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my78
25-02-2016
when i read whats goin on on the uk channels im happy to watch the voice/magic bulgaria and mtv adria.
mtv adria had a Tocotronic "3from1" last night. surprised to see german language music apart from german speaking channels. looking forward for partyzone and chilloutzone friday and saturday night.
kezo
25-02-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“I don't oftne tune in to MTV Rocks, but they were playing Eminem the last time I checked, between the George Ezra and Ed Sheeran tracks.

I guess MTV channels will advertise whatever they are told too.
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Neither do I its mostly MTV Base/Dance I go to but the playlists need a major overhaul, seen Justin Bieber - Sorry on Dance, this channel in particular has become more confused than ever - what am I really meant to watch on this? Is it actual dance music or choregraphed dance? Daytime its pop pap by night it becomes nearly half decent with pap in between

Oh yeah got to ask this since when did the Bauer channels:Kiss/Heat start doing countdowns with 21 and 11? very odd!
ytsejam
25-02-2016
Originally Posted by tvsatweek:
“Why have they not renamed it keep it country”

More like "Keep it Irish (with a bit of country thrown in too!!)"!!
Sylvester2007
25-02-2016
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Neither do I its mostly MTV Base/Dance I go to but the playlists need a major overhaul, seen Justin Bieber - Sorry on Dance, this channel in particular has become more confused than ever - what am I really meant to watch on this? Is it actual dance music or choregraphed dance? Daytime its pop pap by night it becomes nearly half decent with pap in between

Oh yeah got to ask this since when did the Bauer channels:Kiss/Heat start doing countdowns with 21 and 11? very odd!”

They just morph celebrity artists into anything they can. Some just add a beat to it like Adele on CS Dance.

Talking of Adele, MTV already had a celebration of her success programmed before she's even won last night - i'm guessing MTV already knew the results.

I've no idea why they do 21/11 countdowns. They do 101's too.
omnidirectional
25-02-2016
VH1 UK is really bad at the moment. They're constantly repeating a small selection of themed countdowns, including many "Official Top 10" charts, plus every week they show either Top 100 Greatest Voices or Unforgettable Number Ones.

Where have all the other themes and charts gone? Is anyone actually programming the channel, since it relies on the same few countdowns every day? After appearing to be run with little effort for years, it seems there is no effort at all now.
Declan_McGrath1
26-02-2016
Flava to be investigated by Ofcom, for various reasons, seriously do people have better things to do these days other than complain.
Sylvester2007
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“VH1 UK is really bad at the moment. They're constantly repeating a small selection of themed countdowns, including many "Official Top 10" charts, plus every week they show either Top 100 Greatest Voices or Unforgettable Number Ones.

Where have all the other themes and charts gone? Is anyone actually programming the channel, since it relies on the same few countdowns every day? After appearing to be run with little effort for years, it seems there is no effort at all now.”

Whilst making little effort, sometimes just having the channel there for it's name attracts people. It's like a shop, many chains make small losses with certain stores, but it's presence on the high street keeps them going, maybe it's the same with VH1.

Originally Posted by Declan_McGrath1:
“Flava to be investigated by Ofcom, for various reasons, seriously do people have better things to do these days other than complain.”

Apart from shit music, what are the other complaints about?

I imagine some people are serial complainers looking out for swear words etc.
Declan_McGrath1
26-02-2016
Swearing could be the one or raunchy videos
alex_ts
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by my78:
“when i read whats goin on on the uk channels im happy to watch the voice/magic bulgaria and mtv adria.
mtv adria had a Tocotronic "3from1" last night. surprised to see german language music apart from german speaking channels. looking forward for partyzone and chilloutzone friday and saturday night.”

Yeah, a great surprise, i love Tocotronic! Germany has (maybe had?) so much to offer, and unfortunately German music channels are not doing their job.
my78
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by alex_ts:
“Yeah, a great surprise, i love Tocotronic! Germany has (maybe had?) so much to offer, and unfortunately German music channels are not doing their job. ”

sad but true. good channels have gone (viva,viva2,onyx) and even austria's gotv has gone downhill the last months when they axed "hosted by..." shows. there is something wrong goin on when i have to turn on a non german language channel to see german language music.
kezo
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“VH1 UK is really bad at the moment. They're constantly repeating a small selection of themed countdowns, including many "Official Top 10" charts, plus every week they show either Top 100 Greatest Voices or Unforgettable Number Ones.

