Sir Alan just fires the quiet ones and keeps the more entertaining ones in...ben should have gone weeks ago and debra just as bad. Its not about business anymore, just entertainment and who has the biggest personality
This show becoming a joke...
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The big mistake was firing Paula, an otherwise sound person who made an error that no-one else caught.
Your opinion. Ben and Debra in particular can be too brash and loud. However, they do posses some good business skills. Noorul was useless IMO and was very lucky to make it this far. Glad he's gone.
Noorul was absolutely useless though, he explains things using about a million words instead of just a few. He's terrible when trying to sell things, was trying to cause trouble in the board room with the magazine thing and was the right person to go. How he even got onto the show is beyond me.
What I disliked more this week was the way "The Lorraine Story" was edited for drama. Not only was the the whole 'Cassandra' carthasis thing taken to fulsome extremes, but the nadir of this X-Factor style sympathy rally was reached with the very spurious-looking 'reaction' shot of a disconsolate Lorraine after Philip basically apologised for being a shit to her; it was probably spliced in from a different part of the evening entirely when she was just tired from the booze kicking in.
Originally Posted by RussellIan:
“What I disliked more this week was the way "The Lorraine Story" was edited for drama. Not only was the the whole 'Cassandra' carthasis thing taken to fulsome extremes, but the nadir of this X-Factor style sympathy rally was reached with the very spurious-looking 'reaction' shot of a disconsolate Lorraine after Philip basically apologised for being a shit to her; it was probably spliced in from a different part of the evening entirely when she was just tired from the booze kicking in.”
“What I disliked more this week was the way "The Lorraine Story" was edited for drama. Not only was the the whole 'Cassandra' carthasis thing taken to fulsome extremes, but the nadir of this X-Factor style sympathy rally was reached with the very spurious-looking 'reaction' shot of a disconsolate Lorraine after Philip basically apologised for being a shit to her; it was probably spliced in from a different part of the evening entirely when she was just tired from the booze kicking in.”
Well, clearly it is extremely edited.
I would usually agree with you, as this has been going on for a few years now, however, this week was justified. It was just unluckily that he was with Debra and Ben, who should have gone otherwise, and makes Noorul's firing less fulfilled. I wanted all 3 to go, although I wouldn't mind seeing Deb for an extra week. But Noorul actually didn't do anything, whereas so far many this year and in Series 4, the guys who were were nice and were good went.
Well I do watch to be entertained...
Nevertheless Debra and Ben are clearly superior candidates to gormless Noorul who should have gone weeks ago.
Nevertheless Debra and Ben are clearly superior candidates to gormless Noorul who should have gone weeks ago.
Originally Posted by InsideSoap:
“Noorul was absolutely useless though, he explains things using about a million words instead of just a few. He's terrible when trying to sell things, was trying to cause trouble in the board room with the magazine thing and was the right person to go. How he even got onto the show is beyond me.”
“Noorul was absolutely useless though, he explains things using about a million words instead of just a few. He's terrible when trying to sell things, was trying to cause trouble in the board room with the magazine thing and was the right person to go. How he even got onto the show is beyond me.”
I was actually quite surprised to see 'feisty Noorul' in the boardroom this evening. But his card's been marked with me from day one as a candidate regardless of his inertia, as I've not been able to get past this:
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Originally Posted by Moloko:
“I would usually agree with you, as this has been going on for a few years now, however, this week was justified. It was just unluckily that he was with Debra and Ben, who should have gone otherwise, and makes Noorul's firing less fulfilled. I wanted all 3 to go, although I wouldn't mind seeing Deb for an extra week. But Noorul actually didn't do anything, whereas so far many this year and in Series 4, the guys who were were nice and were good went.”
“I would usually agree with you, as this has been going on for a few years now, however, this week was justified. It was just unluckily that he was with Debra and Ben, who should have gone otherwise, and makes Noorul's firing less fulfilled. I wanted all 3 to go, although I wouldn't mind seeing Deb for an extra week. But Noorul actually didn't do anything, whereas so far many this year and in Series 4, the guys who were were nice and were good went.”
