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omnidirectional
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by benriggers1987:
“Speaking of Heart, on their TV channel I've realised that on the music videos they show, they don't use the soundtrack from that particular video. Instead they use the audio from the actual song (which you hear on radio etc..) Example: I saw Ray Parker Jr's Ghostbusters yesterday. When the various 80s celebrities pop up doing the catchphrase "Ghostbusters!", their lines have been removed so you can only hear the backing singers. You can still see them though.”

I think they do that on older videos to improve the sound quality. Some of the older tracks on other channels sound very poor in comparison as they use the video's original audio.
kezo
03-11-2014
Maybe slightly off topic but in relation to "audio" - does anyone remember when "the box" had these issues? The audio be out of sync with the video playing (you knew then as well the system buggered up in process!)
matwood
03-11-2014
Giving this Tap The App a go... Planet Pop seem to like Lisa214 a lot...!
linkinpark875
03-11-2014
Seems to have been a good week for music channels CSC Dance got 1.0, The Vault, MTV Rocks up high too.

Planet Pop was another high performer.
Sylvester2007
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“I was in primary school and I was starting to get interested in computers and technology. 1999 is also the same year Britney came out first. Coincidence, huh? I think my lecturer belongs more to the equality brigade. I don't think she's a feminist type or she doesn't appear to be that type anyway. I saw that about the T-shirts. Disgusting ”

Obviously Britney's secret researcher of what students want, since 1999.

Not surprised about the T-Shirts. I sent them an email to ask them if equality stretches as far as Mauritius or are they only thinking about their own needs. No reply, surprisingly.

Originally Posted by kezo:
“LOL .... I think we shouldn't be that surprised by these channels - they are that quick these days to throw the 70's 80's under the bus and move onto the 90's, I just wish we had a way we had more "nostalgia" channels but that aint going to happen

thats true they only care about £££'s but MTV should feel more guilty to be running teleshopping on all their channels compared to their competitor Bauer - they are at least doing something!

Christmas on Heart - 2 November and thats a channel started”

Too many similar channels, a lot of which will be turning Christmas soon.

Bauer seem to be getting their teleshopping money from Beyonce and Justin Timberlake's record labels looking at thow much they play both.

Originally Posted by matwood:
“Giving this Tap The App a go... Planet Pop seem to like Lisa214 a lot...!”

They don't like me much.

It's clear it needs adjusting as the same people get plays and they must be selecting the same songs numerous times over and over. They need to put in some sort of limit to votes for same songs and how often they get played. Even I don't do that with Cascada on Clubland. I select one, wait for that song to play, select another.....it appears on Planet Pop you can select the same song repeatedly, it gets played, then select another song repeatedly, it gets played and so on and then do the same songs again....it's all 5SOS, 1D, Bieber, Sheeran and the odd other song, usually a male solo artist or boyband.
Sylvester2007
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Seems to have been a good week for music channels CSC Dance got 1.0, The Vault, MTV Rocks up high too.

Planet Pop was another high performer.”

Half term, probably.

We now know what channels the kids get down too.
linkinpark875
03-11-2014
How did Halloween do out of interest? Did any channels go ad free or do Halloween music? I only glanced at some doing some Halloween party music was all chart stuff.
Sylvester2007
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“How did Halloween do out of interest? Did any channels go ad free or do Halloween music? I only glanced at some doing some Halloween party music was all chart stuff.”

Didn't watch much of it. Didn't see any ad free channels and it was all the same songs - Jacko, Neyo, Take That (?) etc.

Most channels were playing non Halloween songs and just calling them 'Monster' classics or hits.
kezo
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“

Too many similar channels, a lot of which will be turning Christmas soon.

Bauer seem to be getting their teleshopping money from Beyonce and Justin Timberlake's record labels looking at thow much they play both.



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The Bauer channels will follow suit soon I guess - Christmas songs will be basically thrown in with songs of today!


VH1 - The Greatest Voices of.... featured Elton John/Kate Bush/Pink

in todays heat news: NEW MUSIC - Cheryl's track is out (who cares!) - she mimes for a living - Kardashians - one of them has 14k followers - kardashians - the other 2 have flopped books (well thats a bit of good in my book) good grief even the music/celeb news these days must be wearing thin....thank god they don't have a "breaking news" segment!

