Okay, this wasn't aimed at me. But surely people can be hate-filled to one person while still fancying another. Some of the biggest tyrants in history still had partners (not that I am comparing you to a tyrant for one minute - I would like to make that clear).


Yes - all of those traits you have attributed to Kate are true. She is an excellent candidate (last nights task notwithstanding, but everyone should be allowed one bad week, particularly if they have performed consistently well beforehand). However, none of those attributes necessarily make her a nice person do they?


Don't you think it's a bit rude to suggest that someone has nothing intelligent to say just because they don't agree with you? Maybe you didn't mean it to sound so patronising, but just because you perceive Mona a particular way, doesn't make it so. Same with my perception of Kate. I only started this thread in response to people going on about how beautiful Kate was - which I didn't agree with. I accept that some people will think she is - I don't.

u need a cold shower mate

Pure speculation. No-one knows how Kate would have reacted. I personally doubt that Yasmina would have failed to make any sales at all, but that's just pure speculation. And however Yasmina felt about Lorraine, they certainly seemed on good terms afterwards.

Going back to the topic of the thread - 'beautiful' Kate. Most ppl i talk to don't think she is attractive. They think she must be quite plain to go shovelling all that muck on her face. As for intelligent - example please? So far this year's candidates are very poor, not-so-beautiful Kate included.

1) Stupid

Her pitch to the advertisers advertised nothing but her stupidity.

2) Aggressive
Her behaviour to her team members in the first task was aggressive, as was her behaviour to a customer.

3) Unprincipled
Her behaviour in the first boardroom was unprincipled. She was prepared to make any desperate accusation whether valid or not in her attempts to survive.

4) Selfish
She is utterly self-obsessed and she would walk over a burning team mate if there was a bonus the other side. She seems to offer no consideration of others.

5) Ugly
This has more to do with the expression of her character than the innate physical form. I cannot detach someone's looks from the expressions and articulation of the physical form.

6) Self-obsessed
Her willingness to dismiss others and the terms she uses to describe her behaviour all point to an extreme level of self-obsession and self-delusional

7) Charmless
Her social interaction style is charmless and her willingness to attack her fellow team mates detracts enormously from any measure of charm. She is devoid of social graces and engaging character traits.

8) Shallow
She has yet to express anything remotely intelligent or perceptive. The only thing which she comments upon are things relating to her self advantage.

9) Unsophisticated
The quality of her expression and the meanings within these expressions suggest she is very primitive in her thinking. Her pitch to the advertisers more than confirmed this.

These are nothing more than the very biased personal opinions of someone who has demonstrated a vitriolic hatred for the target of the assesments.

I find them very sad - and a little creepy.

Certainly we all get annoyed by one or two faults in candidates (or, maybe three in the case of Mr Sophocles) but to take the time to come up with a character asassination such as the one above strikes me as evidence of a very disturbed mind.

Yes, it was a bad pitch. I think she showed that she is obviously to pitch well though, by the sales she made the following day.

Yes, her behaviour towards a customer in the first task was unnecessarily aggressive (although she got the job she was pitching for anyway). I don't recall her being aggressive to team mates though.


I don't remember that. For what it's worth, I don't think Annita should have been fired that week - I thought Debra should have gone. I don't see any difference between Mona's BR performance that week and that of most other candidates.

Based on what?

Fair enough. What if you just saw a picture of each one and had nothing else to go on? (Which was kind of what I was saying, although obviously it is now a hypothetical question.)


When did she dismiss others? And how does she describe her behaviour? (A genuine question, because I have not seen her describe her behaviour.)


Her interaction with others is not the best, I'll agree. But she may be able to make up for it in other areas. When has she attacked her team mates? Apart from the first week, when she had a go at Anita and Debra in the boardroom (and she was quite right - Debra did call some of the others 'muppets' and then denied doing so). Again, everyone behaves that way in the boardroom - it's pretty much expected in the context of the show (not in actual business).


I have a different perception.


I don't really understand what you're saying. Why keep on about the pitch to the advertisers, which didn't really go well for either team (although Lorraine and Yasmina sold something at least). She sold to loads of people the following day - which Kate, despite apparently being articulate and intelligent, failed to do.

i find her very average looking.

i think yasmina's much prettier tbh and mona's pretty too.

poor lorraine (lol)

I find Kate attractive. She looks like she could be in a girl band.

I find Yasmina, and Mona both have attractive qualities about them, but my favourite was Paula. She was attractive, ellegant, quietly self-assured and had a great sense of humour. Looks coupled with personality always do it for me.

Mind you I wouldn't kick Lorraine out of bed, but I am desperate at the moment

I find Kate a bit ordinary looking, although she does make the most of her looks. As far as personality is concerned, I don't like her at all, but I do think she is very cool headed and could be a good choice of apprentice for Sir Alan.

