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Kate can only throw this away now.
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nickymonger
21-05-2009
Originally Posted by Ms Amphipolis:
“That's one of the concerns I have for Kate too, although I really like her, and think she's a pretty good all-rounder.

Also, she proved that being "involved" with a good looking bloke can affect her business focus (ie the task in Liverpool). Would Sir Alan risk the possibility of this happening again in "real life", and with his own business and money, if she became his Apprentice?”

In real life, you wouldn't be working with your boyfriend in that sort of environment. they'll split you up. In my workplace, if I got with someone, I have to declare it and they wouldn't have us working in the same team. It's like Phil said,. He split himself off from Kate when he was PM so that he wasn't distracted. Lorraine paired them up so they had no choice in this instance.
meglosmurmurs
22-05-2009
Kate can only throw this away now?

Who's to say she hasn't already?
If I was looking for a way to jeopardize my chance at getting the job then messing around with another candidate would be high on my list.
I just hope she doesn't get pregnant and require lots of maternity leave.

Sirallun is always very conscious of what his potential winner has contributed in each task. For week 7 it's going to say - fluttering eyelashes and lots of flirting.
nickymonger
22-05-2009
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“Kate can only throw this away now?

Who's to say she hasn't already?
If I was looking for a way to jeopardize my chance at getting the job then messing around with another candidate would be high on my list.
I just hope she doesn't get pregnant and require lots of maternity leave.

Sirallun is always very conscious of what his potential winner has contributed in each task. For week 7 it's going to say - fluttering eyelashes and lots of flirting.”

I think Philip will get the most flack for that and you have to wonder why Philip has in every interview gone about emphasizing that he wasn't focussed, but kate was. If she had already been fired, why try to detract blame from Kate onto himself and make her out to be a model candidate. Mona emphasized how smart Kate was and a good candidate. Then Ben said the same (including Debra and Yasmina). What Kate will have in her favour is the fact she immediately picked herself up and performed well for 2 weeks in a row. He's generally given those he liked one chance. If she screws up again, she is in danger. That is why I said this week I think its paramount for her to do well and logical for her to be PM. James being funny and natural in front of the camera regarding Wit doesn't mean that team would necessarily win. At the end of the day, it is the products people would care about. And if Debra is in charge, she may go all out with a high value product and take a risk for a good sale. Kate thinks more strategically and would probably spread the risk from low value, large market base to niche product imo. If Debra is in charge, there is a chance she could ignore some of the sensible comments of the rest of her team and could lose them the task. I thought this task was based on preformance which, from the clips, indicates Kate's team would lose. But if it is based on product sales; it is a mixture of products vs entertainment, so no guarantee as to which team wins. Every chance it could be a James, Debra, Yasmina boardroom with Debra/James going.

As for pregnancy; you have that risk with every candidate. What makes Kate any more likely to get pregnant than anyone else. The others are unlikely to be single for the rest of their lives are they? Kate doesnt strike me that she wants to get pregnant any time soon.
whedon247
22-05-2009
final 4 of kate,howard,yasmina and debra i think

yasmina to win
DavetheScot
23-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“What makes Kate any more likely to get pregnant than anyone else.”

She's more likely to get pregnant than James or Howard
llamajohn
23-05-2009
I love Kate, would be nice to finally have a winner I like!
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Speaking of kate; has anyone else noticed her new hairstyle? I much prefer the warmer tones and having the bits of auburn in it.
memmh
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by FlaviaCacake:
“And Surallan has overlooked Christina and Claire Young only to appoint seemingly weaker male candidates. Kate can only lose this.”

Wasn't Claire the candidate that was offered the position and decided not to take it or was that a different series?



I think that Kate and Yasmina will probably be the final two but personally I'd far rather employ Kate than Yasmina.

» Kate is professional, gets on well with everyone, is willing to give credit to others and, apart from one or two blips, has always performed well and done a good job. She seems more than competent. I know she didn't do one pitch well and she didn't make any sales on that sales task but she's proved she can do both of those on other tasks.

» Yasmina, on the other hand, when she won her two tasks as PM it was by default: both times it was more because the other teams did worse than hers than because her team actually did well. Her catering, for someone who owns and runs a restaurant, was abysmal and she didn't get the rebrand of Margate right either. Her team did the promotional material better than the other and they did their pitch better (without lying) but they didn't actually rebrand the town or even come up with a new way to present the current branding. And while I agree that it wasn't helpful for Lorraine to bring up what she didn't like about the posters just before the deadline, the way Yasmina spoke about Lorraine was extremely unprofessional; I didn't like that at all.
Lolitä
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“As for pregnancy; you have that risk with every candidate. What makes Kate any more likely to get pregnant than anyone else. The others are unlikely to be single for the rest of their lives are they? Kate doesnt strike me that she wants to get pregnant any time soon.”

Quite. I personally would consider Howard and James as far more likely to drop their knickers, be slipshod with the synthetic hormones/johnnies and end up pregnant.
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by Lolitä:
“Quite. I personally would consider Howard and James as far more likely to drop their knickers, be slipshod with the synthetic hormones/johnnies and end up pregnant. ”

I thought people would be intelligent enough to realise I was talking about female candidates aka Yasmina, Debra, Lorraine. If people are actually suggesting that SAS would only hire men, even with the females being stronger candidates, because of the possibility of a woman getting pregnant at a later date then I'd have to question the "equal opportunities" act.

Regarding the above; it could also be argued that Kate didn't do amazingly on her task either. It was the better campaign, but the advert considered weak. At the same time; the interviewers mentioned that they weren't expecting perfect adverts as people were not in the industry. That is where Kim could have shined as she was the only one who was.

However, I think Kate vs Yasmina are definately the most evenly matched of the candidates, with varying strengths.