I don't think these channels do "ad free" even for Halloween - bad enough for them to do it for New Years!
Sylvester2007
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by kezo:
“The Bauer channels will follow suit soon I guess - Christmas songs will be basically thrown in with songs of today!


VH1 - The Greatest Voices of.... featured Elton John/Kate Bush/Pink

in todays heat news: NEW MUSIC - Cheryl's track is out (who cares!) - she mimes for a living - Kardashians - one of them has 14k followers - kardashians - the other 2 have flopped books (well thats a bit of good in my book) good grief even the music/celeb news these days must be wearing thin....thank god they don't have a "breaking news" segment!”

Bauer are usually last - Magic is first of their channels.

Not seen VH1 today, but they repeat that like the do everything else.

I think Kardashian is 14m.....also Rita Ora apparently tweeted that if she gets 100k followers she'll release a new single, thankfully she only got 2k retweets, deleted her tweet and said she's been hacked....epic fail, Rita!

Clubland are so boring right now. All the tracks from Clubland 26 on repeat, yet they aren't advertising it on their app even though it's out now . Still advertising Clubland 25. Amateur.
omnidirectional
03-11-2014
VH1 is so poor at the moment, it's no wonder the "In Love With 2014" filler slot is the top rated 'show' in the latest BARB figures. The same old Power Ballad chart is on nearly every day, and the breakfast 'Rise and Shine' slot has completely changed from recent, lively tunes to slow tracks from Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Westlife... "Depression Session" would be a better name.
kezo
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“VH1 is so poor at the moment, it's no wonder the "In Love With 2014" filler slot is the top rated 'show' in the latest BARB figures. The same old Power Ballad chart is on nearly every day, and the breakfast 'Rise and Shine' slot has completely changed from recent, lively tunes to slow tracks from Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Westlife... "Depression Session" would be a better name.”

its alright come New Years VH1 will still be partying all the way through Spring/start of Summer next year
kezo
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Bauer are usually last - Magic is first of their channels.

Not seen VH1 today, but they repeat that like the do everything else.

I think Kardashian is 14m.....also Rita Ora apparently tweeted that if she gets 100k followers she'll release a new single, thankfully she only got 2k retweets, deleted her tweet and said she's been hacked....epic fail, Rita!

Clubland are so boring right now. All the tracks from Clubland 26 on repeat, yet they aren't advertising it on their app even though it's out now . Still advertising Clubland 25. Amateur.”

You think they be the first - they must wait and see if any of the other channels have better graphics(?) .... oh well maybe this year The Box will have a better "happy christmas" ?

VH1 - was merely on the passing, its just blooming MTV ad central on there! ... New Geordie Shore on MTV ... yes thanks VH1 you make me feel so out of place on that channel when you inflict those ads on me!

Rita Ora lol ... Kardashians

I caught a bit of "booty" with Iggy/JLO - wtf is the obsession of "booty" - we already got Minaj with "anaconda" ..... I hope Sir Mix A Lot is getting royalties off this song! (original was WAY better)

Remember I mentioned that Bump n Grind 2014 remix? It actually sounds more like Nightcrawlers "push the feeling on"
Sylvester2007
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by kezo:
“You think they be the first - they must wait and see if any of the other channels have better graphics(?) .... oh well maybe this year The Box will have a better "happy christmas" ?

VH1 - was merely on the passing, its just blooming MTV ad central on there! ... New Geordie Shore on MTV ... yes thanks VH1 you make me feel so out of place on that channel when you inflict those ads on me!

Rita Ora lol ... Kardashians

I caught a bit of "booty" with Iggy/JLO - wtf is the obsession of "booty" - we already got Minaj with "anaconda" ..... I hope Sir Mix A Lot is getting royalties off this song! (original was WAY better)

Remember I mentioned that Bump n Grind 2014 remix? It actually sounds more like Nightcrawlers "push the feeling on" ”

Talking of The Box - what's that chat show, tweet show on The Box? Two presenters....looks so amateur.

