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linkinpark875
03-03-2015
I think music TV's turning point was the axe of Top of the Pops and declining CD sales. Then Sky pulled out of the market so the quality dipped had they been around Scuzz would be HD today I reckon.

For MTV it was when they decided around 2003 it was no longer a music channel. The spin offs quickly got worse. EMAP leaving the game was another blow. Bauer have done very little other than tweak there channels. Q still got cut back for FHM TV under previous ownership.

The independents have all gone all the MusFlash TV, Lava, Classic FM TV, Bubble Hits. You have Starz TV under a large corporation now too.

It's a shame to see how much decline there has been in music tv in a decade. 2005 was the time when Sky were about to pull the plug, EMAP lost interest..
hmeister
03-03-2015
Sorry Linkinpark875 but you're posts are becoming even more repetitive.

Sky must've sold their music channels at least 11 years ago and you're still not over it. Most of these defunct channels that you still obsess over closed down at least 6+ years ago and are obviously never coming back.

You need to move on and stop churning out the same posts over and over again. (I know your next post will contain a reference to how you've moved to YouTube)

Anyway, unfortunately Scuzz and Animax have teamed up and there's going to be an Anime film on Thursday night at 10.
kezo
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“I think music TV's turning point was the axe of Top of the Pops and declining CD sales. Then Sky pulled out of the market so the quality dipped had they been around Scuzz would be HD today I reckon.

For MTV it was when they decided around 2003 it was no longer a music channel. The spin offs quickly got worse. EMAP leaving the game was another blow. Bauer have done very little other than tweak there channels. Q still got cut back for FHM TV under previous ownership.

The independents have all gone all the MusFlash TV, Lava, Classic FM TV, Bubble Hits. You have Starz TV under a large corporation now too.

It's a shame to see how much decline there has been in music tv in a decade. 2005 was the time when Sky were about to pull the plug, EMAP lost interest..”

Back then as far as I believe MTV Dance launched and was a 7pm-1am channel(?) correct me there .... but it stuck by what was labelled a proper dance channel and none of what its became today ... I agree the spin offs have gotten worse as previously mentioned most of the channels are repeating themselves (little difference other than a "remix"). I wasn't a big fan of Q TV either other than the mashups that were on ... but when it involved FHM and being more of a part time channel I switched off again I will agree with you on that something like Q should have been kept.

Bauer may have tweaked the channels but again its too similar to MTV its another lot that small chance you'll hear "old skool" classics more on their radio stations than the TV channels (again I don't follow that logic!). The quality in these channels has declined but again they seem to think repeating music over and over is a goal and to "convert" to a general entertainment channel is saving them ... in my mind it has not been thought through either - its more of trying to save face but then again we speak of MTV/Viacom being the big player to that of Bauer but yet they broadcast "teleshopping" tells you something ain't right and it makes you wonder why they chose this decision as I think it has became one of their worst decisions they have made let alone to think back in 90's MTV/VH1 were basic 24/7 channels now they are what 21 hours 7 days a week channels its laughable!
linkinpark875
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by hmeister:
“Sorry Linkinpark875 but you're posts are becoming even more repetitive.

Sky must've sold their music channels at least 11 years ago and you're still not over it. Most of these defunct channels that you still obsess over closed down at least 6+ years ago and are obviously never coming back.

You need to move on and stop churning out the same posts over and over again. (I know your next post will contain a reference to how you've moved to YouTube)

Anyway, unfortunately Scuzz and Animax have teamed up and there's going to be an Anime film on Thursday night at 10.”

Yep because today's music channels are so much better than what we had back then? Music tv figures are rock bottom these days.

For the record Sky sold up in 2006. 9 years ago now.
linkinpark875
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Back then as far as I believe MTV Dance launched and was a 7pm-1am channel(?) correct me there .... but it stuck by what was labelled a proper dance channel and none of what its became today ... I agree the spin offs have gotten worse as previously mentioned most of the channels are repeating themselves (little difference other than a "remix"). I wasn't a big fan of Q TV either other than the mashups that were on ... but when it involved FHM and being more of a part time channel I switched off again I will agree with you on that something like Q should have been kept.

Bauer may have tweaked the channels but again its too similar to MTV its another lot that small chance you'll hear "old skool" classics more on their radio stations than the TV channels (again I don't follow that logic!). The quality in these channels has declined but again they seem to think repeating music over and over is a goal and to "convert" to a general entertainment channel is saving them ... in my mind it has not been thought through either - its more of trying to save face but then again we speak of MTV/Viacom being the big player to that of Bauer but yet they broadcast "teleshopping" tells you something ain't right and it makes you wonder why they chose this decision as I think it has became one of their worst decisions they have made let alone to think back in 90's MTV/VH1 were basic 24/7 channels now they are what 21 hours 7 days a week channels its laughable!”