Kate's strengths are in sales, pitching, business acumen, ability to motivate and get on with others.

Yasmina's strengths lie in her leadership skills, the way she gets on with others (ie. she is also able to motivate), business acumen, thinking quick on her feet. The food task at the end of the day wasn't about repeat orders; it was about the greatest profit and she got that and delivered on the results. The rebranding task was less of a clear win as there was some question as to the message of the campaign. But overall; it won and 7/10 not bad.

Kate's task didn't require them to be advertising experts. Her campaign was considered the best.

For me; whether they win the task or don't, who got 5 more sales is irrelevant. For me; who wins the show should be the person who fits the mould of the company and has the attributes SAS is looking for, exhibiting key strengths. It's not for me who has the best personality, is most likeable or feeling sorry for someone. I love Jame's personality and he is the person I find most likeable. Doesn't mean I think he should win.

For me; the candidates that have exhibited key strengths and weaknesses "consistently" are Kate and Yasmina. ie. no flukes as we have seen the same strengths repeated. They have both mucked up granted, but in the real world we do too. It's about whether they learn from those mistakes. I do think Howard does show some key strengths, but I did find his week as pm one of the weakest and i think he lacks leadership skills. I also put him at the bottom partly because I feel he hasn't been as consistent as all others in the team, including Lorraine and James, as I only started to notice him a few weeks back.
Lolitä
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I thought people would be intelligent enough to realise I was talking about female candidates aka Yasmina, Debra, Lorraine. If people are actually suggesting that SAS would only hire men, even with the females being stronger candidates, because of the possibility of a woman getting pregnant at a later date then I'd have to question the "equal opportunities" act. ”

Christ almighty, I wasn't being serious! How much more obvious could I have made it? What you were getting at was clear and you put it across perfectly adequately. I was joking.
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by Lolitä:
“Christ almighty, I wasn't being serious! How much more obvious could I have made it? What you were getting at was clear and you put it across perfectly adequately. I was joking.”

Sorry. Bit sensitive. Drank a bit too much yesterday and so a bit snappy and it's about the fifth time someone said that. Sorry for being defensive.
Lolitä
24-05-2009
No problemo. I know the feeling only too well!
wendy09
24-05-2009
unfortunately kate has that debra streak in her .. not a nice characteristic ..which she does well to hide behind her smile and coy / flirty looks.
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“unfortunately kate has that debra streak in her .. not a nice characteristic ..which she does well to hide behind her smile and coy / flirty looks.”

I have never seen Debra commend other candidates or stick up for them either.
Tern
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I have never seen Debra commend other candidates or stick up for them either.”

I think that was exactly the point Wendy09 was making.

Were you intending to agree with her?
Inspiration
24-05-2009
Kate is the type of candidate who sinks in the interview bit. I've a feeling Howard might win it.
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“I think that was exactly the point Wendy09 was making.

Were you intending to agree with her?”

Well I think you will find that Kate has, whereby we have the show video footage to prove, which surely makes it the opposite I think you might find
nickymonger
24-05-2009
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Kate is the type of candidate who sinks in the interview bit. I've a feeling Howard might win it.”

Possibly. We really haven't had much chance to see her in action as she hasn't been in the boardroom much.

But she has managed to answer difficult questions in pitches from clients before (the cereal task and margate task). Mona also specifically mentions in her interview about Kate that Kate is like a robot and she thinks it amazing how she has a pre-programmed answer for everything and comes out of it well. Therefore, this suggests that the candidates certainly feel that she can defend difficult questions well.

I would feel very disappointed if Howard won the programme after underperforming and doing little for 3/4 of the show. It would feel like a disservice to other candidates. SAS doesn't seem to rate him highly either.
DavetheScot
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I thought people would be intelligent enough to realise I was talking about female candidates aka Yasmina, Debra, Lorraine. If people are actually suggesting that SAS would only hire men, even with the females being stronger candidates, because of the possibility of a woman getting pregnant at a later date then I'd have to question the "equal opportunities" act. ”

If you leave a loophole for pedants to jump through, then jump through it we will
nickymonger
25-05-2009
there does seem to be some rumours that Kate could be up for the chop this week as SAS likes to do surprise firings. What do people think about that?
DavetheScot
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“there does seem to be some rumours that Kate could be up for the chop this week as SAS likes to do surprise firings. What do people think about that?”

If she screws up, fair enough, but it'd really be bollocks to fire someone just to surprise the viewers.
nickymonger
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“If she screws up, fair enough, but it'd really be bollocks to fire someone just to surprise the viewers.”

That's what I thought. But apparantly this happens every year. I don't usually follow so avidly.

I guess the main screw ups in the next task would be poor presenting, poor product choice, poor direction, no sales.
DavetheScot
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“That's what I thought. But apparantly this happens every year. I don't usually follow so avidly.

I guess the main screw ups in the next task would be poor presenting, poor product choice, poor direction, no sales.”

Well, there are sometimes completely absurd firings - Shazia last year and Mona this year, for instance. But I didn't see them as done just for a "surprise". I think Mona was fired because Sir Alan had already formed a low opinion of her and wanted rid of her even though Debra was clearly the one most responsible for losing the task. Shazia I think went because Sir Alan just made a mistake, and fired her for one fairly minor error when clearly Jenny C had screwed up the whole task with a continously awful performance.

I hope this rumour is wrong. By the way, shouldn't rumours be in spoilers? I'm replying to this, but I'd really rather not have read it. I don't want to know about rumours.
thenetworkbabe
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“there does seem to be some rumours that Kate could be up for the chop this week as SAS likes to do surprise firings. What do people think about that?”


He's perfectly capable of making incomprehensible decisions - probably 20% of his firings prove it - as do his last two choices for winner.
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