Glad Margaret disagreed with sas, I think Howard's lovely. 
The Apprentice Series 5 - Episode 10 - BBC1 9pm
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Margaret...SA got it wrong, Lorraine should have gone! no...Kate should have for her sneaky ways, more like, yeah.
Originally Posted by sapphireblue1:
“Three going next week? Boooo - James won't be getting full attention on YF!”
“Three going next week? Boooo - James won't be getting full attention on YF!”
That's the one sad thing about him making the interviews - because much as I love him, don't see him winning, or getting passed the interviews
Originally Posted by jessca:
“There is no way on earth that Debra is under 30
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“There is no way on earth that Debra is under 30
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She has a "mature" demenour but her face looks so much older...bless her, it's not her fault I suppose, just her genes (and her permanent scowl
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surprised maragarets gone off lorraine so much as she was the one who i thought was behind her all the way
lol at yasmina how did u get my business acounts?
lol at yasmina how did u get my business acounts?
Aww, Howards popular 
Sir Alan always fires the wrong person on the Shopping Channel Task. Miriam should never have gone, Naomi was controversial (but personally I didn't think Simon should have gone), and now Howard.
Is there a new interviewer next week? I didn't recognise the one talking to Debra.
Sir Alan always fires the wrong person on the Shopping Channel Task. Miriam should never have gone, Naomi was controversial (but personally I didn't think Simon should have gone), and now Howard.
Is there a new interviewer next week? I didn't recognise the one talking to Debra.
I was shocked by tonight's result. I really thought Lorraine was going to end up being fired - I'm glad she wasn't fired though as she's my favourite candidate, along with Kate.
I could understand Sir Alan's reasons for firing Howard. He came across as a lovely guy though on You're Fired.
I could understand Sir Alan's reasons for firing Howard. He came across as a lovely guy though on You're Fired.
Such a bad feeling that Debra is going to make it to the finals, by the way Marg was talking tonight.
Gutted that the lovely Howard went, but pleased he got so far. Particularly when I think how he and (the lovely) James were rounded upon by the "ladz gang" early on in the process, with more than one contestant saying how crap they were and how they'd be out soon etc. And of course, they are (were) the last two men in. Feel that? Oh, the glorious, syrupy sweetness of justice enveloping itself around your very bones. Take that you pillocks!
Originally Posted by Kolakube:
“Aww, Howards popular
Sir Alan always fires the wrong person on the Shopping Channel Task. Miriam should never have gone, Naomi was controversial (but personally I didn't think Simon should have gone), and now Howard.
Is there a new interviewer next week? I didn't recognise the one talking to Debra.”
“Aww, Howards popular
Sir Alan always fires the wrong person on the Shopping Channel Task. Miriam should never have gone, Naomi was controversial (but personally I didn't think Simon should have gone), and now Howard.
Is there a new interviewer next week? I didn't recognise the one talking to Debra.”
Didn't recognise him, normally bald pitbull bloke, posh grey haired bloke, post grey haired with goatee bloke and Karen Brady (or at least last year). I fear James will go next week, but I am glad he made the interviews and was last man standing
And yes, the Miriam firing still hurts, between her and The Badger for best, most capable, contestants ever, that prat Paul staying over her was grrrrrrrr
Originally Posted by davey_wavey:
“I was shocked by tonight's result. I really thought Lorraine was going to end up being fired - I'm glad she wasn't fired though as she's my favourite candidate, along with Kate.
I could understand Sir Alan's reasons for firing Howard. He came across as a lovely guy though on You're Fired.”
“I was shocked by tonight's result. I really thought Lorraine was going to end up being fired - I'm glad she wasn't fired though as she's my favourite candidate, along with Kate.
I could understand Sir Alan's reasons for firing Howard. He came across as a lovely guy though on You're Fired.
”
I thought Lorraine would go and should have gone. Sir Alan is mistaken about her. She is still there whilst better candidates have gone. How many tasks has Lorraine, the risk taker, actually led?
