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Old 21-05-2013, 08:45
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Vintage TV is great on 369 it is free too as my sky subscription has expired.

They have their own videos too with old footage on a lot of music guess it saves them money.
I'm worried Vintage will get 'too modern'. Recently they have played 00's and 10's songs - i'd rather they stuck to 90's and older, but it's a good channel for free.


I dont want to sound nit-picky but why are Nicki Minaj and Rihanna seen as American? Both are Trinidadian and Barbadian respectively. Granted they may not live there and have probably got US citizenship but that is wrong. Technically they are British (Commonwealth links).
This is one thing that annoys me too. It's basically just so they can put them in any countdown. They appear in other charts too - like Top 10 US Men, as part of a collab - just so they can put them in the chart. Both are American when they want to be, Carribean when it suits them. A bit like Rita Ora, proclaiming she's British when she wants to be, Bosnian when it suits her.

Also this Fresh Music Top 20.....why have songs which are/have been number one as fresh?! Why not give a chance to new releases...even new acts?

I think Babestation serves more of a purpose than these channels.
I know.....baffles me too. So much new barely/unplayed music out there. They had Cascada in the Fresh Music 20 for one week at 18, yet weeks later, and Cascada not in the chart, we still have old number 1's......these channels baffle me with their charts - mostly pointless charts. Even the official top 40 doesn't need playing as much as it is - even then they cut off half the songs.

The Vault - looks like they have new graphics to go with Chart Show. Music has got worse of late too. Seem a little obsessed with all these American kids from High School Musical etc - Demi Lovato, Mrianda Cosgrove
, Victoria Justice, Emily Osment etc - don't know if they are all from HSM etc, but they appear like they are judging from the videos - terrible.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:02
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Don't get me started on the Disney Kids! How FAKE can someone look? At least Christina/Britney/Justin have a personality and an individual look about them. This lot are like dolls. No wonder Lindsay Lohan is off the rails...would not be surprised if there is a scandal there re: similar to the BBC abuse cover up.

Glad someone agress about Fresh Music chart. At the end of the day if people want to hear new music they should. Sadly this is what happens when you take away the public element...its what THEY want.

Another thing why always US acts? Nothing was done for St Georges Day with English acts. No, I am not a UKIP member but surely our acts should get airtime. We are not part of America FFS...whats so special about a country that starts war on places?

I think this is part of the reason the singles chart is static. Very tight playlists and no airplay for new acts. I think a chart working like Eurovision would work...25% jury 75% sales.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:10
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Don't get me started on the Disney Kids! How FAKE can someone look? At least Christina/Britney/Justin have a personality and an individual look about them. This lot are like dolls. No wonder Lindsay Lohan is off the rails...would not be surprised if there is a scandal there re: similar to the BBC abuse cover up.

Glad someone agress about Fresh Music chart. At the end of the day if people want to hear new music they should. Sadly this is what happens when you take away the public element...its what THEY want.

I think this is part of the reason the singles chart is static. Very tight playlists and no airplay for new acts. I think a chart working like Eurovision would work...25% jury 75% sales.
The current crop of Disney Kids are very similar and i've thought for years that something strange happened in the old Disney days. I love Britney, but something happened there, you just know. Justin is far too backward for someone of his supposed looks and abilities - just like Britney, who is far too shy for someone of her looks and success and Christina is far too angry...but that's another story.

Unfortunately these channels just show the same artists as it's what they think people want AND i'm sure they are being leaned on by promoters etc

I see they have changed some rules in America on 'sales' - something along the lines of 100 streams = 1 download. When downloads were introduced, it opened up abuse of the charts even more. Now with streaming, companies are going to have a field day.

But, singles sell albums that sell tours. It's all about money, money, money, fame, fame, fame and 'how fit' someone is. Oh...and money and fame. Very few current artists care about music these days. You get the odd exception and they stand out - Coldplay, Radiohead etc, but pop and RnB industry etc only care about money, fame and how many women they can degrade - i've nothing against babestation, p orn etc and people watch what they like - I just don't want it in my music videos which are shown all day in front of the kids.

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They do play alot of UK acts, but we are obsessed with the US. I think Eurovision showed that US acts are NOT the greatest in the world - Eurovision acts could all sing live for starters. Again, we are told that US acts are all the very best, when very few actually are - and the ones that are, are NOT the ones they play the most.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:20
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bring back
cmt = country music tv
classic rock music station
far to many repeating channels over n over
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:31
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I agree with everything you have put.