VH1 is in a state - Cake programme back on again?

Did you like Iggy/Jlo? It's woeful.

That Bump n Grind is meant to be doing well in the charts

MTV Classic just played - What Hurts The Most - Cascada, on 'Big in 2007'
kezo
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Talking of The Box - what's that chat show, tweet show on The Box? Two presenters....looks so amateur.

VH1 is in a state - Cake programme back on again?

Did you like Iggy/Jlo? It's woeful.

That Bump n Grind is meant to be doing well in the charts

MTV Classic just played - What Hurts The Most - Cascada, on 'Big in 2007' ”

4Music today - "tweet and beat" - start of show a "top 10" with Jessie J - Domino, returned say 10 mins later the 4Music DOG was on but the "tweet and beat" was off it just looked like songs on rota (presumably its meant to be a versus according to the VM guide today Jessie J v Taylor Swift

VH1 - Cake programme again? I must have missed that

Iggy/JLO - god no I can't stand it, just seen end of vid on one of the MTV channels left wandering WTF - can these videos be restricted to night time, I grew up where vids like that and Nicki Minaj was at least after 9pm, these days its a joke/mockery in my mind!

I gave the song a proper listen (bump n grind) but I ended up singing in my head Nightcrawlers
cnbcwatcher
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Obviously Britney's secret researcher of what students want, since 1999.

Not surprised about the T-Shirts. I sent them an email to ask them if equality stretches as far as Mauritius or are they only thinking about their own needs. No reply, surprisingly.”

Haha maybe How do we know though? Is there something we don't know about her? I found a photo of her at the law students' graduation two weeks ago (my graduation, but I skipped it. I spent my time instead on the internet ). I wanted to see what she looked like wearing an academic gown. Now I know! I guess I'm not surprised they didn't reply. They probably can't answer that one
kezo
05-11-2014
Programme called Big Fat Hits - I was under the assumption it was going to play say 3 songs in a row .... ended up basically Nicki Minaj - Anaconda (the extended x rated video)

MTV Dance 90's v 00s v 10's "dance off"
VH1 - not much new!
Sylvester2007
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by kezo:
“4Music today - "tweet and beat" - start of show a "top 10" with Jessie J - Domino, returned say 10 mins later the 4Music DOG was on but the "tweet and beat" was off it just looked like songs on rota (presumably its meant to be a versus according to the VM guide today Jessie J v Taylor Swift

VH1 - Cake programme again? I must have missed that

Iggy/JLO - god no I can't stand it, just seen end of vid on one of the MTV channels left wandering WTF - can these videos be restricted to night time, I grew up where vids like that and Nicki Minaj was at least after 9pm, these days its a joke/mockery in my mind!

I gave the song a proper listen (bump n grind) but I ended up singing in my head Nightcrawlers ”

4music sometimes do those tweet shows, but not sure how reliable they are as to whether the right songs are played.

Yeah, i'm no prude, far far from it and i'm all for a lot of things, but I am getting fed up with the blanket coverage of songs with sex, bad language, violence etc in it. They know it sells and it makes lesser talented artists sell records they couldn't sell on ability alone.

Nightcrawlers/Vibe - Not listed to Vibe enough to compare. I heard it a couple of times and despaired.

Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Haha maybe How do we know though? Is there something we don't know about her? I found a photo of her at the law students' graduation two weeks ago (my graduation, but I skipped it. I spent my time instead on the internet ). I wanted to see what she looked like wearing an academic gown. Now I know! I guess I'm not surprised they didn't reply. They probably can't answer that one ”

Did she look like Britney in 'Not a Girl'?

The problem is, a lot of these institutions will break a lot of other morale codes and ethics to get what they want.

It's like Beyonce, Gaga and Taylor Swift - Feminists or support this and that cause - errrr, no - they support their own ego's and careers and will do whatever it takes to be noticed.

It's officially Britney day in Vegas - One Hour programme on Vault twice today. Not on anywhere else.

Had it been Beyonce, 1D, Rihanna, Katy Perry etc, we'd have been forced by MTV and Bauer to listen to them all day.