Where have all the other themes and charts gone? Is anyone actually programming the channel, since it relies on the same few countdowns every day? After appearing to be run with little effort for years, it seems there is no effort at all now.”

In its heydays of the 90's and 00's VH1 had "artist(s) of the month, featured MORE than one genre ie Rock, Motown etc still had countdowns (which were actually ok), it even had proper disco nights! (Saturday night), Behind The Music and they done Every #1 from 1970-2004 (this was pretty good as they done it yearly but when they updated it with new fonts they hardly told you when it was a #1) (yes VH1 did have programming at least in between music), compare it to now its became a disaster of a channel a) Teleshopping b) MTV/C5 ads now bombarding it c) same charts/themes d) dropping the "year" of songs (this one in particular annoys me since sometimes I believe one or two MTV "music themed" channels does this! ... so drop it from VH1 but apply to MTV which of course has never displayed it!) also finally e) I'll aim this one at MTV I believe ... if you can't spell or know the year of the track don't just make it up as you go along use Google for god sake if you don't know something!! (ie Rosie Gaines not Rosie Gains and for a track was released in 1994 don't just put 2009 - you look like idiots who have no real idea about music!)
kezo
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“They just morph celebrity artists into anything they can. Some just add a beat to it like Adele on CS Dance.

Talking of Adele, MTV already had a celebration of her success programmed before she's even won last night - i'm guessing MTV already knew the results.

I've no idea why they do 21/11 countdowns. They do 101's too.”

I admit I like dance remixes as long as they overboard on it - I think for MTV Dance in particular its in a midlife crisis its has no idea what "dance" its following, I admit at the time they added RnB to it turned into a bit of a disaster but I liked that MTV Dance, it still kept the dance (played even old skool songs more often with some of the modern music), these days it plays more of the poppy pap more and anything thats dance is shoved more to the side apart from the predictable artists on rota -but as I say they seem to know the old skool stuff but its just kept to a weekend or a night, classic example was UK Garage of yesteryear - the whole playlist was borrowed from MTV Base a few weeks ago (and was more predictable ie didn't feature any different songs to that was on Base)

as for 101/21/11 countdowns, I wonder if the extra 1 is just added so they don't need to cut to ads as quick as they have added the track to take them up to the hour?
JVD
02-03-2016
Australia's music channel Channel [V] is to closedown. How long before we start seeing more closures of many music channels here ? Most of the music channels have such a tiny share now. Most struggle to pull in 0.1% of viewers

http://mashable.com/2016/02/23/chann.../#yPjLdA4B_5qR
linkinpark875
02-03-2016
Originally Posted by JVD:
“Australia's music channel Channel [V] is to closedown. How long before we start seeing more closures of many music channels here ? Most of the music channels have such a tiny share now. Most struggle to pull in 0.1% of viewers

http://mashable.com/2016/02/23/chann.../#yPjLdA4B_5qR”

That's not the UK though.

I'm amazed people watch music channels much I put them on if I can't be bothered changing songs however I use YouTube as music which Q/NME/The Amp/Lava/VH2 use to play.

To think how many indie/alternative festival channels there use to be it's strange to only see Kerrang and Scuzz which are more metal and punk based.

Majority of UK channels only play wall to wall chart including Magic and VH1. Basically only Vintage plays music which Magic use to.

Also out with MTV Live HD YouTube is better picture quality as it offers full HD. HD music channels never really took off.
kezo
02-03-2016
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“That's not the UK though.

I'm amazed people watch music channels much I put them on if I can't be bothered changing songs however I use YouTube as music which Q/NME/The Amp/Lava/VH2 use to play.

To think how many indie/alternative festival channels there use to be it's strange to only see Kerrang and Scuzz which are more metal and punk based.

Majority of UK channels only play wall to wall chart including Magic and VH1. Basically only Vintage plays music which Magic use to.

Also out with MTV Live HD YouTube is better picture quality as it offers full HD. HD music channels never really took off.”

I mostly drift through the channels, Does MTV Rocks not play punk/metal? I thought it was since its titled "MTV Rocks" but then again when you have likes of Ed Sheeran/George Ezra on it, it makes you wonder!

I'll agree that all these channels seem to be doing wall to wall charts - again back in the 90's charts were mostly confined to weekends (speaking of what I remember with VH1), and the odd artist picking their top 10 but most of the time it was themed music programming - these days its basically themed music countdowns ie Top 50.... can they not just play without a countdown?

