No candidate is universally right or wrong. They are human afterall.

But, the point is that Lorraine is proven right more often than not, which you seem to be disputing. She's certainly been right moreso than Philip.


Perhaps, but he doesnt seem to have any problems working alongside her unlike Lorraine.


She was cursed, but so was everyone else around her for not listening. And I think that was Margaret's point.

And besides, it's better to be wrong on some basis of intelligence/common sense than to be mindlessly, irredeemably wrong.

I think she's long, not short, sighted. The glasses you wear for short sight make your eyes look smaller, as I know from experience-my eyes almost disappear behind my glasses! Lorraine must be long sighted, and I think I have heard that it is more difficult to correct long sight with contact lenses, so she's probably stuck with them.

I quite like her, and I got the impression that SA quite liked her too. He sounded almost paternal when he said "You mustn't let them stop you expressing yourself", or something to that effect.

Yes, that was my point.


I do dispute that. I'd say Lorraine was more right about the rug, Phil was more right about the theme for the advert, and Phil was more right about the fitness product.

Philip also got quite a lot of things right on the recent task, for example. He only undersold 2 items, so he got all the others right. He didn't make Ben's mistake of splitting the items 7:3. His idea of giving one sub-team the modern items and the other, the antiques was reasonable. In general, across all the tasks, he's made sensible comments. Where-as the main other thing I remember Lorraine doing was pitching the fitness product, which she was pretty poor at.


He didn't have a problem working with Lorraine, either. He just didn't accept her claim that the rug was worth a lot.

If they'd lost, who do you think he'd have brought into the boardroom? I suspect it wouldn't have been Lorraine.

Well, then we are agreed.


I entirely disagree that Philip was more right about the advert task that Lorraine.

I'm assumuing you are saying that because Philip's idea was more viable than Lorraine's in your eyes in regards the advert. But the point was (to me) that Philip's concept was flawed and Lorraine was the only one to be offering an alternative - which could have easily been brought in line with the brief and put them on the right tracks. Even if you didnt like her idea, it was important for someone in the team to be saying that Pantsman wouldn't work and to be trying to get them to think of alternatives. It is all about margins of error and Lorraine was just trying to look at the bigger picture, it was not necessary for her to have all the answers herself.

But, I know your feelings on advert task so no need to go over them again.

I agree that Philip was marginally better than Ben, but he still did poorly this week. And his team still made a loss.

Lorraine has never been responsible for her team failing a task.

I think he does have issues with her and that it is personal between them.

If they'd have lost, probably Mona & Lorraine. Maybe Howard. SAS praising Lorraine might have given him the hint not to bring her back.

I'm long-sighted in one eye, and both eyes are gradually going more short-sighted (aparently you can have both problems in the same eye). I can't wear contact lenses because they can't correct the long-sightedness. Yes, the glasses do emphasize the eyes (and wrinkles). However, Lorraine could get glasses that don't look as severe!

She was right to criticise his ideas, and he was right to criticise hers (or both were wrong to criticise, given that it was brain-storming). I don't see a huge difference between them, really. However, we do see Philip have more ideas, and he's better at accepting the criticism and modifying them in the light of it.


Agreed. And it was at least as important that the flaws in Lorraine's idea be pointed out, as they were more serious flaws. It would have been better if both of them had worked constructively to fix up each other's ideas, but neither seemed to do that.


Debate often polarises the issues, and I'm trying to retreat from that. They had so much in common on the advert task that trying to identify either as better obscures more than it reveals.


Agreed. It seems the advert task was lost because they spent so much time on Kimberly's idea that they weren't able to refine either of the alternatives, and weren't able to do a decent box.

I think Philip was largely responsible for winning the fitness task, insofar as it can be put down to a single person. I don't think Lorraine has had much impact on any of the tasks. She's not been project leader yet; it will be interesting to see how she does then.


It looked like their biggest mistake was selling the rug so cheap, and Lorraine did speak against doing that, so it would have been very hard to bring her into the boardroom. He recognise that she was right and he was wrong eventually, albeit too late. I don't think it would have been about Sir Alan's praise.

Mona and Howard could be a good choice. Mona was with him, so he knew what she'd done and could build a case against her. Howard represented the other sub-team. (Presumably if they'd really lost we'd see more of their mistakes.)

The reason I made these comments about how Philip views Lorraine is because he treats her with absolutely no respect. I remember Kimberly saying in an interview that Philip repeatedly told her she shouldn't be friends with Lorraine, as if he she had been singled out as the one to dislike for some reason. But your point is correct - we haven't really seen many of the other women disagreeing with him so perhaps he is always obnoxious when he is disagreed with.

IMO, Lorraine has been accurate and on the ball more often than Phil. The only thing he has done well in is the gym equipment task. A woman doesn't have to be as beautiful as Mona or Kate to be taken seriously - but it probably helps if she does try and make the most of her looks. Phil is a man who admits to wearing make up for goodness sake, so we know how shallow he is!

I bet when she finally turns up on Yr Fired she will look completely different.

Without knowing what he actually said, I wonder if he was just warning that what happened, might happen. Ie that after Kimberly doing her best to support Lorraine during the tasks, Lorraine might turn on her in the boardroom and get her fired. Kimberly seemed quite upset about it at the time, as if she'd been betrayed.

I don't hold this against Lorraine myself, since it's what the game is about, but I could understand if Philip tried to protect Kimberly from her own naivety.

I agree Philip didn't have much respect for Lorraine, I just don't think it's because she's too old or too unattractive. (From where I'm sitting, she isn't either of those things.)

Fair point - but she seems older than the other women left in the show, and comes across as dowdy. Someone compared her to Olive in On the Buses and I understand their reasoning. SHe is not unattractive, per se, but whereas you can see that most of the other women - especially Debra (who is not conventionally pretty), Mona and Kate make the most of themselves - she does not appear to do so. She also looks very miserable which might be understandable if it is true that she is being ostracised by the others.

He was obnoxious and disagreeable with Kimberley as well, so it is not just Lorraine whom he shows disrespect. He is an ignorant bullying oaf who appears to have a bad attitude to working with women. Kimberley spoke about this attitude of the men on the programme after she left, I believe. It is not the first time we have seen his type, either.