Could DVD's feature Teletext.

Bill Clinton · 12-12-2003, 02:56

Although you're probably going to reply in hoardes and say this is totally unnecessary, is it technically possible, after all it's just a few lines on the top of the picture?
I know that DVD contains everything inbuilt, graphics, subtitles etc, but teletext on DVD's could feature something like including Ceefax on a BBC DVD etc, Teletext would be useful on games consoles though, check out the other thread in gaming about that.

flagpole · 12-12-2003, 15:46

I can think of two reasons why they couldn't but i'm sure there are more (without even mentioning that it's completely rediculous)

1) those few extra lines at the top are used by the macrovision to stop you recording dvd's

2) obviously the balck and white dots at the top of the screen need to be reproduced perfectly. this is something that MPEG would be rubish at as each frame bears no relation to the previous.

Bill Clinton · 13-12-2003, 01:38

However Sky Digital manages it perfectly and it uses MPEG compression, it must be done in hardware.

djchrissy · 13-12-2003, 09:27

but why??!?

how would it be kept up-to-date

when you can access teletext through analogue TV, and interactive through sky or a freeview stb?

CrystalAvenger · 13-12-2003, 11:36

Bill, what is the facination with god damn Teletext

You've asked why games don't have it and now why DVD's have it... Surely logic tells you they don't have them because they have far better methods of providing information than via some antiquanted 30 year old video text system...

And as for Teletext on Sky Digital - I believe it is done as a seperate part of the channels data stream which your box lumps into that part of the picture which is out of view. Quite why Sky continue to offer it when most other digital platforms don't is beyond me - surely it wouldn't be too hard for all the EMAP music channels (for example) to put all their selection numbers on an interactive ap like they do already for The Hits on Freeview...

There isn't even any point in the video text version of SkyText these days as there is now the digital version which has the same, perhaps even more content and features, yet it's still there on Sky One, Sky Sports etc.

djchrissy · 13-12-2003, 18:17

teletext is old and out-of-date - it just looks so crap

Interactive/MHEG is the future

Bill Clinton · 13-12-2003, 22:38

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Bill, what is the facination with god damn Teletext You've asked why games don't have it and now why DVD's have it... Surely logic tells you they don't have them because they have far better methods of providing information than via some antiquanted 30 year old video text system...

Thanks for that nice flame, I'm not sure how to explain why I like teletext, but have you ever read Paramount Text and Mailbox, I'm like that guy was, enthusiastic about teletext.
for a few lines at the top of the picture, you can have teletext so while it's there why not use it, I don't think I;m the only one who would think that teletext on games would be a cool idea, i mean you would exactly object to it if it were there already would you?
As for DVD's the teletext would be static just as the other content as the DVD is. You could pick a lot of holes with the idea of text on DVD's but on games I think it would be a useful feature.

crazydave · 13-12-2003, 23:25

DVD's support closed captions which is sort of the american equivelent of page 888 on teletext.

rua is god · 14-12-2003, 20:26

Quote:

Originally posted by flagpole
I can think of two reasons why they couldn't but i'm sure there are more (without even mentioning that it's completely rediculous)

1) those few extra lines at the top are used by the macrovision to stop you recording dvd's

I have a ver old VCR im not sure how old but its definately from the 80's and it records from Sky Box office, Rental VHS and DVD's. Its slowly dieing though and im not even sure why it records them perfectly.

RedEarth · 16-12-2003, 13:21

Quote:

Originally posted by rua is god
I have a ver old VCR im not sure how old but its definately from the 80's and it records from Sky Box office, Rental VHS and DVD's. Its slowly dieing though and im not even sure why it records them perfectly.

Macrovision exploits some gain control circuitry which most modern VCR's have, but some early ones don't, your's is probably one of these. I believe Betamax VCR's don't have this circuitry either, so these can be used for DVD copying, though I doubt if there's anyone about stupid enough to buy pirate copies on Betamax!!!

iain · 16-12-2003, 14:50

am i missing something?

if a dvd had *teletext*, what sort of things could it provide, that wouldn't already be included, and presented far more attractively, as a regular dvd *extra*?

Iain

RedEarth · 17-12-2003, 14:05

Quote:

Originally posted by iain
am i missing something?

if a dvd had *teletext*, what sort of things could it provide, that wouldn't already be included, and presented far more attractively, as a regular dvd *extra*?

Iain

Nowt that I can think of!

BexTech · 17-12-2003, 14:45

The reason Sky transmits Teletext, is because customers complained it wasn't there when SkyDigital first started, and neither was any type of digital text. So after a short while Sky enabled it.

flagpole · 17-12-2003, 15:42

I guess it would be a good idea if they could add it to ntl: cable in areas without interactive services.

Wezzo · 17-12-2003, 16:13

Have to agree with Bill C on one point - Mailbox, which originated on PText, is great.

Though now you can get it at www.ptext.com..

12-12-2003, 02:56	#1
Bill Clinton Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SouthWirral 1986-2002 & 2004-? Posts: 7,082	Could DVD's feature Teletext. Although you're probably going to reply in hoardes and say this is totally unnecessary, is it technically possible, after all it's just a few lines on the top of the picture? I know that DVD contains everything inbuilt, graphics, subtitles etc, but teletext on DVD's could feature something like including Ceefax on a BBC DVD etc, Teletext would be useful on games consoles though, check out the other thread in gaming about that.

