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Old 06-01-2014, 23:35
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I don't think I would bother complementing VH1 Europe too much. Musically, the channel has really gone down the pan over the last few years. You can have swish new graphics yes, but if the content isn't any good what's the point? The channel now solely focuses on the 'biggest and newest hits', which means Rhianna, Katy Perry, Beyonce etc on heavy rotation alongside the usual predictable 'classics'. Additionally, the channel is on autopilot most of the time. The days of someone taking care to manually programme the videos are long gone. It has been this way since the Polish MTV office closed and programming went back to Camden.
You beat me to it, Tom!
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Old 07-01-2014, 00:36
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You beat me to it, Tom!
I'm just waiting for Alex to come along now to support our viewpoint.

Seriously though, that huge building in Camden must be used for over 100 channels now (many of them not even remotely music channels). Studio space has been removed to allow other Viacom channels such as Comedy Central and Nickelodeon in. Back in 1994 there were two channels, MTV Europe and VH1 Europe. Imagine the number of people working in that building on just two channels. There was so much human input in those days and this was reflected in the quality. You could feel the channels were alive, not just some automated playout system. Today's watered down nature of a multi-channel environment has certainly taken the soul out of MTV's (and other companies) channels. The ease of being able to play material straight from a digital server has made it possible to forget about the basic process of running a channel from scratch. It can be all to easy, no effort is needed any more. As with any industry, automation has allowed human input to be reduced, but in this case it has gone to a point where quality has suffered badly. The old method of manually loading a Betacart machine with Betacam tapes at least forced someone to think about what they were playing and tempted them to find something different in the library. Judging by the material being repeated over and over today, access to the library (probably the greatest and most complete music video library in the world) to digitise tapes is seen as being an inconvenience at best and at worst a waste of time and resources, which is a real shame.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:21
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I'm just waiting for Alex to come along now to support our viewpoint.

Seriously though, that huge building in Camden must be used for over 100 channels now (many of them not even remotely music channels). Studio space has been removed to allow other Viacom channels such as Comedy Central and Nickelodeon in. Back in 1994 there were two channels, MTV Europe and VH1 Europe. Imagine the number of people working in that building on just two channels. There was so much human input in those days and this was reflected in the quality. You could feel the channels were alive, not just some automated playout system. Today's watered down nature of a multi-channel environment has certainly taken the soul out of MTV's (and other companies) channels. The ease of being able to play material straight from a digital server has made it possible to forget about the basic process of running a channel from scratch. It can be all to easy, no effort is needed any more. As with any industry, automation has allowed human input to be reduced, but in this case it has gone to a point where quality has suffered badly. The old method of manually loading a Betacart machine with Betacam tapes at least forced someone to think about what they were playing and tempted them to find something different in the library. Judging by the material being repeated over and over today, access to the library (probably the greatest and most complete music video library in the world) to digitise tapes is seen as being an inconvenience at best and at worst a waste of time and resources, which is a real shame.
That's so true, the old method definitely forced them to think much more about what they were doing. It also allowed them to make last-minute changes to the setlists in case they could think of a suitable video to play while a show was already airing! They just needed to go grab it in time from the library before the show was over.
Generally speaking, I think people working there in the '90s used to be more passionate about their jobs. Last but not least, they were given MUCH more creative freedom and fewer legal restrictions than today... but that's another story, as they could still make a better job even with today's restrictions, if they really wanted to.
However, I guess they just don't wanna bother with anything they don't consider VERY profitable anymore, which is a big shame.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - It is a bit of a paradox that 20 years ago they would employ dedicated teams of 10-15 people for each (weekly/daily) show, whereas now there's just 1 single person in charge of 2 channels!
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:01
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That's so true, the old method definitely forced them to think much more about what they were doing. It also allowed them to make last-minute changes to the setlists in case they could think of a suitable video to play while a show was already airing! They just needed to go grab it in time from the library before the show was over.
Generally speaking, I think people working there in the '90s used to be more passionate about their jobs. Last but not least, they were given MUCH more creative freedom and fewer legal restrictions than today... but that's another story, as they could still make a better job even with today's restrictions, if they really wanted to.
However, I guess they just don't wanna bother with anything they don't consider VERY profitable anymore, which is a big shame.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - It is a bit of a paradox that 20 years ago they would employ dedicated teams of 10-15 people for each (weekly/daily) show, whereas now there's just 1 single person in charge of 2 channels!
Yet and that is exactly where they are failing .... how is one person meant to know how each channel dictates or playlists? Come to think about new ideas! But I guess it will never be like that again, I wouldn't blame it all on the automation its just laziness with whoever runs the channels - they do think the public in general are idiots - but again these channels are creative with zero talent filling the airwaves whilst the hardworking people who try to get spotted are either highlighted for so long and then thrown to the dogs

