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The Apprentice Series 5 - Episode 9 - BBC1 9pm + YF BBC2 10pm
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Tern
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“Would you be equally happy to have, say, Kate described as having won the cereal task? Do you regard the PM as the winner or loser in every task rather than the whole team?”

Kate won the cereal task as PM. How could it be anything else?

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“Now, put that way, is a much better way of putting it. Why couldn't you say that the first time than writing it a way that made it seem like you were saying that Lorraine won the task for the team.”

I just assumed that anyone would have the sense to understand the intended meaning as any other would be nonsensical.

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“That is what bothers me. Win or lose; they win or lose as a team. If we got the stats back and say 9 buggies had been sold and Kate sold 4, Howard 3 and Lorraine 2. Did Lorraine win the task or was it a team effort?”

Even if L. sold none she still won the task as PM.
nickymonger
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Kate won the cereal task as PM. How could it be anything else?



I just assumed that anyone would have the sense to understand the intended meaning as any other would be nonsensical.



Even if L. sold none she still won the task as PM.”


A conclusion thought due to the way you talk about Lorraine on the board. It's not a hard stretch to believe you saw Lorraine as the winner of the task given other posts made in the past. You do come across one of her biggest fans after all. And the deliberate exclusion of mentioning other names could assume you didn't think they contributed to the win.

I think the main point most of us have made is that win or lose a task; that affords you immunity, but they aren't just judged on winning. The hired apprentice of this competition is not down to who won the most tasks, but SAS with interviewers making an assessment of the person who will best fit his organisation. I think that all the candidates left are competent enough to do the job; it's who would best fit in the firm and who he thinks would perform best overall. SAS most likely already knows who he wants in the final, as after this length of time we have seen people's strengths and weaknesses. Unless someone really screws up, then it will just be a matter of gradually firing the rest (most likely based on TV value). ie. is Debra being kept for TV value in the interviews given the obvious dislike of the interviewers? Was James kept for his obvious telly value in the next task given SAS doesn't seem to like him much? Was Ben fired as he added least telly value to go on?

Even small things get noted. Like SAS bought up in the boardroom key points about negotiations, product choice and checking exclusivity. All these points get noted whether the team wins or loses.

Yasmina may have been on the losing team, but she didn't come across as badly as the rest.
Tern
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“A conclusion thought due to the way you talk about Lorraine on the board.”

I think you are taking a far too black and white view. Just because someone has a different viewpoint to you does not mean that they are beyond reason.

Lorraine is by no means the best candidate but she is a good, competant and intuative worker.

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“It's not a hard stretch to believe you saw Lorraine as the winner of the task”

LOL.

I think you read what you want to read!

Just because someone thinks that a candidate is being given an undeservedly hard time by a lot of posters doesn't mean that they think that candidate is perfect or superhuman.

It seems to me that you have completely misunderstood and are now trying to project that misunderstanding on to someone else by claiming that you assumed that what they said indicated something completely senseless rather than simply taking it to mean something more obvious and perfectly sensible.

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“ And the deliberate exclusion of mentioning other names could assume you didn't think they contributed to the win.”

Are you projecting your own way of looking at things onto other people?

I can't see how you could think for one minute that anyone could imply that only one member of a team was involved unless you are capable of such bizarre thoughts yourself.
sarahcs
25-05-2009
So how do we think the shopping channel task will go?
Tern
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by sarahcs:
“So how do we think the shopping channel task will go?”

Wrong thread - that's episode 10.
nickymonger
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“I think you are taking a far too black and white view. Just because someone has a different viewpoint to you does not mean that they are beyond reason.

Lorraine is by no means the best candidate but she is a good, competant and intuative worker.



LOL.

I think you read what you want to read!

Just because someone thinks that a candidate is being given an undeservedly hard time by a lot of posters doesn't mean that they think that candidate is perfect or superhuman.

It seems to me that you have completely misunderstood and are now trying to project that misunderstanding on to someone else by claiming that you assumed that what they said indicated something completely senseless rather than simply taking it to mean something more obvious and perfectly sensible.



Are you projecting your own way of looking at things onto other people?

I can't see how you could think for one minute that anyone could imply that only one member of a team was involved unless you are capable of such bizarre thoughts yourself.”

LOL It's almost laughable now that I just can't be bothered to argue with you anymore. We'll just agree to disagree eh?
cookie_365
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Wrong thread - that's episode 10. ”

Yes, this is the 'Was it Lorraine or was it Lorraine's team wot won it?' thread. Maybe a mod needs to rename it so no-one interested in general discussion about Episode 9 tunes in by mistake
DavetheScot
25-05-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Kate won the cereal task as PM. How could it be anything else?”

Fair enough. This argument seems to have been based on a misunderstanding over semantics.
memmh
27-05-2009
Margaret's weekly column is up on the Telegraph website: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-Week-Ten.html
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