I cant help but think contestants are learning from previous shows and its not actually 'them'

I bet you if in previous Sir Alan had not gone mental at contestants for favouritism towards friends and not making decisions due to business reasons... (even to the point where Sir Alan was going to fire people who did it)

I bet you she would not have turned on Philip and would have been against the woman instead and nice as pie to Philip!

But then on the other hand I guess theyre not learning as they keep making the same mistakes as previous shows like major costing errors

I definately think she did that deliberately. I have a different opinion in that I think Lorraine bought that up to discredit Kate, not Philip. Lorraine is not stupid and she must have picked up on the likes of Yamina and Kate's praise and unblemished record. Kate was suddenly put on the spot and her poor sales record blamed on her relationship withPhilip. She really had to do that. Prove to SAS that she had had her eye on the task and that the job meant more than Philip. I would have done exactly the same thing. She did it in a way to show her commitment to the job over a new relationship, whilst not caning Philip in the process. Philip attacked Lorraine and when Kate tried to say something, she was shot down by Lorraine with some comment like "I'm not listening", which at the time, considering Kate hadn't really said anything seemed a tad overthetop.

It was Philips reaction in the boardroom that surprised me. All fidgetty when the relationship came up and all throughout defending not only himself (which is all he should have been doing), but adding Kate. Me and Kate this, me and Kate that. I was sitting there thinking mate, you are supposed to be defending yourself, not slating Lorraine and bigging up your girlfriend. Even after the show....Kate is 10 times the candidate than Lorraine and I. It was at least a show to me he was a genuine guy after thinking him an a** for weeks. His defense of Kate was definately reactive and not premeditated. But it is hard to tell from his interviews as this is what 6 months later and now he has been in a relationship for a fair while, so you'd expect him to be all pro-kate.

I think Kate does well to separate the two than Philip. She's very clever. But I don't fault her for playing the game as it is an interview and this is for a 100k job. She usually knows when it is good to keep your mouth shot and as she is usually pitching still gets to shine in that regard. Id like to see her PM the next task and see how she does.

But I dont think its a bad thing to get stuck in, keep your mouth shut when necessary but ensure you play a big role in tasks.

[quote=nickymonger;32525890]I definately think she did that deliberately. I have a different opinion in that I think Lorraine bought that up to discredit Kate, not Philip. Lorraine is not stupid and she must have picked up on the likes of Yamina and Kate's praise and unblemished record. Kate was suddenly put on the spot and her poor sales record blamed on her relationship withPhilip. She really had to do that. Prove to SAS that she had had her eye on the task and that the job meant more than Philip. I would have done exactly the same thing. She did it in a way to show her commitment to the job over a new relationship, whilst not caning Philip in the process. Philip attacked Lorraine and when Kate tried to say something, she was shot down by Lorraine with some comment like "I'm not listening", which at the time, considering Kate hadn't really said anything seemed a tad overthetop.

It was Philips reaction in the boardroom that surprised me. All fidgetty when the relationship came up and all throughout defending not only himself (which is all he should have been doing), but adding Kate. Me and Kate this, me and Kate that. I was sitting there thinking mate, you are supposed to be defending yourself, not slating Lorraine and bigging up your girlfriend. Even after the show....Kate is 10 times the candidate than Lorraine and I. It was at least a show to me he was a genuine guy after thinking him an a** for weeks. His defense of Kate was definately reactive and not premeditated. But it is hard to tell from his interviews as this is what 6 months later and now he has been in a relationship for a fair while, so you'd expect him to be all pro-kate.

I think Kate does well to separate the two than Philip. She's very clever. But I don't fault her for playing the game as it is an interview and this is for a 100k job. She usually knows when it is good to keep your mouth shot and as she is usually pitching still gets to shine in that regard. Id like to see her PM the next task and see how she does.

But I dont think its a bad thing to get stuck in, keep your mouth shut when necessary but ensure you play a big role in tasks.

I still find it interesting that the more autocratic leaders and pushier/more confident people, who should ordinarily have the biggest issues when working together have worked well...Debra, Kate, Ben, Yasmina. I think that was Phil's biggest issue. all of the above are not people who sit down, ponder things through and then make a decision. They are all now people and proactive people. All of them either get annoyed or look annoyed with pussyfooting about.

I think Kate probably learned from Paul and Katie in series 3. Katie took her relationship being brought up very personally, and allowed her feelings to interfere with business - which was why she turned on Adam big time and feuded with Kristina, and came across badly. She also claimed Paul had performed well as PM when he hadn't.

Kate however, didn't allow this to happen - she fairly stated that Philip had not performed on that task, and did not pick a fight with Lorraine like Katie did with Adam and Kristina. She did allow Philip's flirting to interfere with her performance on task, but in the boardroom she was totally professional and fair. She probably accepted that Philip should have been fired, unlike Katie who felt Adam should have been fired instead of Paul (she was wrong, as Adam sold well, while Paul was a total disaster area).

I don't think Kate accepted so much that Lorraine shouldn't have been fired though. I think it was more a case that she knew they both could have done better and that she knew they hadn't performed well. It's clear Kate doesn't think much of Lorraine as her disdain at the end of the episode was very clear and Phil has mentioned in interviews they disagree on the subject of Lorraine and her boardroom reveal. It sounds to me like Kate took it badly but knows it isn't in her interests to allow a personal vendetta to manifest itself. I definately don't think that she thinks Lorraine a better candidate than Philip though. she's just keeping her opinions to herself than airing them in the boardroom.

Although Sir Alan hasn't gone mental about previous relationships. He didn't go mental at Paul or Katie, for example. If anything, he supported Katie when Adam repeatedly tried to claim she'd under-performed the following week because she was pining for her boyfriend.

And of course getting involved with Syed didn't prevent Michelle from winning.

I think it's pretty much general knowledge that relationships in the workplace can be a problem, especially if they lead to conflicts of interest, and you don't need to have watched previous series to know it. If anything, when candidates go running with tales to Sir Alan, I think they expect a greater reaction from him than he gives.

Wasn't it only later, after Michelle had won, that the fling with Syed happened?