I think in general the "excitement" of these channels have faded and they have killed it themselves being honest - thinking reality shows is going to keep them going I doubt very much and as mentioned before with VH1, that was at least a half decent channel til whoever took over it and running it has turned it into a shambles of a station (playlisting) - the whole industry needs a wake up call I wonder if it'll be anytime soon?
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Old 07-01-2014, 14:01
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Magic TV you bunch of dumbos playing Bryan Adams in the Top 50 AMERICAN Heartbreakers??
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Old 07-01-2014, 14:06
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It is a bit of a paradox that 20 years ago they would employ dedicated teams of 10-15 people for each (weekly/daily) show, whereas now there's just 1 single person in charge of 2 channels!
Recently 1 programmer was running 3 channels: MTV Music, MTV Dance and VIVA. Although I think that's changed now.
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Old 07-01-2014, 15:12
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How does BET work? That doesn't seem to come from Camden though I did see an MTV UK advert on there the other day. Is it broadcast and programmed from New York?
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Old 07-01-2014, 15:33
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Recently 1 programmer was running 3 channels: MTV Music, MTV Dance and VIVA. Although I think that's changed now.
With approximately 3 daily hours of music to add manually on VIVA (mainly in the shape of 'Top 5 Rihanna', 'Top 5 Britney', 'Top 5 Beyoncé', 'Top 10 today'...), that was probably just about 10 minutes of extra work for the person in charge of the other 2 channels!
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Old 07-01-2014, 19:15
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How does BET work? That doesn't seem to come from Camden though I did see an MTV UK advert on there the other day. Is it broadcast and programmed from New York?
UK control if you see trailers for MTV UK, Another one bites the dust. Expect the programs to get worse.
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Old 07-01-2014, 20:23
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How does BET work? That doesn't seem to come from Camden though I did see an MTV UK advert on there the other day. Is it broadcast and programmed from New York?
BET International was originally broadcast from New York, received by MTV in Camden then uplinked to satellite. I think that's still the case.

Last year BET added several MTV shows to the schedule, but then pulled them all on the day they were due to start.
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Old 07-01-2014, 22:15
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UK control if you see trailers for MTV UK, Another one bites the dust. Expect the programs to get worse.
I do wonder what the ad was for? If it was for something like "Geordie Shore" then yep I would agree bites the dust (or was it an ad for Domestic Abuse), still though how much do we need to know about MfrigginTV - if you got viewers who like BET for what it is I doubt they would give two hoots about MTV! MTV advertising for its own shows is heading into overdrive now - they doing the right thing I would say, turning people off other stations whilst heavily promoting MTV's guff
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Old 08-01-2014, 15:34
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Looks like Chart Show and sister channels aren't playing Beyonce: live in Vegas today for the first time since November (unless it was much earlier this morning).

Instead, they have lots of Beyonce programmes.

Also, Planet Pop have just put up Miley's new song with the graphics showing her name as Miley Circus.

They could be right.
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Old 08-01-2014, 17:26
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Also, Planet Pop have just put up Miley's new song with the graphics showing her name as Miley Circus.

They could be right.
Planet Pop are totally right!
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Old 08-01-2014, 21:34
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New this weekend on Vh1:
"Saturday Night 00s Disco".. on Sunday from 10pm.

Coming soon to MTV Dance:
"Martin Garrix's EDM Anthems." (First airing 25th January at 13:00)
"Flashback: Trance Classics" (2nd February at 20:00)
"Back To The Old Skool" (9th February at 20:00)
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Old 08-01-2014, 22:49
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New this weekend on Vh1:
"Saturday Night 00s Disco".. on Sunday from 10pm.

