I liked Debra the first few weeks before I realised shes a arrogant, ignorant, aggressive, rude individual.
Would you like her in your company? I certainly wouldn't.
Would you like her in your company? I certainly wouldn't.
Debra - Is the flack she gets justified?
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Originally Posted by TheAmazingDanny:
“@OP - Not really.
Last night for example, when trying to sell the rocking horse.
"Either you want it or you don't, if you don't then just leave it" - and the bloke did. And I don't blame him. I'd walk away from a sale if someone said that to me.”
“@OP - Not really.
Last night for example, when trying to sell the rocking horse.
"Either you want it or you don't, if you don't then just leave it" - and the bloke did. And I don't blame him. I'd walk away from a sale if someone said that to me.”
That's an interesting example, because it never occurred to me to see that as rude.
Maybe that's why the different views of Debra? We all have different views of what behaviour is acceptable?
I think she's OK. She's far from the most unpleasant ever candidate, as FlaviaCacake suggests - what about Philip and Ben from this series, Michael, Alex and the abominable Jenny C from S4, and Katie from S3?
Debra's obviously very self confident and strong willed and used to getting her own way which could alienate her and cause friction and indeed has in previous tasks including this one. She might appear 'rude' to some, personally she should have taken that offer for the rocking horse, if nothing else it would have bumped up her sales figures! However, I don't dislike her and indeed i think she could be in with a chance of winning; i wouldn't be surprised to see her in the final week.
Originally Posted by Reddyb:
“I don't think she should get so much flack like she has been getting in the boardroom. Ok so she is pretty aggressive when she's bought in there, but I think that's because it's soo intense. Outside when they are doing the day to day tasks and speaking to custeomers/suppliers she seems absolutely fine.”
“I don't think she should get so much flack like she has been getting in the boardroom. Ok so she is pretty aggressive when she's bought in there, but I think that's because it's soo intense. Outside when they are doing the day to day tasks and speaking to custeomers/suppliers she seems absolutely fine.”
She seems okay to me.
I know that through the editing she may appear as some sort of wicked witch, but personally I don't think she's that bad at all.
I think it has more to do with her icy cold manner she sometimes portrays in serious situations and that she fights her corner, but I don't see anything wrong with her really.
A couple of the male contestants have been far worse.
I think it's more about a perception through the editing rather than about how she actually is.
Originally Posted by Reddyb:
“I don't think she should get so much flack like she has been getting in the boardroom. Ok so she is pretty aggressive when she's bought in there, but I think that's because it's soo intense. Outside when they are doing the day to day tasks and speaking to custeomers/suppliers she seems absolutely fine.”
“I don't think she should get so much flack like she has been getting in the boardroom. Ok so she is pretty aggressive when she's bought in there, but I think that's because it's soo intense. Outside when they are doing the day to day tasks and speaking to custeomers/suppliers she seems absolutely fine.”
This week was silly- SAS was going on about a problem that wasn't significant this week. She laid out things as they were in the boardroom and made the point that the blame either attached to her and Ben for pushing the horse or James for accepting the idea. She rightly made the point at the time that there was a safer option. The horse is a gamble and she realised that. From a SAS teaching point of view she's made the grade - she's missed the need to get a special offer on the horse but then so have Ben and James. James didn't seem to understand much at all whilst Ben thought he understood much more than he did. From SAS's point of view she's also learnt the Claire lesson and shut up in the boardroom this week. She's had a problem not tolerating fools gladly but she wisely didn't go for James this week. SAS also seems quite impressed with how determined and ballsy she is.
Her real problem is that SAS will remember her challenging Nick when he can't be seen to allow that and on the business calls two or three people have a better record and two or three people are better at getting a group to work for them.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Debra could have won that task for her team last night and be hailed as a hero, with Lorraine definitely a goner on the other team, if she had the freedom to negotiate on the price. I'm sure if she was allowed to put in a call to the owner of the rocking horse he would have sanctioned the sale at £1,500.”
“Debra could have won that task for her team last night and be hailed as a hero, with Lorraine definitely a goner on the other team, if she had the freedom to negotiate on the price. I'm sure if she was allowed to put in a call to the owner of the rocking horse he would have sanctioned the sale at £1,500.”
I'm sure she was allowed to call him, but didn't think to do so. After failing to negotiate with him when she and Ben went to look at the horses and then failing to call him when she was at the show with a buyer ready to part with his cash, I think she had a very lucky escape.
She's rude and dishonest. She might be a perfectly nice person in her real life, but she certainly is not coming across as a nice person on this show.
Originally Posted by friartuck:
“I liked Debra the first few weeks before I realised shes a arrogant, ignorant, aggressive, rude individual.
Would you like her in your company? I certainly wouldn't.”