Originally Posted by kezo:
“Programme called Big Fat Hits - I was under the assumption it was going to play say 3 songs in a row .... ended up basically Nicki Minaj - Anaconda (the extended x rated video)

MTV Dance 90's v 00s v 10's "dance off"
VH1 - not much new!”

They weren't lying, it was Big Fat Hits - Minaj's Big Fat Arse

Recored MTV Dance to see if they played any Cascada, now that Clubland has turned crap again. They've got rid of Classix again and have the same handful of tracks on Clubland 26 album on rotate. That said, I notice on Bangers and Crackers they have a mixed bag today - 2 Cascada selections available, so will see if ~I can get them played,
cnbcwatcher
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Did she look like Britney in 'Not a Girl'?

The problem is, a lot of these institutions will break a lot of other morale codes and ethics to get what they want.

It's like Beyonce, Gaga and Taylor Swift - Feminists or support this and that cause - errrr, no - they support their own ego's and careers and will do whatever it takes to be noticed.

It's officially Britney day in Vegas - One Hour programme on Vault twice today. Not on anywhere else.

Had it been Beyonce, 1D, Rihanna, Katy Perry etc, we'd have been forced by MTV and Bauer to listen to them all day.”

Sadly no She looked very serious and dare I say it a bit bored. She wasn't wearing a low cut dress either so I've lost the bet. There goes my 20 quid I saw her around yesterday but once again she didn't see me. I'm planning to go to her office either this week or sometime next week. I might go next week. A friend of mine who claimed he hated her said last night he was gonna try and get her sacked and that she would end up living on the streets and living off food stamps I started to cry and he then admitted he was only joking and that he liked her really.

I don't mind some of Beyonce's music (her last album and some of her singles are decent pop songs) but I find her extremely annoying as a person. I heard about Britney Day and I was gonna have a bit of a celebration of my own I'm not wearing my Britney T-shirt today though as that's saved for classes with my favourite lecturer Is the show on The Vault just old Britney videos?
kezo
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“4music sometimes do those tweet shows, but not sure how reliable they are as to whether the right songs are played.

Yeah, i'm no prude, far far from it and i'm all for a lot of things, but I am getting fed up with the blanket coverage of songs with sex, bad language, violence etc in it. They know it sells and it makes lesser talented artists sell records they couldn't sell on ability alone.

Nightcrawlers/Vibe - Not listed to Vibe enough to compare. I heard it a couple of times and despaired.

They weren't lying, it was Big Fat Hits - Minaj's Big Fat Arse

Recored MTV Dance to see if they played any Cascada, now that Clubland has turned crap again. They've got rid of Classix again and have the same handful of tracks on Clubland 26 album on rotate. That said, I notice on Bangers and Crackers they have a mixed bag today - 2 Cascada selections available, so will see if ~I can get them played,”


I think usually 4Music are OK with whats getting played obviously someone put the system in wrong "mode"

I'm the same I don't mind it but its getting to the stage now I do really/can't be that bothered with it all - why treat a generation that grew up round MTV where videos were "restricted" but these days its more like a free for all

I gave that song at least a listen but just surprised - I wonder if Nightcrawlers should sue

You caught it? I thought it was a joke when it came on but just showing the extended x rated video was surprised (as the NEXT thing appeared)

MTV Dance is becoming a pointless channel to me - should really say nearly all of them are, I do despair as what direction they are heading in
Sylvester2007
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Sadly no She looked very serious and dare I say it a bit bored. She wasn't wearing a low cut dress either so I've lost the bet. There goes my 20 quid I saw her around yesterday but once again she didn't see me. I'm planning to go to her office either this week or sometime next week. I might go next week. A friend of mine who claimed he hated her said last night he was gonna try and get her sacked and that she would end up living on the streets and living off food stamps I started to cry and he then admitted he was only joking and that he liked her really.

I don't mind some of Beyonce's music (her last album and some of her singles are decent pop songs) but I find her extremely annoying as a person. I heard about Britney Day and I was gonna have a bit of a celebration of my own I'm not wearing my Britney T-shirt today though as that's saved for classes with my favourite lecturer Is the show on The Vault just old Britney videos?”