12-12-2003, 15:46	#2
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	I can think of two reasons why they couldn't but i'm sure there are more (without even mentioning that it's completely rediculous) 1) those few extra lines at the top are used by the macrovision to stop you recording dvd's 2) obviously the balck and white dots at the top of the screen need to be reproduced perfectly. this is something that MPEG would be rubish at as each frame bears no relation to the previous.

13-12-2003, 01:38	#3
Bill Clinton Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SouthWirral 1986-2002 & 2004-? Posts: 7,082	However Sky Digital manages it perfectly and it uses MPEG compression, it must be done in hardware.

13-12-2003, 09:27	#4
djchrissy Banned User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wycombe Ghetto, Bucks, England / Crystal Palace Transmitter / Posts: 2,725	but why??!? how would it be kept up-to-date when you can access teletext through analogue TV, and interactive through sky or a freeview stb?

13-12-2003, 11:36	#5
CrystalAvenger Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1,995	Bill, what is the facination with god damn Teletext You've asked why games don't have it and now why DVD's have it... Surely logic tells you they don't have them because they have far better methods of providing information than via some antiquanted 30 year old video text system... And as for Teletext on Sky Digital - I believe it is done as a seperate part of the channels data stream which your box lumps into that part of the picture which is out of view. Quite why Sky continue to offer it when most other digital platforms don't is beyond me - surely it wouldn't be too hard for all the EMAP music channels (for example) to put all their selection numbers on an interactive ap like they do already for The Hits on Freeview... There isn't even any point in the video text version of SkyText these days as there is now the digital version which has the same, perhaps even more content and features, yet it's still there on Sky One, Sky Sports etc.

13-12-2003, 18:17	#6
djchrissy Banned User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wycombe Ghetto, Bucks, England / Crystal Palace Transmitter / Posts: 2,725	teletext is old and out-of-date - it just looks so crap Interactive/MHEG is the future

13-12-2003, 22:38	#7
Bill Clinton Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SouthWirral 1986-2002 & 2004-? Posts: 7,082	Quote: Bill, what is the facination with god damn Teletext You've asked why games don't have it and now why DVD's have it... Surely logic tells you they don't have them because they have far better methods of providing information than via some antiquanted 30 year old video text system... Thanks for that nice flame, I'm not sure how to explain why I like teletext, but have you ever read Paramount Text and Mailbox, I'm like that guy was, enthusiastic about teletext. for a few lines at the top of the picture, you can have teletext so while it's there why not use it, I don't think I;m the only one who would think that teletext on games would be a cool idea, i mean you would exactly object to it if it were there already would you? As for DVD's the teletext would be static just as the other content as the DVD is. You could pick a lot of holes with the idea of text on DVD's but on games I think it would be a useful feature.

13-12-2003, 23:25	#8
crazydave Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Glasgow, Black Hill TX Posts: 1,000	DVD's support closed captions which is sort of the american equivelent of page 888 on teletext.

14-12-2003, 20:26	#9
rua is god Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 1,984	Quote: Originally posted by flagpole I can think of two reasons why they couldn't but i'm sure there are more (without even mentioning that it's completely rediculous) 1) those few extra lines at the top are used by the macrovision to stop you recording dvd's I have a ver old VCR im not sure how old but its definately from the 80's and it records from Sky Box office, Rental VHS and DVD's. Its slowly dieing though and im not even sure why it records them perfectly.

16-12-2003, 13:21	#10
RedEarth Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,004	Quote: Originally posted by rua is god I have a ver old VCR im not sure how old but its definately from the 80's and it records from Sky Box office, Rental VHS and DVD's. Its slowly dieing though and im not even sure why it records them perfectly. Macrovision exploits some gain control circuitry which most modern VCR's have, but some early ones don't, your's is probably one of these. I believe Betamax VCR's don't have this circuitry either, so these can be used for DVD copying, though I doubt if there's anyone about stupid enough to buy pirate copies on Betamax!!!

16-12-2003, 14:50	#11
iain Guest Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 62,990	am i missing something? if a dvd had teletext, what sort of things could it provide, that wouldn't already be included, and presented far more attractively, as a regular dvd extra? Iain

17-12-2003, 14:05	#12
RedEarth Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,004	Quote: Originally posted by iain am i missing something? if a dvd had teletext, what sort of things could it provide, that wouldn't already be included, and presented far more attractively, as a regular dvd extra? Iain Nowt that I can think of!

17-12-2003, 14:45	#13
BexTech Banned User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Back where I belong. Posts: 12,574	The reason Sky transmits Teletext, is because customers complained it wasn't there when SkyDigital first started, and neither was any type of digital text. So after a short while Sky enabled it.

17-12-2003, 15:42	#14
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	I guess it would be a good idea if they could add it to ntl: cable in areas without interactive services.

17-12-2003, 16:13	#15
Wezzo Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Trowbridge, UK Posts: 989	Have to agree with Bill C on one point - Mailbox, which originated on PText, is great. Though now you can get it at www.ptext.com..

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