“I liked Debra the first few weeks before I realised shes a arrogant, ignorant, aggressive, rude individual.
Would you like her in your company? I certainly wouldn't.”
If her behaviour and interpersonal skills in this show are anything to go by, she must be a truly horrendous individual to work with.
Sir Alan was correct in what he said about her capacity for alienating people - that's exactly what she does.
I can't understand why some women feel that the only way to get anything done is by behaving like that.
Originally Posted by Cazza23:
“If her behaviour and interpersonal skills in this show are anything to go by, she must be a truly horrendous individual to work with.
Sir Alan was correct in what he said about her capacity for alienating people - that's exactly what she does.
I can't understand why some women feel that the only way to get anything done is by behaving like that.”
“If her behaviour and interpersonal skills in this show are anything to go by, she must be a truly horrendous individual to work with.
Sir Alan was correct in what he said about her capacity for alienating people - that's exactly what she does.
I can't understand why some women feel that the only way to get anything done is by behaving like that.”
That in my experience is what a lot of successful but not very nice sales people can be like. Ruthless!
I have to say that I find it difficult to understand the hate directed towards her. Yes she can be quite aggressive but she hasn't ever bullied anyone or picked on others. Anyone she argues with tends to give as good as they get so it's not like they're scared of her.
I don't think she's that bad , she's certainly not genuinely nasty like some of last year's lot who made up lies to get other candidates fired and constantly called other candidates "vicious" and evil" for no apparent reason.
I don't think she's that bad , she's certainly not genuinely nasty like some of last year's lot who made up lies to get other candidates fired and constantly called other candidates "vicious" and evil" for no apparent reason.
Originally Posted by Sidespin Nid:
“I have to say that I find it difficult to understand the hate directed towards her. Yes she can be quite aggressive but she hasn't ever bullied anyone or picked on others. Anyone she argues with tends to give as good as they get so it's not like they're scared of her.
I don't think she's that bad , she's certainly not genuinely nasty like some of last year's lot who made up lies to get other candidates fired and constantly called other candidates "vicious" and evil" for no apparent reason.”
“I have to say that I find it difficult to understand the hate directed towards her. Yes she can be quite aggressive but she hasn't ever bullied anyone or picked on others. Anyone she argues with tends to give as good as they get so it's not like they're scared of her.
I don't think she's that bad , she's certainly not genuinely nasty like some of last year's lot who made up lies to get other candidates fired and constantly called other candidates "vicious" and evil" for no apparent reason.”
I agree. I think she is quite dominant to work with and possibly you can feel a little like you are being forced down a road you don't want to go. But she doesn't come across as a horrible person imo. Just very ambitious and not such a good listener.
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I agree. I think she is quite dominant to work with and possibly you can feel a little like you are being forced down a road you don't want to go. But she doesn't come across as a horrible person imo. Just very ambitious and not such a good listener.”
“I agree. I think she is quite dominant to work with and possibly you can feel a little like you are being forced down a road you don't want to go. But she doesn't come across as a horrible person imo. Just very ambitious and not such a good listener.”
I think that about sums up what I think too.
Originally Posted by Book_Junkie:
“I'm sure she was allowed to call him, but didn't think to do so.”
“I'm sure she was allowed to call him, but didn't think to do so.”
I see no reason to be sure of that. It could be, but equally it may not be.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“This week was silly- SAS was going on about a problem that wasn't significant this week. She laid out things as they were in the boardroom and made the point that the blame either attached to her and Ben for pushing the horse or James for accepting the idea. She rightly made the point at the time that there was a safer option. The horse is a gamble and she realised that. From a SAS teaching point of view she's made the grade - she's missed the need to get a special offer on the horse but then so have Ben and James. James didn't seem to understand much at all whilst Ben thought he understood much more than he did. From SAS's point of view she's also learnt the Claire lesson and shut up in the boardroom this week. She's had a problem not tolerating fools gladly but she wisely didn't go for James this week. SAS also seems quite impressed with how determined and ballsy she is.
Her real problem is that SAS will remember her challenging Nick when he can't be seen to allow that and on the business calls two or three people have a better record and two or three people are better at getting a group to work for them.”
“This week was silly- SAS was going on about a problem that wasn't significant this week. She laid out things as they were in the boardroom and made the point that the blame either attached to her and Ben for pushing the horse or James for accepting the idea. She rightly made the point at the time that there was a safer option. The horse is a gamble and she realised that. From a SAS teaching point of view she's made the grade - she's missed the need to get a special offer on the horse but then so have Ben and James. James didn't seem to understand much at all whilst Ben thought he understood much more than he did. From SAS's point of view she's also learnt the Claire lesson and shut up in the boardroom this week. She's had a problem not tolerating fools gladly but she wisely didn't go for James this week. SAS also seems quite impressed with how determined and ballsy she is.