As for MTV Live HD - What is this channel meant to be? When it was running from Poland it looked like a far superior channel (Ok it did show animation at weekends) but to what is now looks nothing to what it was previous under MTVNHD, Since UK control its fell from grace (barrage of MTV ads and of course advertising MTV's main channel too), they still doo live gigs but at times its gone way too "poppy" and it ain't any different to its sister channels MTV Hits/Music/Base/Dance apart from videos are in HD but other than that its another waste of space. I knew my time was up on MTV in general when the phasing of reality shows came in .... but with the UK doing more of it on the main its off putting but again it does not help with the constant ads for MTV appearing on every MTV channel they have let alone appearing on VH1! Why on VH1? VH1 is meant to be a different demographic to MTV and be more on par to Vintage TV but Vintage TV seems more to fit in with me to that of VH1!

I noticed last night (since mentioning Vintage), I briefly dipped in but they played a song from T-Rex that I ain't seen before but why is it this channel seems to be at times able to play what I would call "classics" or "old skool" but VH1 seems they don't want to touch? .... I ain't going to talk about the Bauer channels - Heat/Smash Hits/Magic one of them should be at least classics but whats the point? Again stuck in playing modern (todays) music than anything else - channels in UK are in a sad state but I wonder what its really like in USA/Europe - probably they still are more adventurous with archives than here!
omnidirectional
02-03-2016
Originally Posted by JVD:
“Australia's music channel Channel [V] is to closedown. How long before we start seeing more closures of many music channels here ? Most of the music channels have such a tiny share now. Most struggle to pull in 0.1% of viewers

http://mashable.com/2016/02/23/chann.../#yPjLdA4B_5qR”

I wonder if FLAVA might be next as this week's BARB Top 10 is terrible.

Code:
Flava (was B4)
w/e 21 Feb 2016
7 day data (000s)	28 day data (000s)
1	THIS WEEK'S 20 MOST PLAYED (SAT 1202)	8
2	STREET SESSIONS (MON 2429)	3
3	#PLAY RIHANNA AND FRIENDS (SAT 1001)	2
4	DRE VS SNOOP VS EMINEM TOP 20 (WED 2301)	2
5	OVEN FRESH: TODAY'S HOT NEW ONES (TUE 1434)	2
6	OVEN FRESH: TODAY'S HOT NEW ONES (SAT 0902)	2
7	IN THE MIX: SEAN PAUL - PART 4 (SAT 2150)	1
8	STREET SESSIONS (MON 1501)	1
9	FLAVA'S WEEKEND TURN UP! (SAT 2601)	*
10	HOT N HEAVY (MON 2501)	*
All but one show has 3000 viewers or less. There is no way this channel can be making money.
Sylvester2007
02-03-2016
Originally Posted by kezo:
“I admit I like dance remixes as long as they overboard on it - I think for MTV Dance in particular its in a midlife crisis its has no idea what "dance" its following, I admit at the time they added RnB to it turned into a bit of a disaster but I liked that MTV Dance, it still kept the dance (played even old skool songs more often with some of the modern music), these days it plays more of the poppy pap more and anything thats dance is shoved more to the side apart from the predictable artists on rota -but as I say they seem to know the old skool stuff but its just kept to a weekend or a night, classic example was UK Garage of yesteryear - the whole playlist was borrowed from MTV Base a few weeks ago (and was more predictable ie didn't feature any different songs to that was on Base)

as for 101/21/11 countdowns, I wonder if the extra 1 is just added so they don't need to cut to ads as quick as they have added the track to take them up to the hour?”

Justin Bieber is dance to MTV Dance - ok it's nearer dance than his old stuff but so are The Teletubbies. Whoever said Justin Bieber is dance in any way needs their head testing. I know he's on other dance channels too and probably in the dance chart but that was on Skrillex's track only and even Skrillex sold themselves there.

I doubt they would add extra tracks, they like their ads.

Sounds like Flava is done for.

Clubland has also gone to teleshopping from 4.30am from the previous 6.30am. Sign of the times.
kezo
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Justin Bieber is dance to MTV Dance - ok it's nearer dance than his old stuff but so are The Teletubbies. Whoever said Justin Bieber is dance in any way needs their head testing. I know he's on other dance channels too and probably in the dance chart but that was on Skrillex's track only and even Skrillex sold themselves there.

I doubt they would add extra tracks, they like their ads.

Sounds like Flava is done for.

Clubland has also gone to teleshopping from 4.30am from the previous 6.30am. Sign of the times.”