I don't particularly like Mona either (in fact thinking about it James is the only likeable contestant in my view). However I do think Mona is very pretty, and I think she did a good job negotiating and closing the deal last night. However her interactions with the rest of the team mean she probably isn't such a good choice apprentice wise

Yasmina is, I think the best candidate, and quite pretty. Although I'm not bowled over by her personality I do think I would trust her more than the other women (and most of the men).

I agree with the previous post that Paula was probably the person I would be most happy to work with/for.

Kates okay but not really my type of woman- too much make up, orange, annoying voice, long horsey face, white white teeth. Monas much better looking, Paula was really good looking aswell, think it was the curly red hair that did it for me

I don't think Kate is stand-out attractive, and - if I liked women - she wouldn't really be my type. Quite heavy on the makeup! She reminds me a little of those people in Debenham's who sell Bobbi Brown et al and spray perfumes at you until you faint.

I also thought Paula reasonably attractive though I can't quite see the attraction of Mona, despite her lovely eyes.

Yasmina appears to have an attractive personality. But she could do with doing a little more with her hair I feel.

Yasmina is very attractive I think. I like her confidence too.

That's not as surprising as it may seem.....SWEEPING GENERALISATION ALERT.......deep down, all men want to be bossed around and/or want their mums
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Of the women, Kate comes across the best so far - arguably the most attractive of them, puts herself across well and generally seems to keep out of the bitching (at least until desperate Lorraine spilled the beans on her thing with the Philth)... Whether she's got tons of make up on or not, she does have nice eyes, and a warm personality

She just seems to be more positive than the others, not looking for excuses and faults in others all the time (whereas Lorraine and Phil were planning their boardroom speeches at the start of each task!).

Mona is just chugging along under the radar so far, although it is possible that could change next week, by all accounts Not particularly attractive, but I guess it depends what floats your boat...

People have different tastes in what is attractive. Kate is certainly the most attractive for me, though I also like Yasmina and Debra, and did like Kimberley. (I might have got to like Paula but we really didn't get to see much of her). Mona comes across as too dull for me to find her attractive; her voice has a rather lifeless quality. Of course, that may be an unfair assessment, but it's how she strikes me.

Dear oh dear. At no stage did I say I hated her. I don't think I ever have those sorts of feelings for anyone. I just regard Mona as stupid, contemptible, mean-spirited, and a poor example of a human being ( and all of the things I mentioned above )

A lot of things strike you, most of them incorrect, so your opinion is of no consequence. Whereas, I despair at your perceptive and critical faculties and look forward to you exercising some objectivity with regard to Mona when the evidence mounts up against her and you ditch your evident bias and refrain from desperate and invalid attempts to support her with specious points and flawed evidence.

I sort of agree, but never knew that the Banana Splits was a Girl Band.

If you don't hate Mona, and still describe her the way you did - I would be very worried about seeing how you described someone you did hate!

Btw - you mentioned Mona turning on her friends...isn't that exactly what Kate did in the boardroom to Philip - who was her closest friend out of everyone?

On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give them all one

Sheesh, you must be if you'd go for Lorraine. Why not go for Anita "Bo Selecta" Shah as well while you're about it

Kate is far too artificial for my liking, I'd imagine she is very plain in the morning before trowelling on the makeup.

Kimberley is my favourite, she is very pretty naturally.

Kate is pretty. But looks like half the women in my local high street.

Mona absolutely stunningly beautiful.

Lorraine if she got a new haircut, colour waxed her eyebrows and got new glasses I think would be pretty. She has a good figure. While Kate grooms herself to perfection Lorraine is at the other end of the radar with regards grooming.

Yasmina is quirky pretty.

Debra makes the best of herself but her mouth is so small.

Of course I can really judge as I'm such a supermodel myself

All this debate about the womens' looks reminds me of that old joke about the publican and the three potential new barmaids.

"Which one got the job?"
"The one with the biggest tit$"

Surely all candidates are selfish? That's the point of the show. May the best man or woman win. There can be only one winner.


(well technically there can be two as Sugar hired Michelle and Ruth from the earlier series... but we don't mention that)

Regarding the look of the candidates - Lorraine could look so much better if she had a makeover. Her glasses do her no favours. I'm sure she could look better with a new hairstyle, possibly contact lenses etc. Kate seems to make an effort which does count for something on a reality tv show!



I do wish Kate's mother would stop posting here!

Kate would be an excellent candidate for a 'makeunder' on Snog Marry Avoid on BBC3. It'll be interesting to see what she looks like when she eventually appears on 'Fired' (or maybe 'Hired' ) The candidates sometimes look really different to how they appeared on the Apprentice, once the BBC studio make-up artists get to them. I particularly remember last years Irish Jennifer 'I'm the best salesperson in Europe'. She always wore very vivid lipstick usually in fuchsia, and when she appeared on Fired she was made up in 'nude' colours and looked like a different person!