Her real problem is that SAS will remember her challenging Nick when he can't be seen to allow that and on the business calls two or three people have a better record and two or three people are better at getting a group to work for them.”
So true, I don't think she'll be hired for that reason of her being to quick with Nick...
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“From a SAS teaching point of view she's made the grade - she's missed the need to get a special offer on the horse but then so have Ben and James. James didn't seem to understand much at all whilst Ben thought he understood much more than he did.”
“From a SAS teaching point of view she's made the grade - she's missed the need to get a special offer on the horse but then so have Ben and James. James didn't seem to understand much at all whilst Ben thought he understood much more than he did.”
There was an interesting moment when Sir Alan said, with some justification, "You don't understand my point" (about having a reason to buy on the day), and she said she did, and was able to explain it back to him, leaving him somewhat mollified. That showed that even while she was defending herself she was listening and taking in what he said.
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“Her real problem is that SAS will remember her challenging Nick when he can't be seen to allow that”
“Her real problem is that SAS will remember her challenging Nick when he can't be seen to allow that”
I don't think it's too big a deal. If he does care about it, I like to think he'd go into it in more detail and find out what really happened on the task, and see that she had a point. Nick himself I think would be fair about it, at least in private. He was a bit aggressive in the boardroom about how only closing the sale matters, but that's more to put the candidates under pressure than because he cares.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“There was an interesting moment when Sir Alan said, with some justification, "You don't understand my point" (about having a reason to buy on the day), and she said she did, and was able to explain it back to him, leaving him somewhat mollified. That showed that even while she was defending herself she was listening and taking in what he said.
I don't think it's too big a deal. If he does care about it, I like to think he'd go into it in more detail and find out what really happened on the task, and see that she had a point. Nick himself I think would be fair about it, at least in private. He was a bit aggressive in the boardroom about how only closing the sale matters, but that's more to put the candidates under pressure than because he cares.”
“There was an interesting moment when Sir Alan said, with some justification, "You don't understand my point" (about having a reason to buy on the day), and she said she did, and was able to explain it back to him, leaving him somewhat mollified. That showed that even while she was defending herself she was listening and taking in what he said.
I don't think it's too big a deal. If he does care about it, I like to think he'd go into it in more detail and find out what really happened on the task, and see that she had a point. Nick himself I think would be fair about it, at least in private. He was a bit aggressive in the boardroom about how only closing the sale matters, but that's more to put the candidates under pressure than because he cares.”
After the 10 items task was aired, Nick was interviewed by James Max in his apprentice podcast. I believe that he still insisted that Debra was wrong.
Originally Posted by apprentice_fan:
“After the 10 items task was aired, Nick was interviewed by James Max in his apprentice podcast. I believe that he still insisted that Debra was wrong.”
“After the 10 items task was aired, Nick was interviewed by James Max in his apprentice podcast. I believe that he still insisted that Debra was wrong.”
Somebody should show him the actual clip some time.
Originally Posted by Book_Junkie:
“Really? I can kind of accept that people are nasty in the boardroom, but to be honest, I think Debra comes across as rude all the time - to customers, to fellow candidates and to SA. Yeah, I think the flack she gets is justified (based on what we see, which is of course edited).”
“Really? I can kind of accept that people are nasty in the boardroom, but to be honest, I think Debra comes across as rude all the time - to customers, to fellow candidates and to SA. Yeah, I think the flack she gets is justified (based on what we see, which is of course edited).”
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Irrespective of whatever "business acumen" she may purport to have, let's look at the acid test:
Would YOU employ her????????
In fact, I think I might make that a thread
I think the problem with Debra is her rudeness - she really is ignorant at times. I can't warm to her and I don't respect her - I accept that she did well this week but I can't take to her. I certainly would not like her to work for my company if I were Sir Alan - she would soon give the company a bad name. No customer likes rude arrogant sales people imo.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“She's blunt rather than rude, and surely this week showed she can sell?”
“She's blunt rather than rude, and surely this week showed she can sell?”
as I said I accept she did well this week but I still would not like her to work for me
and there is blunt and there is rude - she is rude
She's got a lovely man type jawline which gives her a slightly masculine quality. Nice legs too. Oh I need to calm down, she's so hot I'm burning up with desire. Nurse, a cold shower, fast!!!
I think the term for her is efficient.......like a machine. Totally robotic.
I can understand why the public haven't taken to her. However, that could be down to her having no camera magic and editing her to be the villain. Although, I have to say that usually I can see through the editing by this time. So that said, I really do think she's a robot.
I can understand why the public haven't taken to her. However, that could be down to her having no camera magic and editing her to be the villain. Although, I have to say that usually I can see through the editing by this time. So that said, I really do think she's a robot.
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