The problem with using “decent people with decent morals” as the criteria is we all have different views on what that is. I think they are all “decent” human beings with “decent” morals, you cannot highlight one situation and use that as the basis to judge someones lifestyle. What’s happened happened, they can’t turn the clock back; it’s how they react from here on, not just with the image they project to the public, but the way they are seen to be with each other ie treat each other with respect.

Unfortunately, I don’t think any of them have been getting particularly good (if any) advice on the PR front. The only one who has used her brain is Kristina, silence is always a good option, it wasn’t her choice to put it in the public domain, but I suspect that may change once the legal option is closed. Bottom line, they are all grafters, working dancers trying to manage their careers, they may not have access to the greatest of advice and mistakes will be made with regard to money making choices. A dancers life is short, so they have to grab opportunities as they arise. That doesn’t make them bad people! They shouldn’t lose out on the Strictly gig because of it.

I don’t think people will turn off because of it, the exact opposite will be the case. Crikey, look at the audience for Eastenders etc where it’s “pretend” human drama ; bit of real human drama sells.

Yes they both should be invited back

Exactly.

True again- and look at how popular Flavia and Brendan are, in spite of having their private lives raked over the coals. Brendan I would say has lost a lot of popularity, but following the Camilla/Natasha debacle, he enjoyed two to three series of being one of the most popular pros.

I bet the BBC are rubbing their hands with glee at this latest 'scandal' and are perhaps only slightly disappointed that the news didn't break nearer the new show - nothing like tabloid headlines to boost ratings.

I'm sure Tess and Claudia will both be instructed to be a little bit direct and indiscreet with their questioning of both Kristina and Vincent in the up coming series.

As for whether I think they should both be back - not terribly bothered about either actually. But if they are back (and I don't doubt they will be) I think Vincent needs to drop the 'italian stallion' act and Kristina needs a decent partner with whom she could really show her dance ability.

I do undertand everyone can make mistakes ect, but i just think they behaved badly when they should have been working and being professional on the tour....but i think it was Vincents reaction in his interview in the Sunday people that dissapointed me.I was just shocked he said noone has been hurt,and i am not to blame.I think it shows he does not not have a clue how to handle his public image as part of a hugely popular family show.He also clearly likes giving his personal details to the tabloids,and all that bragging of being a ten in bed ect.....i just want the show to be about the dancing,it dosent need all this crap to get us to watch surely.I think it is overshadowing the dancing.

Perhaps he should be brought back and then banned from going to the press then. The fact that Vincent won so many of the shows on tour says he was being a pro and doing his job of entertaining the crowd - what he was up after hours only affected him, Susan, Kristina and his unborn child. Maybe Vincent should just be stopped from going to the press - I agree his attitude as it was portrayed sucked and I'm not sure what I think of him personally but both him and Kristina are very good dancers and cheorographers and it would be a shame if they didn't return because of personal stuff. I've got a horrid feeling Kristina may not be back anyway - it's not going to be easy for her to be around the man who appears to have used her and he's been there longer than she has and has an established pro partner who is also part of the show.

Oh god, I hope your horrid feeling stays a horrible feeling. I would almost sacrifice Vincent to get Kristina back. She brings so much life.

I thought Vincent came across as a total prick in his interview but he was working on tour. He showed up to every show, danced every step, and did it with enough energy and enthusiasm that he won the tour.

Have to say I agree with you in thinking Kristina might be the one not to return, although I hope she does. She's been put in a really difficult position by this debacle; her reputation has been sullied, possibly through no fault of her own and she has to live with the dismissive comments Vincent has made about her. I would imagine that would make her work position rather uncomfortable. It's fairly typical of the world we live (and work!) in that the man gets away with diabolical behaviour and the women suffer.

I do get everyones points about them showing up to work and doing their job ect,and therfore their personal lives shouldnt matter.The thing is I think (some people) who do vote for the personality,and the pro or celeb they admire may not have voted had they knew this was going on.Some may say well what does it matter,but i do feel these pros being in the public eye have a responsability to project a good public image.I also think the BBC should stop the running to the press about private matters.The pros may say well it is my private life.....well then if so keep it to yourself,dont run to the press,because if you do you are fair game for criticisim.I just think where do you draw the line, it is now more about scandal than the dancing.

Of course Kristina would be back, she is a grown up and a total pro! She has worked too hard for too long to throw that away. If anyone is on thin ice it’s Vincent. On tour he benefitted from the “he was robbed on the tv programme” factor – he cannot rely on that any more, it’s old news. His dismissive attitude has, to say the least, alienated a lot of the female following that he relies on (we girls will either relate to Susan or Kristina, not Vincent).