They must make decent money from teleshopping as more and more music channels added it. Perhaps it's even what keeps them on air? I wouldn't be surprised if a teleshopping block mathes the cost of advertisments on the chnanel all day. Plus being FTA means they don't have income from being a pay chnanel.
kezo
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“They must make decent money from teleshopping as more and more music channels added it. Perhaps it's even what keeps them on air? I wouldn't be surprised if a teleshopping block mathes the cost of advertisments on the chnanel all day. Plus being FTA means they don't have income from being a pay chnanel.”

But why resort to teleshopping? Have this lot not heard of just closing the channel overnight? I could understand having teleshopping back in the analogue days of Sky/Cable but to be all "digital" these days it seems channels are stepping backwards on that. FTA the only 2 thats are 4Music I believe their teleshopping starts about 3.30am (roughly) to 7am VIVA starts about 3am til 9am - let alone both channels are FTA who is taking the p more Bauer/C4 or Viacom/MTV UK?
tom e1649
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Back then as far as I believe MTV Dance launched and was a 7pm-1am channel(?) correct me there .... ”

The channel ran from 19.00 to 06.00 when first launched as a standalone channel in April 2001. It went 24hr in August 2002.
omnidirectional
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“For the record Sky sold up in 2006. 9 years ago now.”

Sky technically owned them until December 2006, but Chartshow started running them on Sky's behalf in September 2004. Everything Sky had produced including programmes, the websites and interactive red button service all stopped on that day.
linkinpark875
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by kezo:
“But why resort to teleshopping? Have this lot not heard of just closing the channel overnight? I could understand having teleshopping back in the analogue days of Sky/Cable but to be all "digital" these days it seems channels are stepping backwards on that. FTA the only 2 thats are 4Music I believe their teleshopping starts about 3.30am (roughly) to 7am VIVA starts about 3am til 9am - let alone both channels are FTA who is taking the p more Bauer/C4 or Viacom/MTV UK?”

The fact they can air it on a bouquet of channels means they probably get decent money. Who actually watches teleshopping overnight anyway? They must get some sales otherwise they wouldn't do it. Some music channels did teleshopping in breakfast hours too which isn't great as that's a time when they could get viewers.
linkinpark875
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“Sky technically owned them until December 2006, but Chartshow started running them on Sky's behalf in September 2004. Everything Sky had produced including programmes, the websites and interactive red button service all stopped on that day.”

Yep I remember thinking it's great how they were FTA. I quite liked Bliss at the time. Within six months the picture quality became squeezed as CSC launched more channels and Bliss ditched the power ballads. Then they launched a dance channel.

Anybody watch Sky Arts here? Some great gigs on there just makes you wonder if Sky still did music tv today it would have been good. I reckon the large revenues were never there hence why they must have pulled out.

Also anybody tried Youtube videos via there TV? In full 1080p it matches MTV Live HD that's why I say why do people bother with music tv these days? Going back onto music channels after YouTube the picture look soft, dull and the sound is lower. This is because the bitrates are so low on Sky. MTV SD is slightly better.
Sylvester2007
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Not really I unfollowed E! Online so I won't see any more Kardashian rubbish on my Twitter feed. I've plenty of Britney stuff though I had Equality Law with my favourite lecturer today and I got to walk with her and have a little chat with her after class And no I didn't hold hands with her ”

I would imagine you'd have to unfollow 4Music too! You could start your own reality show!

Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“ Eminem would be on so atleast MTV Rocks doesn't do that.”

Eminem has been on MTV Rocks on a few occasions.

Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Yep because today's music channels are so much better than what we had back then?”

No-one is debating they are not worse now or we wouldn't be here. It doesn't mean they can't provide some good stuff though and they would just adjust if something else became popular. They are always changing and rebranding - they are tossed salads.

Originally Posted by kezo:
“But why resort to teleshopping? Have this lot not heard of just closing the channel overnight?”

Makes more financial sense to accept the teleshopping money than just close the channel and earn nothing.

Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“TWho actually watches teleshopping overnight anyway?”

My daughter works in retail and hardly a shift goes by where she says someone hasn't come in and asked about a product they saw on teleshopping overnight. Admittedly it sounds like they are senior people and they probably don't watch MTV but people do watch it.

Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Anybody watch Sky Arts here? Some great gigs on there just makes you wonder if Sky still did music tv today it would have been good. I reckon the large revenues were never there hence why they must have pulled out.

Also anybody tried Youtube videos via there TV? In full 1080p it matches MTV Live HD that's why I say why do people bother with music tv these days? Going back onto music channels after YouTube the picture look soft, dull and the sound is lower. This is because the bitrates are so low on Sky. MTV SD is slightly better.”