The thing is the music industry today is all about money even more than before. Acts are probably more controlled than before and it seems America is the place to crack. Hence pairing singers with rappers who have pointless parts to play.

What is wrong breaking in Australia and the Far East? Far bigger market there. Plus acts can be true to themselves.

2013 has been the worst year musically so far....there seems to be no light. I am 28 btw and even I am pissed off with music nowadays. There is no originality at all and all the good stuff is ignored or critised. Its thanks to channels and radio stations keeping with tight playlists that is ruining the charts.

Eurovision is more diverse than the singles charts anyday! Imagine pitching the whole Top 40 to sing live? I bet about 35% could. Eurovision 2013 had two weak singers but even they kept in tune.
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Old 21-05-2013, 09:59
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To add:

I listened to a whole load of Now albums on Spotify...found a few from 1993 and although there was some dross out, the standard was better than now! At least music had character to it. There was a dance track by Lulu called "Independence" (could be Scotland's Yes vote anthem lol), which was not auto-tuned or featuring a random rapper, just an up-beat track that did the trick and the voice and chorus selling the song. That's all I ask for, not the add-ons which make music sound fake today.
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Old 21-05-2013, 11:52
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BBC 6Music puts music channels and most radio stations to shame.
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Old 21-05-2013, 11:59
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Music TV in the UK has become tedious with so many channels playing the same thing.

Sadly, the best thing that could happen would be for a load of them to close, then maybe the focus would shift back to quality rather than quantity.

15 years ago we only had MTV, VH1 and The Box but the variety of music across those 3 channels was far greater than the 30 channels we have today, and MTV/VH1 offered quality music programmes and documentaries too.

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cmt = country music tv
CMT has followed its owner (MTV) and now has films, comedy, cooking, reality shows in place of country music.
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Old 22-05-2013, 11:20
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I agree with everything you have put.

The thing is the music industry today is all about money even more than before. Acts are probably more controlled than before and it seems America is the place to crack. Hence pairing singers with rappers who have pointless parts to play.

What is wrong breaking in Australia and the Far East? Far bigger market there. Plus acts can be true to themselves.

2013 has been the worst year musically so far....there seems to be no light. I am 28 btw and even I am pissed off with music nowadays. There is no originality at all and all the good stuff is ignored or critised. Its thanks to channels and radio stations keeping with tight playlists that is ruining the charts.

Eurovision is more diverse than the singles charts anyday! Imagine pitching the whole Top 40 to sing live? I bet about 35% could. Eurovision 2013 had two weak singers but even they kept in tune.
Can I ask which two weak singers they were? Please don't say Germany She has a strong voice

Music TV in the UK has become tedious with so many channels playing the same thing.

Sadly, the best thing that could happen would be for a load of them to close, then maybe the focus would shift back to quality rather than quantity.

15 years ago we only had MTV, VH1 and The Box but the variety of music across those 3 channels was far greater than the 30 channels we have today, and MTV/VH1 offered quality music programmes and documentaries too.



CMT has followed its owner (MTV) and now has films, comedy, cooking, reality shows in place of country music.
I'd worry the fewer channels would continue to play the same old and we'd then have much fewer options/chances of a good track/programme.

3 channels - Beyonce on one, Rihanna on another and Nikki Minaj on another....followed by Katy Perry, Pink and Gaga.

At least with so many channels, there is a chance of something.

I just don't get why when a new channel starts, it's the same old music! Makes no sense.
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Old 22-05-2013, 11:38
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Sylvester2007: The two weak singers were Slovenia who were last in semi 1 (she was the girl in leather with a dance track) and Spain.
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Old 22-05-2013, 13:23
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Sylvester2007: The two weak singers were Slovenia who were last in semi 1 (she was the girl in leather with a dance track) and Spain.
Ahhhh, I didn't see the semi finals. Spain was just a poor song

I didn't think you'd be talking about Natalie from Germany Even if Graham Norton insulted her
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Old 22-05-2013, 15:51
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Ahhhh, I didn't see the semi finals. Spain was just a poor song

I didn't think you'd be talking about Natalie from Germany Even if Graham Norton insulted her
I think aside from the girl of Scissor Sisters..all were poor commentators. If the BBC dont want it give to CH4. I am sure we would have a contemporary entry in their hands.
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Old 22-05-2013, 19:02
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I think aside from the girl of Scissor Sisters..all were poor commentators. If the BBC dont want it give to CH4. I am sure we would have a contemporary entry in their hands.
Where were the other commentators? On the red button?

