”

It's a lie by omission.
madfriend
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by Sunday Sun:
“Who did you think was right? Who was in the wrong?”

Jody was in the wrong. The guys a twonk
cmrxx
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by johnson293:
“Theres no comparison as far as I'm concerened.

Its been said before - Ade's 'Lie' or more appropriately, cheating could only have had repurcussions for him.

Jody's blatant LIE to make him look better in front of his family involved the whole group, and could have subseqently affected any one or all of them.

Ade did what he did like a cheeky schoolboy trying to cheat an exam.

Jody did what he did for purely selfish reasons, completely against the wishes/orders of the man he seems to look up to (Ar*elick) so much.”

Good point well made.

I myself found Jodie to be agressive, childish and selfish.
memmh
19-04-2009
Jody was wrong to lie to the others and to spend the day slacking, however, those of the others who refused to accept his apology were also wrong.

Although, admittedly, an apology is just words and we need to see by his actions that he meant it. That's why I practically cheered Linda when she said that we all need a second chance. She's absolutely right.
flowerpowa
19-04-2009
Jodie is trying to act the ' Young Marco' he is playing on that with behaving so badly and Marco seems to be falling for it hook line and sinker.

Jodie should have gone last night but that wouldn't have done the TV ratings much good would it. It's all a put up job and I'm daft enough to keep on watching.
Dally
19-04-2009
I was very surprised at the part that showed Jody really didn't know why the others didn't like him.
Mr Bickle
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by memmh:
“ those of the others who refused to accept his apology were also wrong.

Although, admittedly, an apology is just words and we need to see by his actions that he meant it.”

That is why they didn't accept it. I wouldn't have either. I would have said "Don't tell me you're sorry. Show me".
john176bramley
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by Dally:
“I was very surprised at the part that showed Jody really didn't know why the others didn't like him.”

At one point in the show he did say it might be because he's too nice!
dome
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Jody was wrong to lie to the others and to spend the day slacking, however, those of the others who refused to accept his apology were also wrong.

Although, admittedly, an apology is just words and we need to see by his actions that he meant it. That's why I practically cheered Linda when she said that we all need a second chance. She's absolutely right.”

They all agreed they'd accept the apology if his future behaviour proved it was sincere.

I thought that was fair enough, especially when it became clear he'd apologised many times since the start.
r.a.i.n.b.o.w
19-04-2009
Jody obviously wanted all the glory for it - he was mega peeved that Grant took the order from him and started shouting it out for the kitchen...
teresagreen
19-04-2009
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“At one point in the show he did say it might be because he's too nice!”

I saw that, and I thought, "Why is it that some people have to tell others that they are nice"? Without exception I have found that everyone who says this is the exact opposite. I haven't changed my mind since his 'apology'. He's still a wazock.
stargazer61
19-04-2009
Think they had been getting increasingly fed up with his behaviour all day; he basically isolated himself by behaving in the way he did. By the time it came to apologies.I think they were quite right in wanting to see a change in behaviour rather than just a spoken apology. Got the impression that he was behaving like a petulant, cocky child for most of the time whilst the rest of the group were working hard.

I just hope that this is not a ploy on the part of the producers to make him the winner!!
robbies_gal
19-04-2009
oh dont start me on him saying its because hes nice-i fail to see that

i just had heated debate with my dad about this-i thought he would hate jody but completely the opposite-said he seems keen to learn and anthea started it by calling him names to which he retaliated-then again he cant stand anthea

i did point out hes said sorry many times before then goe back to his ways but apparently-theyre ganging up on him

i shall resume this agument later on tonight

lol
georgeshair
19-04-2009
I have met people who behave like this before - bad behaviour followed by apologies, followed by by further bad behaviour , then more apologies... and so on. It can be very irritating and after a while you stop believing the apologies because the behaviour doesn't change. I'm not surprised tempers flared, especially as they are living with each other all the time with no time to get away and calm down.
Ber
21-04-2009
Originally Posted by georgeshair:
“I have met people who behave like this before - bad behaviour followed by apologies, followed by by further bad behaviour , then more apologies... and so on. It can be very irritating and after a while you stop believing the apologies because the behaviour doesn't change. I'm not surprised tempers flared, especially as they are living with each other all the time with no time to get away and calm down.”

Absolutely. There are some people who believe that they can do whatever they want as long as they say sorry afterwards.

Well, that doesn't work for me. I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt once - but when they continue to act like an arse then an apology means nothing to me.
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