Sky Arts is a decent channel for your older music. I don't think they do much cyrrent. Showcase and My Channel play music too, again lesser known/older artists.

I've thought about Chromecast but taken that step yet.

In other news....Planet Pop has been playing Clubland Classics of late. I wonder if the next Planet Pop rebrand will be Clubland Classics and Clubland will stick to current dance tunes permanently.
linkinpark875
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“In other news....Planet Pop has been playing Clubland Classics of late. I wonder if the next Planet Pop rebrand will be Clubland Classics and Clubland will stick to current dance tunes permanently.”

I never realised it was owned by the same channel. Clubland Classics possible but the actual Clubland channel doesn't pull enough viewers to justify it. Planet Pop probably has a wider appeal.
Sylvester2007
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“I never realised it was owned by the same channel. Clubland Classics possible but the actual Clubland channel doesn't pull enough viewers to justify it. Planet Pop probably has a wider appeal.”

Yes, AATW own Clubland, Planet Pop, Now and AKA.

I'm not sure what the current viewing figures are like for any of them.
cnbcwatcher
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“I would imagine you'd have to unfollow 4Music too! You could start your own reality show!”

I don't follow 4Music on Twitter! Haha sounds like fun but I don't think it would be that interesting and my lecturer wouldn't agree to it I saw her having coffee with a student yesterday and she walked with the student. I was so jealous
kezo
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“The fact they can air it on a bouquet of channels means they probably get decent money. Who actually watches teleshopping overnight anyway? They must get some sales otherwise they wouldn't do it. Some music channels did teleshopping in breakfast hours too which isn't great as that's a time when they could get viewers.”

If they are getting income from this "teleshopping" what exactly is the money been used - ain't seen much new happening at the VH1 department but I see everything seems blown on MTV by the looks of things. Teleshopping in my mind speaks volumes - and plus if your paying a subscription for the channels kinda defeats the purpose of being what use to be 24 hour channels
kezo
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by tom e1649:
“The channel ran from 19.00 to 06.00 when first launched as a standalone channel in April 2001. It went 24hr in August 2002.”

Thanks for that info Tom I remember seeing it back then - MTV Dance would be better off resorting back to basic small hours at this rate!
hyperstarsponge
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Thanks for that info Tom I remember seeing it back then - MTV Dance would be better off resorting back to basic small hours at this rate!”

Don't give this lot ideas, They will fill MTV Dance with teleshopping all day and only operate it 7pm to 1am.
Sylvester2007
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“I don't follow 4Music on Twitter! Haha sounds like fun but I don't think it would be that interesting and my lecturer wouldn't agree to it I saw her having coffee with a student yesterday and she walked with the student. I was so jealous ”

Sounds like Made In Chelsea to me! Not that I watch it, from the ads. Are either of you posh?

CS Dance confirmed to me today that they have a new Britney In The Mix coming up along with Katy Perry and especially for Kezo, Cheryl!
cnbcwatcher
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Sounds like Made In Chelsea to me! Not that I watch it, from the ads. Are either of you posh?

CS Dance confirmed to me today that they have a new Britney In The Mix coming up along with Katy Perry and especially for Kezo, Cheryl! ”

Do you think?! My lecturer comes across as posh (it's the way she dresses I think) and people are afraid of her, but she's really quite down to earth and kind. I can't imagine people would be interested in a reality show about her though It would be rather boring. They certainly wouldn't be interested in her lectures

Is that a new Britney programme or remix show they're doing?
kezo
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Don't give this lot ideas, They will fill MTV Dance with teleshopping all day and only operate it 7pm to 1am.”

I rather they resorted to shortened hours again but if they did extend the teleshopping I think OFCOM/Sky should do something (not revoke licence as such) but lets be honest majority of these channels should just reduce their hours and basically close if they can't go further in their archives
kezo
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Sounds like Made In Chelsea to me! Not that I watch it, from the ads. Are either of you posh?

CS Dance confirmed to me today that they have a new Britney In The Mix coming up along with Katy Perry and especially for Kezo, Cheryl! ”

Meanwhile on "the fix" (choose Bauer channel of choice) couple days ago .... Cheryl cuts her hair ... looks 70's style AND we as a society are sinking lower and further into the abyss .... good god almighty as if that was newsworthy material ... I see MTV News is doing the same act I noticed recently with a pic and caption ie Kanye apologises to Taylor Swift really MTV you too are scraping barrels doing this .... to think back in the 90's when we seen MTV News the reports in my mind were at least newsworthy these days its like what are they aiming at?
Sylvester2007
07-03-2015
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Do you think?! My lecturer comes across as posh (it's the way she dresses I think) and people are afraid of her, but she's really quite down to earth and kind. I can't imagine people would be interested in a reality show about her though It would be rather boring. They certainly wouldn't be interested in her lectures

Is that a new Britney programme or remix show they're doing?”

