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BBCi - Why not give the interactive streams proper channel numbers (like Freeview)
On Freeview the interactive streams are on channels 301 and 302 and can be reached by pressing red from a BBC channel however they are also directly tuneable and can be accessed like any other channel. I have also recently noted that they have EPG lisitings as well so you know whats on what stream and more importantly can set a recording for it.
So why not implement a similar scheme for Freesat and allow us direct access to the 6 or so interactive streams (and also provide EPG listings so we know what streams carrying which events). They could go up in the 900's with the local BBC regions if need be. Just a thought. |
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I can't comment officially because it's not my business. But perhaps one of many possibly reasons is because they would have to pay for each EPG slot?
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I seem to recall that another reason is that with the older versions of MHEG that were used on some Freeview boxes, you needed to have LCNs so that an application could switch to a stream that wasn't on the same mux.
My understanding is that that's not necessary on more recent implementations of MHEG, and so it's not strictly necessary on Freesat. Though most Freeview boxes could manage with hidden streams, I guess they remain visible there for compatibility with older equipment. |
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Maybe because it would add to the number of channels shown in the listing and be confusing to users?
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On Freeview the interactive streams are on channels 301 and 302 and can be reached by pressing red from a BBC channel however they are also directly tuneable and can be accessed like any other channel. I have also recently noted that they have EPG lisitings as well so you know whats on what stream and more importantly can set a recording for it.
So why not implement a similar scheme for Freesat and allow us direct access to the 6 or so interactive streams (and also provide EPG listings so we know what streams carrying which events). They could go up in the 900's with the local BBC regions if need be. Just a thought. |
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Id love to be able to record the F1 in the middle of the night so would like interactive slots to have a number.
Seeing as the BBC own freesat, I doubt they have to charge themselves for a slot. |
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Id love to be able to record the F1 in the middle of the night
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Seeing as the BBC own freesat, I doubt they have to charge themselves for a slot.
Charging themselves a different amount would fall foul of that, and very likely result in a legal challenge from other broadcasters. |
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They would also need a new license for each channel as well as permission from the BBC Trust to launch "new channels".
These interactive channels can be recorded on most non freesat non Sky PVRs where the interactive streams show up as channels "Data stream 1" etc. |
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What's wrong with recording it when it's on?
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They almost certainly will have to, actually. Firstly, it's a joint venture, and secondly, when it comes to issues of EPG access, Ofcom is pretty strict that thing are done on a FRND (Fair, Reasonable, Non Discriminatory) basis.
Charging themselves a different amount would fall foul of that, and very likely result in a legal challenge from other broadcasters. I highly doubt 30k is is stopping them considering their budget. |
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What's wrong with recording it when it's on?
I don't believe the practise sessions are repeated, however qualifying and the race always are when the race is held in the early hours. |
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I e-mailed the BBC interactive team last night with a slightly abridged version of my opening post and received the following reply:-
Hi Richard, Thank you for your email. This is something that our technical development teams are definitely looking at. Unfortunately, we cannot achieve it in the short-term as there are a number of technical, editorial and financial considerations to be taken into account. Kind regards, <name removed> BBC Sports Interactive |
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They would also need a new license for each channel as well as permission from the BBC Trust to launch "new channels".
These interactive channels can be recorded on most non freesat non Sky PVRs where the interactive streams show up as channels "Data stream 1" etc. |
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What I find frustrating is that the Humax PVR appears to be made to ignore the interactive channels when a scan is done in Non Freesat mode.
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