Get her to sign up to the Planet Pop and Clubland Apps. That way she can have some fun selecting some tunes that will impress the campus.

Beyonce for me is incredibly overrated. Well, so far, 20 minutes in and the newest tune is Hold It Against Me. The newest Britney song i've seen on there is Scream & Shout. Nothing from 2013 onwards (I know S&S was a 2013 number 1, but it was a 2012 release)

Originally Posted by kezo:
“I think usually 4Music are OK with whats getting played obviously someone put the system in wrong "mode"

I'm the same I don't mind it but its getting to the stage now I do really/can't be that bothered with it all - why treat a generation that grew up round MTV where videos were "restricted" but these days its more like a free for all

I gave that song at least a listen but just surprised - I wonder if Nightcrawlers should sue

You caught it? I thought it was a joke when it came on but just showing the extended x rated video was surprised (as the NEXT thing appeared)

MTV Dance is becoming a pointless channel to me - should really say nearly all of them are, I do despair as what direction they are heading in”

Lazy music, lazy programming, lazy channels.

I hear so many songs that sound like rip offs. It wouldn't surprise me if one of The Nightcrawlers ended up being a producer or something.

No, didn't see it, but just thought Big Fat Hits with Minaj's Big Fat Backside was fitting. Another artist who's lack of ability means she needs and x rated vid to keep current.

MTV Dance is woeful now. All the dance channels have gone downhill fast.
cnbcwatcher
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Get her to sign up to the Planet Pop and Clubland Apps. That way she can have some fun selecting some tunes that will impress the campus.

Beyonce for me is incredibly overrated. Well, so far, 20 minutes in and the newest tune is Hold It Against Me. The newest Britney song i've seen on there is Scream & Shout. Nothing from 2013 onwards (I know S&S was a 2013 number 1, but it was a 2012 release)


No, didn't see it, but just thought Big Fat Hits with Minaj's Big Fat Backside was fitting. Another artist who's lack of ability means she needs and x rated vid to keep current.”

And how would I go about doing that?! I saw her earlier but once again she didn't see me. According to a friend of mine she was talking about me in a class she was teaching. I don't believe that as I wasn't there. Maybe she's given me a sign that I need to go to her office. She told a friend of mine that if she summons me to her office I'm supposed to bring a ruler so she can "correct" me I think I know what that means! I had a few visions of her that I won't mention on here as they're less than clean

Were you watching Britney on The Vault? It sounds like it! Hold It Against Me is from 2011. So they haven't played Ooh La La, Work Bitch and Perfume, which are all 2013 songs? She released nothing this year but a couple of unreleased songs leaked but I don't know if that counts. Overrated is definitely a word I would use to describe Beyonce. Some people seem to think she's the queen or princess of pop and that she's the second coming of music when nothing could be further than the truth.

at your comment on Nicki Minaj! I can't stand her, but I did like her song Super Bass. She always looks so fake to me. I prefer Iggy Azalea. At least she has a few decent songs and doesn't look plastic or fake. Anaconda is absolutely dreadful and it's so vulgar as well. Awful!
Sylvester2007
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“And how would I go about doing that?! I saw her earlier but once again she didn't see me. According to a friend of mine she was talking about me in a class she was teaching. I don't believe that as I wasn't there. Maybe she's given me a sign that I need to go to her office. She told a friend of mine that if she summons me to her office I'm supposed to bring a ruler so she can "correct" me I think I know what that means! I had a few visions of her that I won't mention on here as they're less than clean

Were you watching Britney on The Vault? It sounds like it! Hold It Against Me is from 2011. So they haven't played Ooh La La, Work Bitch and Perfume, which are all 2013 songs? She released nothing this year but a couple of unreleased songs leaked but I don't know if that counts. Overrated is definitely a word I would use to describe Beyonce. Some people seem to think she's the queen or princess of pop and that she's the second coming of music when nothing could be further than the truth.

at your comment on Nicki Minaj! I can't stand her, but I did like her song Super Bass. She always looks so fake to me. I prefer Iggy Azalea. At least she has a few decent songs and doesn't look plastic or fake. Anaconda is absolutely dreadful and it's so vulgar as well. Awful!”