Deb is basically this year's Claire, although the unfortunate mistake she is making is to think she's Katie.
I found Claire to be far more likeable than Debra, and much more capable as well. She should have won.
I thought the right decision was made. Ben and Debra may be loud and controversial but they show some potential. Noorul showed no potential whatsoever and resorted to using desperate tactics to try and stay in (Ben's magazine deal argument). He was a very weak candidate.
I do laugh how no one is mentioning the fact that Ben WAS the reason they failed the task. The game is:
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.
Originally Posted by BlocFFC:
“I do laugh how no one is mentioning the fact that Ben WAS the reason they failed the task. The game is:
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.”
“I do laugh how no one is mentioning the fact that Ben WAS the reason they failed the task. The game is:
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.”
I agree really. Based on this very task Noorul shouldn't have gone. Ben should have.
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“I agree really. Based on this very task Noorul shouldn't have gone. Ben should have.”
“I agree really. Based on this very task Noorul shouldn't have gone. Ben should have.”
Completely! whether Nooral is a weaker candidate or not in THIS task Ben was responsible as he was the task manager. Knowing the full value of the skeleton Ben should have refused to sell it at that price... AND he closed the deal ffs!
Siralan is just getting rid of the quiet ones at this stage... its all rather predictable and depressing. The extremely loud personalilies nver win the show anyway but they make good TV..
Originally Posted by SamW25:
“Its an entertainment show so why should it not be entertaining?”
“Its an entertainment show so why should it not be entertaining?”
Series 1 and 2 were the best and they were not aimed at being this bitchy, in fighting so called form of entertainment.
It's a show to find his Apprentice. It isnt bloody X Factor!
It's a shame that since moving to BBC1, The Apprentice has become a shadow of what it was. I mean, there isnt a Tim or Saira in this group.
[quote=davey_wavey;32190236]I thought the right decision was made. Ben and Debra may be loud and controversial but they show some potential. Noorul showed no potential whatsoever andresorted to using desperate tactics to try and stay in (Ben's magazine deal argument). He was a very weak candidate.[/Q UOTE]
After Nooral did that I immediately said: Hes gonna fire Nooral. U could just kinda see it in SirAlans eyes...
was a desperate last shot by a weak candidate (whether it was justified or not..)
After Nooral did that I immediately said: Hes gonna fire Nooral. U could just kinda see it in SirAlans eyes...
was a desperate last shot by a weak candidate (whether it was justified or not..)
Originally Posted by BlocFFC:
“I do laugh how no one is mentioning the fact that Ben WAS the reason they failed the task. The game is:
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.”
“I do laugh how no one is mentioning the fact that Ben WAS the reason they failed the task. The game is:
- Bring back two who were causes of failure.
- Fire the person responsible for the failure.
Noorul was in no way to blame whereas it was all Ben's fault. Whilst in the past it has been subtle that he is firing the dull ones, this just takes the piss really. He even said to Ben, bring back the two who failed on this task not the series yet he fired Noorul based on the series-he is a hypocrit. Worst decision since he fired Raef last year.”
Are you joking? The difference being Raef was deliberately stitched up due to SA "forever changing" criteria of what an apprentice should be, just to save his crown jewel, and also, Raef was one of the few decent people (apart from Sara and Lucinda) from a very bad bunch. He actually did something.
Noorul, on the other hand, has been given countless hints to step up his pace, and for the past few weeks he has been VERY luckily not being called back, as for the past few weeks, the winners of the tasks only rely on the other team's losses or downward moved, and vice versa.
Originally Posted by SamW25:
“Its an entertainment show so why should it not be entertaining?”
“Its an entertainment show so why should it not be entertaining?”
It can be and always has, but the way the producers are trying to entertain us is changing though. It's not boring to see genuinely good non-wannabes competiting for a job, with conflicts and whatnot naturally building, instead of being engineered, fixed for ratings and by people like Ben playing up to the cameras too much. That is the difference.