Most lecturers are posh People are interested in anything reality it seems so keep dreaming of being on MTV

Originally Posted by kezo:
“Meanwhile on "the fix" (choose Bauer channel of choice) couple days ago .... Cheryl cuts her hair ... looks 70's style AND we as a society are sinking lower and further into the abyss .... good god almighty as if that was newsworthy material ... I see MTV News is doing the same act I noticed recently with a pic and caption ie Kanye apologises to Taylor Swift really MTV you too are scraping barrels doing this .... to think back in the 90's when we seen MTV News the reports in my mind were at least newsworthy these days its like what are they aiming at?”

The Fix does have pointless 'news'. Most of it is scraping the barrel.

I noticed the other day the MTV girl was reading some news with clips and then she said 'here is some other news' or something and it just showed pictures with captions. Bizarre.

Now, Clubland made a huge deal of Cascada's new video last Saturday and the two hour discography last Sunday and Monday - and to be fair, they played every video including both Christmas Songs, all the videos never played on UK TV and the new one and then said they would be adding the new one to the playlist. They haven't done so. I think they are adding it to their spotify but not to the TV. How disappointing! Good job I have it all recorded.

MTV Dance today at 10am - top 10 Cascada - when did MTV last play anything other than Evacuate The Dancefloor or Everytime We Touch and when was the last Cascada programme? 2009? Looks like they have some 00's Eurodance too. Nice to see them mixing it up, although probably not a new direction, just a one off (although repeated Monday).
kezo
07-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Most lecturers are posh People are interested in anything reality it seems so keep dreaming of being on MTV



The Fix does have pointless 'news'. Most of it is scraping the barrel.

I noticed the other day the MTV girl was reading some news with clips and then she said 'here is some other news' or something and it just showed pictures with captions. Bizarre.


Now, Clubland made a huge deal of Cascada's new video last Saturday and the two hour discography last Sunday and Monday - and to be fair, they played every video including both Christmas Songs, all the videos never played on UK TV and the new one and then said they would be adding the new one to the playlist. They haven't done so. I think they are adding it to their spotify but not to the TV. How disappointing! Good job I have it all recorded.

MTV Dance today at 10am - top 10 Cascada - when did MTV last play anything other than Evacuate The Dancefloor or Everytime We Touch and when was the last Cascada programme? 2009? Looks like they have some 00's Eurodance too. Nice to see them mixing it up, although probably not a new direction, just a one off (although repeated Monday).”

MTV Dance - I ain't seen Cascada played on their for a while but as you mentioned it'll be the same songs stuck on repeat - it would be great if this channel can expand more on their dance knowledge than be stuck in a time warp all the time


just highlighting but that is exactly what I saw on MTV News (channel of choice) I agree most bizarre style (with the odd music to go with it .... circus possibly?) as for "the fix" still had to laugh after that segment with Cheryl they spoke of another woman "copying" her hairstyle (American of course), was saying to myself you sure it wasn't the other way round? But yes scraping barrels entertainment these days .....
cnbcwatcher
07-03-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Most lecturers are posh People are interested in anything reality it seems so keep dreaming of being on MTV ”

True dat But she likes Britney so she's quite down to earth really She owns the 2004 greatest hits album. Tell me about it! Some people would watch any old trash so maybe, just maybe they would watch such a show
Sylvester2007
07-03-2015
Originally Posted by kezo:
“MTV Dance - I ain't seen Cascada played on their for a while but as you mentioned it'll be the same songs stuck on repeat - it would be great if this channel can expand more on their dance knowledge than be stuck in a time warp all the time


just highlighting but that is exactly what I saw on MTV News (channel of choice) I agree most bizarre style (with the odd music to go with it .... circus possibly?) as for "the fix" still had to laugh after that segment with Cheryl they spoke of another woman "copying" her hairstyle (American of course), was saying to myself you sure it wasn't the other way round? But yes scraping barrels entertainment these days .....”

Well, it was 10 songs and they played them in full (take note Clubland). Strange timing with the new video out at the moment and they didn't play it, although Clubland will only play it in Cascada programmes and not on the main playlist. No-one else has it. At least MTV Dance played 10 songs (repeated Monday) which is 10 more than usual.

Well, these 'news' bulletins are pathetic. Most of it isn't newsworthy. Cheryl's new hair isn't exactly hair no-one else has.

Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“True dat But she likes Britney so she's quite down to earth really She owns the 2004 greatest hits album. Tell me about it! Some people would watch any old trash so maybe, just maybe they would watch such a show ”

She's an Aguilera fan in private.

Oh, people will watch anything. People are fascinated with other people.
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