Justin Bieber - MTV Dance play "sorry" on there, I kid you not - hence why I asked what is MTV Dance stands for? Still nobody seems to know the answer to this! As for that Skrillex track with him - find that song is mostly noise, like a screeching cat how that is dance music these days baffles me!

Yet MTV its heyday would add an extra track to the hour and then play an extra one/two (VH1 also) then ad breaks, doubt this is a rarity on the MTV channels.

As for teleshopping why are all these commerical channels resort to teleshopping these days? I still say (and this goes to all channels be Music/Entertainment etc), you either go 24/7 with programming if not close overnight - why is there such a need for teleshopping on ALL music themed channels really? Be different if at times they were advertising music in the ads but its fitness/makeup etc really? Yep channels have sunk to a new depth
JVD
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“I wonder if FLAVA might be next as this week's BARB Top 10 is terrible.

Code:
Flava (was B4)
w/e 21 Feb 2016
7 day data (000s)	28 day data (000s)
1	THIS WEEK'S 20 MOST PLAYED (SAT 1202)	8
2	STREET SESSIONS (MON 2429)	3
3	#PLAY RIHANNA AND FRIENDS (SAT 1001)	2
4	DRE VS SNOOP VS EMINEM TOP 20 (WED 2301)	2
5	OVEN FRESH: TODAY'S HOT NEW ONES (TUE 1434)	2
6	OVEN FRESH: TODAY'S HOT NEW ONES (SAT 0902)	2
7	IN THE MIX: SEAN PAUL - PART 4 (SAT 2150)	1
8	STREET SESSIONS (MON 1501)	1
9	FLAVA'S WEEKEND TURN UP! (SAT 2601)	*
10	HOT N HEAVY (MON 2501)	*
All but one show has 3000 viewers or less. There is no way this channel can be making money.”


Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Sounds like Flava is done for.”

Bliss never got bad figures like that , makes you think why didnt they close Flava instead of Bliss ?

Bliss only reached 1,000 viewers as their lowest , but Flava seems to rate more shows under 1,000 viewers which is shocking how the channel is still on air.

I can see Sony wanting to reformat The Vault into an Entertainment based channel and could move into the Entertainment section since they seem to be expanding on the Entertainment shows rather than the music. Chart Show Dance would be better off becoming Chart Show Hits for all sorts of music from the 80s , 90s and 00s. Cutting down their music channels to 3 is the right way to go in the declining market for music TV. Chart Show Hits could squat into 366 if they decide to move The Vault out of the music section. Closing down Starz TV would also be the right thing to do as well since that also rates poorly nowadays.
Sylvester2007
05-03-2016
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Justin Bieber - MTV Dance play "sorry" on there, I kid you not - hence why I asked what is MTV Dance stands for? Still nobody seems to know the answer to this! As for that Skrillex track with him - find that song is mostly noise, like a screeching cat how that is dance music these days baffles me!

Yet MTV its heyday would add an extra track to the hour and then play an extra one/two (VH1 also) then ad breaks, doubt this is a rarity on the MTV channels.

As for teleshopping why are all these commerical channels resort to teleshopping these days? I still say (and this goes to all channels be Music/Entertainment etc), you either go 24/7 with programming if not close overnight - why is there such a need for teleshopping on ALL music themed channels really? Be different if at times they were advertising music in the ads but its fitness/makeup etc really? Yep channels have sunk to a new depth”

Clubland play it too - regularly

Teleshopping keeps them going I think, expecially the Non MTV ones. Viewing figures probably don't make them viable overnight.

Originally Posted by JVD:
“Bliss never got bad figures like that , makes you think why didnt they close Flava instead of Bliss ?

Bliss only reached 1,000 viewers as their lowest , but Flava seems to rate more shows under 1,000 viewers which is shocking how the channel is still on air.

I can see Sony wanting to reformat The Vault into an Entertainment based channel and could move into the Entertainment section since they seem to be expanding on the Entertainment shows rather than the music. Chart Show Dance would be better off becoming Chart Show Hits for all sorts of music from the 80s , 90s and 00s. Cutting down their music channels to 3 is the right way to go in the declining market for music TV. Chart Show Hits could squat into 366 if they decide to move The Vault out of the music section. Closing down Starz TV would also be the right thing to do as well since that also rates poorly nowadays.”

Well, I think looking at The Vault, the Urban fan is back doing the programming. A lot of these countdowns are urban/RnB etc from the 00's, so I think Faleo has lost out to someone with more of a RnB interest and it's crap. It's almost like Flava Vault than The Vault. Maybe that's what they will do - drop Flava and merge it with The Vault.