Coming soon to MTV Dance:
"Martin Garrix's EDM Anthems." (First airing 25th January at 13:00)
"Flashback: Trance Classics" (2nd February at 20:00)
"Back To The Old Skool" (9th February at 20:00)
LOL -- wow who's up for a drink on Sunday oh wait its a Saturday 00's Disco ... right? whoever is running VH1 needs sacked and with immediate effect seems obvious they have no idea of what day of the week now and I wouldn't count on it being a 00's disco (I will gather from their other decades disco's that songs from 70-90's will sneak in --- again not much of a 00's disco there VH1 .... shame on you!!)
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Old 08-01-2014, 23:59
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I do wonder what the ad was for? If it was for something like "Geordie Shore" then yep I would agree bites the dust (or was it an ad for Domestic Abuse), still though how much do we need to know about MfrigginTV - if you got viewers who like BET for what it is I doubt they would give two hoots about MTV! MTV advertising for its own shows is heading into overdrive now - they doing the right thing I would say, turning people off other stations whilst heavily promoting MTV's guff
It was the domestic abuse ad that I saw on BET.
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Old 09-01-2014, 18:01
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If anyone is planning on watching Hearts US Diva's at 7pm for 2 hours, I can tell you that if it's a repeat of earlier, it's basically Perry v Pink v Beyonce v Gaga v Carey.
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:30
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It was the domestic abuse ad that I saw on BET.
AAH same ad they have inflicted on all their viacom channels in UK I take it (unsure if Nick carries them), possibly is one small step before they channel is fully inflicted with MTV UK ads next .... give it time....
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Old 11-01-2014, 23:20
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VH-1 Saturday Night 80's Disco playing BRUNO MARSSSSSSSSSSS

Oh it would appear even though the on screen description is 80's it is playing current music.
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Old 11-01-2014, 23:37
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VH-1 Saturday Night 80's Disco playing BRUNO MARSSSSSSSSSSS

Oh it would appear even though the on screen description is 80's it is playing current music.
and the ongoing VH1 saga continues........VH1 have no clue what is "disco" nor what actually qualifies for "80's/90's" 00's will be debatable too (as supposedly thats tomorrow night! (would have been better running it thurs-sat night - idiots!)

Try reporting this to MTV UK .... falls under the radar no matter what the viewer has said.....

Letter to MTV UK

Dear sir or madam

Please sack the lot at VH1 they are doing a bad job ... please also MTV stop bombarding the viewer be it VH1 or watching one of the MTV stations regarding your reality shows, most of us out there could not give a flying toss about the shows, please if you have an ounce of strength please concentrate on MUSIC and getting your playlists more in line with the channel (or is there more to this that we the viewer don't know??) and lastly please drop the charade of carrying "teleshopping" on all of your channels either become 24 hours or basically close down for the night..... possibly more that I can write but I presume everyone on this thread has the same sort of idea anyway....
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:56
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They played a Bruno Mars song "Gorilla" complete with the lines and subtitles "M*th*rf*ck*r" and "f*c*ing" but they can't play "Fairytale of New York without removing "Scumbag you faggot"
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Old 12-01-2014, 11:08
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They played a Bruno Mars song "Gorilla" complete with the lines and subtitles "M*th*rf*ck*r" and "f*c*ing" but they can't play "Fairytale of New York without removing "Scumbag you faggot"
I have always wondered why they have done that to Fairytale Of New York ruins it for me .... oh well double standards I reckon

Heck there is one of Beyonce's songs they might as well let her say the swear words in full ..... run the world (girls) .... who runs this muthaf..ker (girls), I'll take it with some artists they are being risky in lyrics will pass without detection
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:33
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They edit out Britney's Work B*tch on all channels but continue to play other songs with the same word in. Christina Aguilera says 'Super B*tch' in one of her songs when it's rarely played and some artists will be edited and others not for many various reasons.

A case of 'if the face fits'.
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:37
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They edit out Britney's Work B*tch on all channels but continue to play other songs with the same word in. Christina Aguilera says 'Super B*tch' in one of her songs when it's rarely played and some artists will be edited and others not for many various reasons.

A case of 'if the face fits'.
Hell I remember Radio/this lot edit Taio Cruz Dirty Picture - they edited out "dirty" censorship gone mad
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:02
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Hell I remember Radio/this lot edit Taio Cruz Dirty Picture - they edited out "dirty" censorship gone mad
Yeah, that is ridiculous.

As I say, it's a case of if the face fits - if that was Perry/Gaga/Rihanna/Beyonce/Pink etc they'd play it.

Talking of Beyonce, they love her so much MTV Hits are currently playing her on Ultimate Party Hits From The Boys - something they aren't telling us?
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