Anywhere but the BBC would provide a better entry. The again, we could end up with teenage pop star or a Brit schooler.

Watch out for next year, could be a year for Shakin Stevens
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Old 22-05-2013, 20:54
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Who thinks that

calvin harris - i need your love

sounds the exactly same as

cheryl - call my name ?
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Old 23-05-2013, 00:03
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Who thinks that

calvin harris - i need your love

sounds the exactly same as

cheryl - call my name ?
Technically he produced "call my name" for her (uncreditted for it .... typical cheryl) .... never thought of that .... but then again most of these "dance" tunes now just sound the same or similar!

Yes just look at David Guetta's new song with Neyo/Akon - samples Alice Deejay - Want you Back In my life (from I think was 98-99?)
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Old 23-05-2013, 17:25
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All the Box channels are now streaming online at

http://www.thebox.co.uk/watch_now
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Old 23-05-2013, 18:15
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All the Box channels are now streaming online at

http://www.thebox.co.uk/watch_now
Only one that would interest me is Magic and Kerrang
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Old 23-05-2013, 18:23
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2013 has been the worst year musically so far....there seems to be no light. .
Apart from Macklemore.
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Old 23-05-2013, 18:25
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Where were the other commentators? On the red button?

Anywhere but the BBC would provide a better entry. The again, we could end up with teenage pop star or a Brit schooler.

Watch out for next year, could be a year for Shakin Stevens
Scott Mills and Graham Norton I mean. They were AWFUL this year. I hope the EBU put a strict rule in not to promote social networking messages.
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Old 23-05-2013, 18:29
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Technically he produced "call my name" for her (uncreditted for it .... typical cheryl) .... never thought of that .... but then again most of these "dance" tunes now just sound the same or similar!

Yes just look at David Guetta's new song with Neyo/Akon - samples Alice Deejay - Want you Back In my life (from I think was 98-99?)
Cheryl's song appears on Calvin In The Mix on CSDance, so it clears that one for me, thanks.

Yes that sample annoys me as I like Alice Deejay.

All the Box channels are now streaming online at

http://www.thebox.co.uk/watch_now
Nice one, thanks.

Also, on clubland right now - Girls of Eurodance - with....Nicki Minaj! Great work Clubland
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Old 23-05-2013, 18:30
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Scott Mills and Graham Norton I mean. They were AWFUL this year. I hope the EBU put a strict rule in not to promote social networking messages.
You'd have thought they may have a commentator with some musical knowledge. Graham Norton is about as musical as they don't come.
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:21
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You'd have thought they may have a commentator with some musical knowledge. Graham Norton is about as musical as they don't come.
Well Ana from Scissor Sisters obviously knew her stuff, and for an American she had a lot of Eurovision knowledge..more than Scott and Graham!!

Nice one, thanks.

Also, on clubland right now - Girls of Eurodance - with....Nicki Minaj! Great work Clubland
Surprise.... - Face it, the record labels now BUY the channels. The only way it'll change is have a music channel with BALLS!! Plus copying Eurovision by having 30% jury and getting EVERY act submit a live performance which affects their chart position. Would stop the dross doing well easily.
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:27
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Rumour has it MTV India will launch on Sky within "days" to replace a closing Indian channel.

http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/9x...al-within-days

At least the playlist looks different to MTV UK
http://mtv.in.com/music.html
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:40
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Well Ana from Scissor Sisters obviously knew her stuff, and for an American she had a lot of Eurovision knowledge..more than Scott and Graham!!



Surprise.... - Face it, the record labels now BUY the channels. The only way it'll change is have a music channel with BALLS!! Plus copying Eurovision by having 30% jury and getting EVERY act submit a live performance which affects their chart position. Would stop the dross doing well easily.
I only heard Graham Norton, sadly.

The record labels basically promote their artists like crazy to the channels. Live performances? That's 99% of the chart done for then.

Seriously, the whole of Eurovision was better than our charts.

Rumour has it MTV India will launch on Sky within "days" to replace a closing Indian channel.

http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/9x...al-within-days

At least the playlist looks different to MTV UK
http://mtv.in.com/music.html

That would be different. How long before MTV UK takes it over do you think and puts Rihanna and Beyonce on there?
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:45
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Rumour has it MTV India will launch on Sky within "days" to replace a closing Indian channel.

http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/9x...al-within-days

At least the playlist looks different to MTV UK
http://mtv.in.com/music.html
I can remember what MTV UK did to MTV Live and the same will happen to this channel. MTVN HD used to be great
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