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Old 18-05-2009, 09:17
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I see that Maplin are offering a Free Satelite PVR, twin tuner, 350gb for £179.99.
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http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=229148

Whilst this is not a "proper" Freesat box, it shows the way the market is going.

DTT receivers were hundreds of pounds when they first came on the market, but can be had for under one hundred pounds now (£75 at ASDA).

They also do an HD Sat box with USB PVR for £129.99.

Rather than accept the buggy Freesat offerings available for £279 now, I will be waiting till I can buy a "Finished" Freesat PVR for under £150. How long do you think I will have to wait?
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Old 18-05-2009, 09:23
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Rather than accept the buggy Freesat offerings available for £279 now, I will be waiting till I can buy a "Finished" Freesat PVR for under £150. How long do you think I will have to wait?
I take it you're very young?, even so the expectancy isn't good.
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Old 18-05-2009, 09:29
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Young enough to have bought my first pocket calculator in the seventies for £80, when they first came out. The same spec now would be a fiver - or much, much less if you factor in inflation.
Young enough to remember Harrods displaying the first Flat Screen TVs at £20000. The same spec now costs £500 - £600.
You can see where this going..............
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Old 18-05-2009, 10:12
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I can say with some confidence that it won't happen in the next 18 months at least, not saying in 18 months it will get that cheap, but based on the numbers I have it won't be where you want it to be inside 2010. Unless A.N Other vendor manages it... I doubt it though.
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Old 18-05-2009, 10:18
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I take it you're very young?, even so the expectancy isn't good.
I will be extremely surprised if they have not come down to that level within five years.

Which is a much shorter wait than that for Freeview!
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Old 18-05-2009, 10:34
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Unless A.N Other vendor manages it... I doubt it though.
They'd have to be lucky enough to get approval from Freesat first
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Old 18-05-2009, 10:46
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They'd have to be lucky enough to get approval from Freesat first
Ian, could another vendor make a box that displayed the Freesat EPG and just not all it a 'Freesat' box?

Or would the need approval to actually display the EPG?
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Old 18-05-2009, 12:47
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The mechanism for receiving the Freesat EPG is copyrighted, if someone derives another mechanism to receive the EPG then they might be able to use it, but again the information contained (event descriptions) is copyright.

Plus, it would be difficult to sell a product which receives the EPG but doesn't use the name freesat. The Fortec products do receive some sort of EPG data, but they have yet (to my knowledge) to get significant volume.
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Old 18-05-2009, 14:25
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I see that Maplin are offering a Free Satelite PVR, twin tuner, 350gb for £179.99.
See link -
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=229148

Whilst this is not a "proper" Freesat box, it shows the way the market is going.

DTT receivers were hundreds of pounds when they first came on the market, but can be had for under one hundred pounds now (£75 at ASDA).

They also do an HD Sat box with USB PVR for £129.99.

Rather than accept the buggy Freesat offerings available for £279 now, I will be waiting till I can buy a "Finished" Freesat PVR for under £150. How long do you think I will have to wait?
That is SD only and similar have been available around Europe at similar prices for over two years - when I purchased my Targa twin tuner 250 Gb PVR as a "new" clearance item at £99 - which Lidl were selling at £199 in November 2006.

So £20 price reduction in two half years and only 70 Gb HDD size increase - a long, long way to go for twin tuner HD PVRs at £150
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Old 18-05-2009, 14:37
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No series link, no HD. This is worse value than paying the extra £100 for the Humax.

Wouldnt surprise me if it was far more buggy too.
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Old 18-05-2009, 21:00
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I can say with some confidence that it won't happen in the next 18 months at least, not saying in 18 months it will get that cheap, but based on the numbers I have it won't be where you want it to be inside 2010. Unless A.N Other vendor manages it... I doubt it though.
Glad the Firmware thread didn't scare you off. I knew you were made of sterner stuff!
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Old 18-05-2009, 21:42
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Am I the only person worried you'd be buying a lemon of a PVR?

I'll get my coat...
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Old 18-05-2009, 21:59
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hillel,

I don't worry too much, plus I currently can't read every post anyway. To be honest I also don't read every post as I used to because I would just be repeating myself. I leave it to those on here to be informed by my previous ramblings and in tern comment. I think it works for now, if I find an interesting point or see something heading in the wrong direction I might comment.

On topic:
Buy cheap, pay twice.

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Old 22-05-2009, 23:08
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hillel,

I don't worry too much, plus I currently can't read every post anyway. etc etc

On topic:
Buy cheap, pay twice.

Bob
I bought a "cheap" Toshiba LCD rather than an "expensive" Panasonic mainly because Which? says Toshys were far more reliable.

I paid a packet for an HDR that fails to communicate correctly with anything via HDMI!

There is cheap, as in shoddy, and cheap as in low cost.

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Old 22-05-2009, 23:22
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Mine fails to communicate too but we will have 2 manufacturers blaming each other for it.

Hardware wise, the HDR is very, very good. Software wise, its very bad and its taken a long time to fix.

But at least it can be fixed.
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Old 22-05-2009, 23:24
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Mine fails to communicate too but we will have 2 manufacturers blaming each other for it.

Hardware wise, the HDR is very, very good. Software wise, its very bad and its taken a long time to fix.

But at least it can be fixed.
It CAN, but will they?
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Old 23-05-2009, 07:04
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The mechanism for receiving the Freesat EPG is copyrighted, if someone derives another mechanism to receive the EPG then they might be able to use it, but again the information contained (event descriptions) is copyright.
I don't think that displaying something that is copyright that is freely broadcast would be a problem. The programmes themselves are copyright.
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Old 23-05-2009, 09:22
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I bought a "cheap" Toshiba LCD rather than an "expensive" Panasonic mainly because Which? says Toshys were far more reliable.
Well I wouldn't trust anything Which print

They aren't renowned for their accuracy, as for Toshiba vs' Panasonic, at least Panasonic make more of their own TV's - all smaller Toshiba sets are just cheap sets bought-in and badged.


I paid a packet for an HDR that fails to communicate correctly with anything via HDMI!
Never had any problems at all with the Humax PVR, they have all worked perfectly on every set we've tried them on.
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Old 23-05-2009, 09:24
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It CAN, but will they?
Who knows but that will sway my opinion on the product either way.
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Old 23-05-2009, 10:00
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Never had any problems at all with the Humax PVR, they have all worked perfectly on every set we've tried them on.
Your experience, as so often seems to be the case, would appear to be at odds with that of a lot of posters here.
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