Yes, he has been on Strictly for a long time, that in itself could be a problem. He is old school and new blood is always welcome. They are not afraid to yield the axe. Let’s talk numbers, look at the hits Brian Fortuna gets (only one Strictly season) compared to Vincent (around forever). I think Vincent has to tread very carefully over the next few weeks/months, depending on how he plays it it will either save or kill his Strictly career. Ironically, his destiny could be totally in Kristina’s hands….. Whether she steers him out of trouble (playing the happy content couple) or throws him to the wolves.

That's a mighty big generalisation. I'm a female and not alienated in the slightest - his love life has nothing at all to do with me. And I don't decide which one I "relate" to by whether they have boobs.


He's only had three series! Some like Erin and Anton have had six. He's not THAT old school.

[quote=Psychosis;32104408] And I don't decide which one I "relate" to by whether they have boobs.



Nor do I, I was referring to their actions rather than their sex.

PS Have fun in Dukenfield, if you're driving watch out on the ring road, if you miss the turning it's a pain!

They should both be asked back.

What goes on outside the show is nobody's business except their own and this subject will hopefully have been resolved by September one way or the other, although no doubt the media will try to stir thing up again.

There will be something in the SCD contract about not bringing the show into disrepute. Neither are foolish enough to endanger their careers and by the time the show starts I'm sure Vincent & Kristina will act in a professional manner.

If the public choose not to vote for them because of what may or may not have happened, then so be it.

[quote=Mickey007;32104835]
Haha, fair enough. There were people before saying that we should automatically appreciate the women because they're women, which was a little

Thank you! Yes, my mum is driving. I'll make sure to keep an eye out for that when I'm navigating.

How about this to "pour oil on troubled waters"

Vinthent and Susan ask Kristina to be godmother to the baby!!!!!!


God- I''m good!!!!!!

JJ

I'm not actually sure how many people vote for the pro anyway on these things and how many of Strictly viewers read red tops and go on the forums. Mine and my husband's families whom are Strictly viewers don't seem to be aware of this current sorry story nor the Brendan/Natasha/Camelia scandal nor Ramp's playing away nor Maviacent so I'm not really sure how much that sort of stuff affects viewers. We tend to assume that a lot of people vote for the favourite pro but as a percentage of the Strictly viewership it probably isn't that high. The early departure of pros like Flavia, Anton, Karen and Darren who have strong fanbases would seem to indicate it doesn't make a difference although the distinctively marmite James doesn't seem to have the public behind him ever.

I don't think Vince will get anyone good this year anyway if there's someone pint sized with talent by the law of averages Darren is owed them having gone out early last year partnering a dud.

The stopping running to the press is probably a good idea - by all means stick a muzzle clause into pros contract although it wouldn't have stopped Susan as people pointed out since she's not a Strictly pro and I think Kristina deserves the right to reply to the allegations made against her.

Brilliant!!


The problem here is that they are out of contract!!!! A muzzle clause would only apply between signing contract and transmission.

JJ

Why is it that we expect 'celebrities' to set moral standards? I wouldn't like to get the sack from my job because of my lifestyle choices. They are employed for their dancing skills, that's all.

Brendan is a love rat too and he's still there!

Anyway, don't we all secretly enjoy the backstage dramas?

Morning early birds

Hmmm...I take your point that Kristina deserves the right to reply to the allegations made about her, katmobile, but taking up that right might prove to be a double-edged blade. By taking up the right to reply she will not only be re-opening up a story that appears to be fading away, but she may also be obliged to explain some of her own actions that on reflection she's not particularly proud of...however justified she may have been at the time. There's already been one ex who's crawled out of the woodwork to have a go at her, almost certainly out of spite and jealousy, and by keeping the story alive it might encourage further articles in the same vein from other maggots with an eye to making a few quid from their embittered ramblings...

I think the best thing Kristina can do is say nothing and get on with her job

I agree 100% with this.

The worst thing Kristina could do is tell 'her side of the story' to the media. Vincent should take a leaf out of her book and do the same form now on. Susan can do what she wants just as she has done so far.

I am that woman; I had heard nothing about the "scandal" and actually don't want to. All I can say is more Brian and Kristina on SCD and I don't have a view on the rest

I think that both Vincent and Kristina should absolutely be invited back for the next series.

What they get up to in their private lives shouldn't affect their professional lives.

However, I used to be a great fan of Vincent's, and a large part of that was the persona he engendered of a terrible flirt, 'la passione', Itallian Stallion, blowing kisses to the audience etc etc ... I found it very amusing and tongue in cheek.

If he still played up this persona though, I would (and I stress 'personally') find it a little bit icky and inappropriate, given what's happened.

But maybe this could work to his advantage ... I know some people who were turned off him because of the flirting act, so maybe if he reigns it in and concentrates on his amazing talent for choreography, he may end up accruing more fans.

I met him and saw him at a show last night. Unless he acts differently with his fans than he does on Strictly, I don't think your theory is going to work out

I don't think that Kristina should leave SCD because of any relationship she may have had but simply because, with the exception of Hayley, she is the worst dancer.