Clearly they would have gone before her and she would still be there

They always seem to struggle to understand the dynamics of how it works as Philip always going to be a wasted choice.

SAS can't wait to punt Lorraine, Norul, Mona at the first opportunity, probably any order over next three weeks.

i dont know she was weak and anyone stupid enough to let that idea past them deserves the boot she even admitted it was a crap idea and went with it anyway

would you give someone like that a job

For some reason the PM's usually pick the people who caused the most conflict. I agree though, Noorul or Mona or even Howard would probably have gone if Kim had picked them.

Lorraine was an obvious choice, because she caused a lot of conflict (even though a lot of what she said was entirely justified).

I guess she took Philip in because it was his terrible idea to have Pants Man.

She ought to have given the matter a bit more thought and taken Nooral or Mona in. I think either of those two might have been fired...not sure about Howard though. I think he might well have stayed even if he had been in the final three.

I don't think the outcome would have been any different whoever she'd taken into the boardroom.

Nooral could argue that he'd performed well in the advert (seeing as that was the only bit of the task the agencies actually liked) and his PM had told him to sit in the garage so it wasn't his fault he didn't do much else.

Mona practised her presentation then Kim told her how she should change it so she could have told Siralan it was Kim's fault her presentation was so poor.

Howard, quite diplomatically I thought, at least tried to reprimand Lorraine and Phillip for their behaviour which was more than Kim did.

I agree, Mona was v.poor on that task, she should have been bought to the boardroom and fired.

I agree - Kim should have taken any of those 3 into the boardroom and not Lorraine or Philip. Nooral, as per usual, contributed nothing other than wearing the costume (an easy opt out IMO).

He just sits at the table each week and offers nothing whatsoever in terms of ideas and I'm sure Sir Alan can't wait for the day when somebody does finally bring him in as I think he desperately wants to fire him.

Nooral is having an easy ride at the moment.

Hindsight is a wonder thing.....It all seems so obvious because we`v now watched 5 programmes and Sir A has made it obvious he`ll fire Noral at the first opportunity he gets.....6 months ago when this was filmed the candidates may not have been aware what Sir Alan was thinking.....and lets face it, the people that get on our nerves at work are the trouble makers and we tend to ignore those quietly getting on with their job....even if their contribution is minimal.So if you could fire a work colleague.....who would you choose.A trouble maker/someone you disliked.....or the harmless quiet bloke sat in the corner doing f**k all.....most of us want a quiet life so we`d choose the loud mouthed trouble maker.

Yes. She probably knows how to use punctuation.

I don't understand why people think bringing Mona in would have been a good idea.
Mona would easily blame everything on Kim, Kim's attitude when she was practising the presentation, the fact that Kim is supposed to be an expert at this yet, she refused to do the presentation.

Sir Alan would have been left wondering what exactly Kim is good at. She couldn't be creative, she couldn't present and she couldn't manage her team or her time properly.

It would have been too easy for Mona to walk away from and go back to the house.

Philip was never going to get fired, but deserved to get pulled into the boardroom nonetheless. He was large part to blame for what went wrong this task along with Kimberly. Lorraine was more unjustified because everything she said from the start to finish of the task was TOTALLY RIGHT. She may have been disruptive, but is that better than the others mindlessly following a concept which obviously sucked?

Mona could have been brought in instead of Lorraine for her awful presentation and lack of contribution to the task. SAS could easily have taken the chance to get rid of her, or Noorul. But Philip or Lorraine were never going to get fired over Kim.

Personally I'm happy to see Kimberly go anyway. She was very weak in most areas.

Because she wasn't smart enough, full stop.

Lorraine clocked on to the wind change in the boardroom instantly (maybe she does have good instincts) but Kimberely kept digging herself into the hole that was all of her own making.

This is one SurlyAlan got exactly right. The next one he gets right will be when he fires Noral

I think maybe it wasn't about being smart, but being fair. It was Phillip's idea, so he had to be taken in. Lorraine was disruptive and there isn't much contribution from her (or at least that we see). Ok, so there isn't all that much contribution from Noorul, or Howard or Mona (apart from her dire pitch) but I guess lack of contribution plus negativity meant Lorraine had to go in.