Don't even want to comment on that first paragraph. It's turning into a Busted - What I Go To School For, or similar scenario

Yes, I record it for one of my girls when she is at college. It would only be songs with videos, so leaks won't be on there. They doidn't play any of the big ones like BOMT, Toxic or Oops, so she'll be pleased with that.

Beyonce is just another artist. She can sing, but I find her dull and boring, musically and as a human being. I just hate how some artists get so much coverage on TV.

Don't like Azalea either. She sounds like a female Professor Green. Most rappers or whatever you call them are embarrasingly cheesy and I include Eminem in that. Fuse ODG, if you call him a rapper is decent. Most of them are cash whores who have no clue about life and I mean musicians in general not just rappers. The Americans/American based are just the worst.
cnbcwatcher
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Don't even want to comment on that first paragraph. It's turning into a Busted - What I Go To School For, or similar scenario

Yes, I record it for one of my girls when she is at college. It would only be songs with videos, so leaks won't be on there. They doidn't play any of the big ones like BOMT, Toxic or Oops, so she'll be pleased with that.

Beyonce is just another artist. She can sing, but I find her dull and boring, musically and as a human being. I just hate how some artists get so much coverage on TV.

Don't like Azalea either. She sounds like a female Professor Green. Most rappers or whatever you call them are embarrasingly cheesy and I include Eminem in that. Fuse ODG, if you call him a rapper is decent. Most of them are cash whores who have no clue about life and I mean musicians in general not just rappers. The Americans/American based are just the worst.”

Well I don't normally have thoughts like that, but one of my friends was saying that she wanted to see me in her office and she wanted to "correct" me Maybe I should tell her to wear her low cut dress and send one of the lads to her office for "correction" He can take the ruler up with him and hand it to her. There were a few in my Labour Law class last year who needed correcting as they were really lazy. That would shut them up and the lad would get to live out his fantasy!

That's fair enough, I guess the leaks are kinda "underground", for the fans if you like. I have loads of unreleased Britney songs Does she not like the big hits like BOMT? I was talking to someone earlier who claimed to be a Britney fan and he didn't even know when Slave 4 U was released! My lecturer was in the vicinity so I started singing and he asked me if that song was her new one. Some people, huh? The mind boggles...

I don't know how Beyonce gets so much coverage. How is she special or different to other artists in any way? As I said I like her music in small doses but I wouldn't call myself a fan. I find her a bit pretentious to be honest. I never liked Eminem. I don't know why, but there is something about him I don't like. Azalea's from New Zealand but I notice she tries to sound American when rapping.
Sylvester2007
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Well I don't normally have thoughts like that, but one of my friends was saying that she wanted to see me in her office and she wanted to "correct" me Maybe I should tell her to wear her low cut dress and send one of the lads to her office for "correction" He can take the ruler up with him and hand it to her. There were a few in my Labour Law class last year who needed correcting as they were really lazy. That would shut them up and the lad would get to live out his fantasy!

That's fair enough, I guess the leaks are kinda "underground", for the fans if you like. I have loads of unreleased Britney songs Does she not like the big hits like BOMT? I was talking to someone earlier who claimed to be a Britney fan and he didn't even know when Slave 4 U was released! My lecturer was in the vicinity so I started singing and he asked me if that song was her new one. Some people, huh? The mind boggles...

I don't know how Beyonce gets so much coverage. How is she special or different to other artists in any way? As I said I like her music in small doses but I wouldn't call myself a fan. I find her a bit pretentious to be honest. I never liked Eminem. I don't know why, but there is something about him I don't like. Azalea's from New Zealand but I notice she tries to sound American when rapping.”

Your place of education is starting to disturb me

Yes, she likes them. But songs that are played less are always welcomed as Toxic, BOMT etc are everywhere.

Most artists are pretentious. Always on the lookout for the next $ or bit of attention. When they complain that their job is hard work, i'd ask them to give it up and take a minimu wage job somewhere.

Eminem is an attention seeker. Slags people off, can't hack it when they do it back.

I know nothing of Azalea but I heard she was accused of trying to be American.
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