I like Series 1 to Series 3 differently from Series 4 and 5 (though S3 was the start of the ratings-obssessive phase). Why? Because of the different approach, so I prefer the earlier ones as it wasn't so blatant, on the production team's behalf, what they were upto, and weren't so up themselves following the show's big success. These recent 2 are very good compared to the average reality show, but compared with its earlier ones, it's not near its peak.
That said, I liked tonight's show a lot.
It's an absolute disgrace that somebody as talented as capable as Noorul has been fired as a result of SurAlan's slavish devotion to ratings.
Still, Sugar will live to regret his decision when Noorul's business empire puts him put of business and he is working as a teaboy for Mona's Gay Wedding Catering Company.
Still, Sugar will live to regret his decision when Noorul's business empire puts him put of business and he is working as a teaboy for Mona's Gay Wedding Catering Company.
Originally Posted by Moloko:
“Are you joking? The difference being Raef was deliberately stitched up due to SA "forever changing" criteria of what an apprentice should be, just to save his crown jewel, and also, Raef was one of the few decent people (apart from Sara and Lucinda) from a very bad bunch. He actually did something.
Noorul, on the other hand, has been given countless hints to step up his pace, and for the past few weeks he has been VERY luckily not being called back, as for the past few weeks, the winners of the tasks only rely on the other team's losses or downward moved, and vice versa.
It can be and always has, but the way the producers are trying to entertain us is changing though. It's not boring to see genuinely good non-wannabes competiting for a job, with conflicts and whatnot naturally building, instead of being engineered, fixed for ratings and by people like Ben playing up to the cameras too much. That is the difference.
I like Series 1 to Series 3 differently from Series 4 and 5 (though S3 was the start of the ratings-obssessive phase). Why? Because of the different approach, so I prefer the earlier ones as it wasn't so blatant, on the production team's behalf, what they were upto, and weren't so up themselves following the show's big success. These recent 2 are very good compared to the average reality show, but compared with its earlier ones, it's not near its peak.
That said, I liked tonight's show a lot.”
“Are you joking? The difference being Raef was deliberately stitched up due to SA "forever changing" criteria of what an apprentice should be, just to save his crown jewel, and also, Raef was one of the few decent people (apart from Sara and Lucinda) from a very bad bunch. He actually did something.
Noorul, on the other hand, has been given countless hints to step up his pace, and for the past few weeks he has been VERY luckily not being called back, as for the past few weeks, the winners of the tasks only rely on the other team's losses or downward moved, and vice versa.
It can be and always has, but the way the producers are trying to entertain us is changing though. It's not boring to see genuinely good non-wannabes competiting for a job, with conflicts and whatnot naturally building, instead of being engineered, fixed for ratings and by people like Ben playing up to the cameras too much. That is the difference.
I like Series 1 to Series 3 differently from Series 4 and 5 (though S3 was the start of the ratings-obssessive phase). Why? Because of the different approach, so I prefer the earlier ones as it wasn't so blatant, on the production team's behalf, what they were upto, and weren't so up themselves following the show's big success. These recent 2 are very good compared to the average reality show, but compared with its earlier ones, it's not near its peak.
That said, I liked tonight's show a lot.”
You clearly haven't understood what I said. Firing Raef was the wrong decision, he should have won last year instead of that idiot Lee.
Based on what the show was, if this was Series 1 or 2, Ben would without doubt have gone tonight.
Originally Posted by BlocFFC:
“You clearly haven't understood what I said. Firing Raef was the wrong decision, he should have won last year instead of that idiot Lee.”
“You clearly haven't understood what I said. Firing Raef was the wrong decision, he should have won last year instead of that idiot Lee.”
I agree it was the wrong decision, a VERY wrong decision, which is why I didn't think Noorul's choice, who wasn't even a good candidate in the first place imo, is being compared in the same light.
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