Having said that, I think had it been me, and wanting to play it smart not fair, I would have been tempted to have taken Noorul or Mona in. I'm not sure Mona's dodgy presentation would have been enough to get her fired, but I think taking in Phillip and Noorul would have been "the smart way". Phillip and Kimberly's energy and fight would have probably shown up Noorul to his incompetent best. And I think as she showed some decent skills, she would have been saved over him.

I just don't think "the smart way"/the game-playing way was Kimberly's way, and that's fair enough, but if you get in hot water on the Apprentice, that way isn't always going to get you through sadly.

I have to say I thought Kim took exactly the right people in. Philip was the one who came up with the crap idea, and Kim was the one who allowed herself to be bulldozed into adopting it. It always had to be one of these two to go, because once the pants idea was adopted the project was probably already unsalvageable..

She could have brought in Mona instead of Lorraine, because of her awful presentation, but that could have raised a counterargument as to Kim's ability to allot tasks to the right people. Bringing Lorraine in for her relentless carping and moaning was probably a better idea because that was clearly not Kim's fault (and yes, I know Lorraine was right in her criticisms, but to go on and on about it once they were committed to the idea was just morale-sapping).

I think Sir Alan should have fired Philip. I think the criticism he made of Kimberley, that underneath an impressive surface there wasn't really much there, is far truer of Philip. But if Philip were to escape firing, then Kimberley was certainly the best second choice. Bringing in someone else may not have saved her.

But in terms of BR tactics it was a wasted decision. I would loved to have seen Philip go, but by bringing him back into the BR for the pants idea, Kim therefore admitted it was rubbish, and therefore undermined her skills as a PM, because she chose to run with it. I think it wouldn't have been difficult for her to justify Noorul being there instead, for reasons involving him and not her.

To be honest, if i were Kimberly, I would've chosen Phillip and Lorraine, as the rest of the team did exactly what Kimberly told them to do, not causing any contention.

you know this based on what

lets just hope no' one's future is in your hands then eh

she probably should have known how to be a sronger leader look how that turned out

Yep, Noorul is getting a bad press on this show but I bet in his work place he's probably liked and respected. You know, gets on quietly with his job, doesn't cause a fuss. He may not be an ideas man, but if you tell Noorul what to do then he's probably quite capable.

well to be fair the others just got on with it although i felt a bit for lorraine as she was the only one who said no this iea is crap but was shouted down for it

why bring someone in who was just telling the truth?

I have no problems with Philip being brought in. His idea was bullied through and was destructively dreadful. Lorraine spoke the truth and should have been listened to. Kim should have brought in Nooral for having no input whatsoever.

I think it would have been a mistake to bring Mona in.

How can you give a decent presentation for something so utterly dire?

As anyone who's been put in that situation knows it's a poisoned challice because if you try to tell people that something so obviously crass is good you are:

a) being dishonest
b) insuting their intelligence.

It was quite obvious that the poor girl was extremely embarassed by the the 'product'.

Of course, Sugar has no qualms about selling tat so he might have gone for her.

She could have brought Noorul in rather than Lorraine and had him put out of his misery.

i dont see how u can take phillip cause it was his idea, yeah the idea was sh!t but it was the best idea they had, thats why they went with that idea!

so your taking on the person who had the best idea! be better off taking someone in that offered no ideas

If she'd picked them, Sir Alan would have probably railed on her for taking people who "didn't do anything wrong".

Like Mr. Trump, it almost seems like Sir Alan often uses the various kinds of objections in direct opposition to who was picked. If provocateurs are brought, he'll probably lean towards asking why the useless people are still hanging about. If the useless are dragged in, he'd go the other way and inform the PM that because he or she wasn't smart enough to bring the person who really failed, that they're going instead.

I think the candidates knew very well what SAS thought of Noorul, especially last week when he congratulated the team, but specifically said their victory was not down to their leader. Also this week, he had quite a go at Noorul.

But the idea transparently was rubbish, whether Kimberley admitted it by bringing Philip into the boardroom or not. Whatever Noorul did or didn't do would have made no difference; the idea was a dead duck as soon as they picked it. Philip and Kimberley were the only ones to blame - he thought up the idea, she decided to go with it. Sacking anyone other than one of these two would have been a travesty.