Certainly think Flava hasn't long left, not with those figures. Strange why they chose to close Bliss instead,
JVD
05-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“Clubland play it too - regularly

Teleshopping keeps them going I think, expecially the Non MTV ones. Viewing figures probably don't make them viable overnight.



Well, I think looking at The Vault, the Urban fan is back doing the programming. A lot of these countdowns are urban/RnB etc from the 00's, so I think Faleo has lost out to someone with more of a RnB interest and it's crap. It's almost like Flava Vault than The Vault. Maybe that's what they will do - drop Flava and merge it with The Vault.

Certainly think Flava hasn't long left, not with those figures. Strange why they chose to close Bliss instead,”

I agree The Vault for 'Music' has been dreadful lately , not like it used to be at all. Flava's recent music would fit in better on Chart Show TV instead.

If they are wanting to keep Starz , they could rebrand that as Chart Show Starz and add the recent Popular Chart songs of the 2010s and RnB on there.

It be great if they ditch Chart Show Dance too because thats a failed channel. They should shift all the newer club/up-tempo songs from there to Chart Show TV instead.

Chart Show Hits or Chart Show Gold would be a better replacement instead of 'Chart Show Dance as it be better variety of Classics not just Dance but Pop , Rock , Indie/Alternative and Britpop too.
linkinpark875
05-03-2016
Originally Posted by JVD:
“Bliss never got bad figures like that , makes you think why didnt they close Flava instead of Bliss ?

Bliss only reached 1,000 viewers as their lowest , but Flava seems to rate more shows under 1,000 viewers which is shocking how the channel is still on air.

I can see Sony wanting to reformat The Vault into an Entertainment based channel and could move into the Entertainment section since they seem to be expanding on the Entertainment shows rather than the music. Chart Show Dance would be better off becoming Chart Show Hits for all sorts of music from the 80s , 90s and 00s. Cutting down their music channels to 3 is the right way to go in the declining market for music TV. Chart Show Hits could squat into 366 if they decide to move The Vault out of the music section. Closing down Starz TV would also be the right thing to do as well since that also rates poorly nowadays.”

Starz is then only interactive jukebox channel on Sky these days though. Flava rates badly as its nothing like Kiss.
JVD
05-03-2016
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Starz is then only interactive jukebox channel on Sky these days though. Flava rates badly as its nothing like Kiss.”

Kiss is just as dreadful , all of the Bauer channels are boring. It's not really a jukebox channel they rotate the same 40 videos , people are wasting their money on this channel , most request songs that aren't even on the playlist.
Sylvester2007
06-03-2016
Originally Posted by JVD:
“I agree The Vault for 'Music' has been dreadful lately , not like it used to be at all. Flava's recent music would fit in better on Chart Show TV instead.

If they are wanting to keep Starz , they could rebrand that as Chart Show Starz and add the recent Popular Chart songs of the 2010s and RnB on there.

It be great if they ditch Chart Show Dance too because thats a failed channel. They should shift all the newer club/up-tempo songs from there to Chart Show TV instead.

Chart Show Hits or Chart Show Gold would be a better replacement instead of 'Chart Show Dance as it be better variety of Classics not just Dance but Pop , Rock , Indie/Alternative and Britpop too.”

I only want to keep CS Dance has it has a couple of In The Mix Programmes that I like. Not that it matters, I have it all recorded anyway.

CSC certainly need a re-think though - even Chart Show has been crap for a few years now too and Bauer are just woeful these days.

Clubland and Now just keep playing the same songs tonight. 3 or 4 songs on Clubland have been played 3 times each in 90 minutes - LMFAO, Guetta and Swedish House Mafia - they have a whole archive and they do this. Pointless.
JVD
06-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“I only want to keep CS Dance has it has a couple of In The Mix Programmes that I like. Not that it matters, I have it all recorded anyway.

CSC certainly need a re-think though - even Chart Show has been crap for a few years now too and Bauer are just woeful these days.

Clubland and Now just keep playing the same songs tonight. 3 or 4 songs on Clubland have been played 3 times each in 90 minutes - LMFAO, Guetta and Swedish House Mafia - they have a whole archive and they do this. Pointless.”

Chart Show TV could take those In The Mix shows , they'd fit in perfectly for midnight until the early hours of the morning. They certainly need to expand on their content to make the channel less repetitive.
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