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That cheeky idiot... Ben!
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-N34
06-05-2009
Sitting there quietly not saying anything. AND OMG HE GOT SENT BACK. I WANTED HIM TO BE FIRED.
JTW
06-05-2009
His new name should be called weasel. He certainly manages to weasel himself out of any situation.
smartie 33
06-05-2009
Ben isn't my favourite but try and be fair! The problem with this task is Phil and Kate who just can't be bothered.
shakeyershammy
06-05-2009
Ben's time will come. Glad it was Phillip tonight to be honest, that guy is so far up his own arse it's unreal. For once, Suralan chose correctly.
-N34
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by smartie 33:
“Ben isn't my favourite but try and be fair! The problem with this task is Phil and Kate who just can't be bothered.”


But it looked like he didn't contribute at all throughout the task. Sir Alan probably would have bought that up if Lorraine Phil and Kate wern't killing each other. Oh well, he'll get his in the end, they always do.
proudloiner
06-05-2009
Ben is not the reason they lost and tonight he did not deserve to be fired. Glad Phil went.
Muttley76
06-05-2009
sometimes people let their hatred get in the way of logic...this is a good example. Ben did perform better than both Kate and Philip, so there is no way he should have been taken back in to the boardroom. He also DID state his case, and once Lorraine conceeded he had set up the meeting, he was wise to not involve himself further really. It doesn't make him cheeky or an idiot. Quite the opposite actually.

I don't like the guy either, but fairs fair...
Doofer
06-05-2009
No sales, no future
JTW
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“sometimes people let their hatred get in the way of logic...this is a good example. Ben did perform better than both Kate and Philip, so there is no way he should have been taken back in to the boardroom. He also DID state his case, and once Lorraine conceeded he had set up the meeting, he was wise to not involve himself further really. It doesn't make him cheeky or an idiot. Quite the opposite actually.

I don't like the guy either, but fairs fair...”

In this instance where Ben is concerned, I agree with you. He got it right this week and is perhaps catching on when to say something and when to be quiet. He's still a weasel though
Agent F
06-05-2009
Kate and Phillip performed worst so it was a good decision by Lorraine. Yasmina had sold and Ben had made the appointment which helped Lorraine make an order. Phil and Kate did nothing of use.
JTW
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Kate and Phillip performed worst so it was a good decision by Lorraine. Yasmina had sold and Ben had made the appointment which helped Lorraine make an order. Phil and Kate did nothing of use.”

Logically that was the best situation. However, I think on a personal level, it suited Lorraine. She had a bit of a bitch earlier on in the programme about Phil and Kate and I'm sure she's well satisfied with herself that she survived this week.............and split up Kate and Phil in the process.
Tern
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“Logically that was the best situation. However, I think on a personal level, it suited Lorraine. She had a bit of a bitch earlier on in the programme about Phil and Kate and I'm sure she's well satisfied with herself that she survived this week.............and split up Kate and Phil in the process.”

Yes, she did a very good job.

No moral problems because what she said was absolutely true and very, very, relevant. God, even Philip admitted his distraction caused him to under perform.
Tissy
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“Logically that was the best situation. However, I think on a personal level, it suited Lorraine. She had a bit of a bitch earlier on in the programme about Phil and Kate and I'm sure she's well satisfied with herself that she survived this week.............and split up Kate and Phil in the process.”

I think AS would have split those two up regardless, no room for romances on TA !. Phillip would have dragged Kate down and I have a feeling AS considers Kate to be one of his top candidates this year.
JTW
06-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“I think AS would have split those two up regardless, no room for romances on TA !. Phillip would have dragged Kate down and I have a feeling AS considers Kate to be one of his top candidates this year.”

To be honest, I've not been the least bit interested in the 'relationship' that developed between Kate and Phil. I've thought Kate to be a strong contender from the start.....and thought Phil as a bit of a prat. That said, I felt what he said about Lorraine was true. However, he was far too emotional and hot-headed and didn't consider for a minute that she had the ace card by having got sales and he didn't. Phil was probably the right person to go tonight, but it doesn't make Lorraine likeable or right in bringing a personal vendetta to the boardroom. If SA was to find out himself by other means, it would surely have been more palatable than one of their own team members exposing them.
Willie Wontie
07-05-2009
Of the three brought back tonight, Philip was the right one to go. Kate hadn't put a foot wrong before tonight (excluding the sandwich pitching debacle), Lorraine has been proved right where Philip has been wrong for the past two weeks (Pants Man and the value of the rug) and Philip didn't contribute anything good to tonight's task - except riding the bike up and down the bike shop floor, which still didn't achieve any sales.

