Are you a lawyer? Do you or have you studied contract law? What makes Lorraine different to the multiple number of other reality contestants in shows who have suffered from false stories etc.... Why haven't they taken the show to court and won compensation?

Are you a lawyer? Have you studied contract law? What makes Lorraine's case different from others before her and why do you think they have never been awarded damages?

Are you a qualified medical practioner who has examined her?


Disingenuous. The damage was obviously caused by a combination of factors.


Straw man alert!

H&S legislation and the actions of the H&S executive have nothing whatsoever to do with common law.

This shows how far you are from even the most basic understanding what you are talking about.

H&S law is nothing to do with contract law!

Come back when you have discovered and understood the difference and maybe we can actually make some progress.

Although I very much suspect that when you understand the difference you will already have understood what I'm talking about.

Quick, someone say something about ironing before they start again.

lol! best post on the thread...!

I so agree with you both! I wish people would stop hijacking threads for never-ending arguements. Discussion is one thing but they're not discussing, they're just banging their heads against brick walls, and they're getting very boring now.

^ Sorry I made a fatal mistake by suggesting that, may be just may be, the candidates are not that stupid and they sleep in their spare time rather than iron their clothes .

Other reasons may include:

1- Suffering permanent mental damage as a result of sleep deprivation and that is why they all behave idiotically.

2- The camera crew asks them to iron their shirts (even if they are already ironed) just to make them look idiots.

3- A candidate double did the ironing for the camera when they were sleeping/out in a task.

4- The production company/ a candidate put all the irons in a locked room and releases them in the morning.

5- For some reason, the candidates think that it is important to prove to SAS, N&M, and the nation that they don't go out without ironing their shirts.

6- This list can go forever .

Sorry again for going off topic .

I apologise everybody. I am getting very wound up. Especially as this heads down my actual career avenue. As it was off topic and fms asked us to stop, I have done so otherwise we will be here all night. But Tern, just so we are absolutely clear on this; I do not at all agree with you. However, I am tired of arguing.

I still think that someone's going around screwing up the shirts in the middle of the night.

Quite!

Bog off out of this ironing thread and start your own health and safety employment law thread.

I like the idea that someone is sabotaging the shirts...

I wonder if sometimes they're actually ironing at night but we're shown the footage as though it's morning?

Apologies, this is going a bit off track. But I remember signing a very very long and lengthy contract with Shine when I went on a relatively 'easy' show, Masterchef. Basically it said that they had the rights to everything you talk about and do on the show, plus a sizeable amount of any income you make as a result of the show, plus you were theirs to do with as they liked until you got knocked out. There were significant confidentiality clauses, plus a whole bunch of health and safety stuff, including a health assessment. Plus, you had no choice on how you were edited on the show. Put this way, we filmed easily about 28 hours for a half hour's show.

No rights or responsibilities at all. I can't remember if I kept a copy of this contract, let me have a nose around and if I find it, I will scan and pop it on.

If that's for Masterchef, I can only imagine what its like for the Apprentice!

Common law? Who didn't get married ?

Given that you probably now realise that as you don't understand the difference between contract law and H&S law, I think that you are very wise to 'tire'.

thanks nickymonger...

And I also agree 100% with all three of you! The tedium of the endless back and forth is coma-inducing and saps the life of every thread. Leaving no room for those of us who just want to have a normal natter about things and have no desire to pound everyone over the head with pompous and endlessly pedantic opinions.

One past candidate said that the "half hour to get ready" is a girlie half hour not a bloke's half hour. It takes as long as it takes. The production crew seem to like them looking smart and professional in the task briefing. So it may be that the boys do their ironing then because they know that whatever the girls are doing will take longer.

I should get all upset with whatever past contestant said that but it's too funny to get upset about!

That actually is the best reasoning so far.

My next thread was going to discuss Debra's eyelashes and which curler she might use.

Heaven only knows what type of hijacking that one could fall prey to.

I imagine there may be a prohibition against using eyelash curlers on the show, unless the contestant signed a Health and Safety waiver to confirm that any eye poking was there fault rather than the fault of the show

(Sorry)

Can you cite which piece of European employment law covers eyelash curlers?

Have you worked in the field of eyelash curler hazard assessment?

How do you know that Debra has not had her eyelashes permed?


(Double sorry)

yay!

Ironing!