What really let the whole side down though was the choice of those two really shite products - the cardboard fire engine and the pouch which tipped your bike over. How they achieved any sales at all of those two things is incredible - and it was Lorraine who chose those two things (and made a point of saying she didn't like the elephant's g-string, which did look like a sellable product). The Lover's Lead compared with the cat activity centre was Philip's gym equipment to Ben's cardboard box with wires sticking out of it. So maybe she could have gone for that - but she did achieve some sales, none of Philip, Kate or Ben achieved any. And SAS did say that each competitor's sales would make the decision - so it was always going to be somebody who didn't make any sales at all who was going to go.
scofield
07-05-2009
Give him a break, you'd be still whinging if he actually spoke in the boardroom. He just can't win, He and James are my new favorite contestants, and hope one of them wins.
Tern
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“but it doesn't make Lorraine likeable or right in bringing a personal vendetta to the boardroom.”

It wasn't a personal vendetta.

It was a plain fact, pertinant to the failure of the task.

Even Philip admitted as much.
JTW
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“It wasn't a personal vendetta.

It was a plain fact, pertinant to the failure of the task.

Even Philip admitted as much.”

The facts should have been to do with performance and sales without resorting to attacking two people who like and get on with each other. In real life, there's thousands of people who meet at work and end up together. However, I do think that it was unfortunate for them that they didn't manage to sell, because had they done so, Lorraine would've been the one out the door as a poor PM. She had a lucky escape this week and all thanks to using Phil and Kate's relationship against them. I doubt it would have had the same impact had she just said that they didn't sell and left it at that.
smartie 33
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by -N34:
“But it looked like he didn't contribute at all throughout the task. Sir Alan probably would have bought that up if Lorraine Phil and Kate wern't killing each other. Oh well, he'll get his in the end, they always do.”

He would have hammered down the point that he got her a lead for the biggest [pet retailer in the Uk and she only sold 50 boxes. Phil and Kate did absolutely nothing. Also, from a strategic point of view it was good for Lorraine to let Suralan see that Kate was not as professional on this task as she normally is - and that she had been having a relationship with another contestant. I know peole are slagging her off for this, but I can't see why.

Hopefully, Ben will go quite soon. Though he seems to have quietened down in the last two weeks. He hasn't even mentioned Sandhurst - so he must be feeling under the weather!
davedub
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by smartie 33:
“Ben isn't my favourite but try and be fair! The problem with this task is Phil and Kate who just can't be bothered.”

defo at least ben put the effort in (still dont like him tho)
robbies_gal
07-05-2009
bens an idiot but he did one thing and that was to set up pets at home for lorraine on that basis she couldnt bring him back

hopefully he will gone oon though his card is marked
smartie 33
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“The facts should have been to do with performance and sales without resorting to attacking two people who like and get on with each other. In real life, there's thousands of people who meet at work and end up together. However, I do think that it was unfortunate for them that they didn't manage to sell, because had they done so, Lorraine would've been the one out the door as a poor PM. She had a lucky escape this week and all thanks to using Phil and Kate's relationship against them. I doubt it would have had the same impact had she just said that they didn't sell and left it at that.”

I think Phil would have gone anyway. He was too venomous against Lorraine, and then he started criticisng Suralan for sticking up for her. Reminded me of a 10 year old arguing with his teacher. "It's not fair - you always stick up for Lorraine!" What a baby! The moment he went down this line, he was out. Quite clearly Margaret can't stand him. If he had actually bothered to sell, then perhaps he might have stayed but he didn't. He was pants, man!
Agent Krycek
07-05-2009
Much as I dislike Ben, both him and Yasmina, and to an extent Kate played it exactly right. Once Phillip had gone into 'protect Kate' mode and allowed his dislike of Lorraine to take over I'd have done exactly what Ben did and lay low. Yasmina clearly has problems with Lorraine, but supported her in the boardroom, Kate didn't attack Lorraine, just defended herself, and, crucially, never singled out Phillip or attempted to defend him.

Phillip bascially got himself fired last night, he may have gone anyway, but his tatics were a disaster
Tern
07-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“The facts should have been to do with performance and sales without resorting to attacking two people who like and get on with each other.”

Can you at least try and live in the real world?

As PM Lorraine was responsible for explaining to AS why they failed at the task.

As even Philip admitted that his distraction was part of the problem she was absolutely correct to bring it up.
Sweet FA
07-05-2009
The right people were brought into the boardroom. Even if Lorraine hadn't mentioned the relationship I think Philip, quite rightly, would have been fired anyway. The clue was the emphasis Sralan placed on the order books.

Ben at least made some calls.
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