For all you disbelievers , Debra is now 24, but if filming took place prior to about November/December last year, then she would have been only 23.
, Debra is now 24, but if filming took place prior to about November/December last year, then she would have been only 23.
Originally Posted by nelliek:
“For all you disbelievers , Debra is now 24, but if filming took place prior to about November/December last year, then she would have been only 23.”
“For all you disbelievers
, Debra is now 24, but if filming took place prior to about November/December last year, then she would have been only 23.”
Whilst not disbelieving, I am astonished. Debra is the oldest 23/24 year old I've ever seen.
Disagree with all those who thought Lorraine should have gone - her presentational skills aren't the best, but Kate's efforts selling the kitty cat and geetar were laughable.
I liked Howard - but he didn't stand out in any way; having said that I wouldn't have objected if Kate had been for the chop and Howard survived.
OK. Just watched the show. Nit Kate's best task, but I'm not sure how anybody can conclude that she should have gone over Lorraine. Why exactly. And I'm not talking looks or underdog; I'm talking business.
Lorraine - She almost got 1 product right and didn't push it through and got one product terribly wrong. Poor at presenting and got the pitch wrong. Caused conflic.
Kate - Got the products right, but pitched poorly. Was a tad b*tchy.
Not Kate's greatest task; but she got the products right. She chose, with good presenters, two of the high selling items. Therefore, her product selection was spot on.
I'm not going to give a big excuse for the selling. She didn't do well in the cat handicraft one. But seriously that had to be the worst item. I won't excuse her entirely as a good salesperson can sell anything. But se had an almost unsellable item even before presenting. And we did see a marked improvement in the ir guitar, I liked her presentatin there and clearly the local staff did too. Seemed to me that the poor sell was on the handicrafts which was suggested by SAS to not be a big seller and the worst selection choice.
Kates products didn't sell. Clearly they do sell as per SAS so choice cannot be given. It has to be the sales pitch which was not greater, especially the fryer.
As for the dispute; I can see whee Kate was coming from and I think an element was her feeling Lorraine was digging and the PM comment did come across childish from Lorraine. I'm not surprised though. Given that nothing was seemingly resolved from weeks ago and Phillip indicated Kate still to this day is upset about the "relationship card", But I have heard worse from every single candidate in that room to someone at some point, including Howard who just hasn't said it toher face. Kate's reaction was not unique.
At the end of the day; SAS's blog was about products not presenters. Kate, by his admission, picked what should have been the best sold items. Therfore, she was never going to go.
Debra proved herself again to be a great sales person. Always has been. But isn't she the one trick pony? What has Debra achieved apart from sales. I think and always have done that she is one of the best sellers. But she shows poor leadership skills and mucked up on the marketing task.
Kate, for me, proved she wasn't a one trick pony. If she was; tonight would have been about her presenting well. She chose the right products; a task she hasn't been heavily involved in other weeks and she took the riskier approach. She also went out of her comfort zone in that guitar and that one came across mych better.
Lorraine - She almost got 1 product right and didn't push it through and got one product terribly wrong. Poor at presenting and got the pitch wrong. Caused conflic.
Kate - Got the products right, but pitched poorly. Was a tad b*tchy.
Not Kate's greatest task; but she got the products right. She chose, with good presenters, two of the high selling items. Therefore, her product selection was spot on.
I'm not going to give a big excuse for the selling. She didn't do well in the cat handicraft one. But seriously that had to be the worst item. I won't excuse her entirely as a good salesperson can sell anything. But se had an almost unsellable item even before presenting. And we did see a marked improvement in the ir guitar, I liked her presentatin there and clearly the local staff did too. Seemed to me that the poor sell was on the handicrafts which was suggested by SAS to not be a big seller and the worst selection choice.
Kates products didn't sell. Clearly they do sell as per SAS so choice cannot be given. It has to be the sales pitch which was not greater, especially the fryer.
As for the dispute; I can see whee Kate was coming from and I think an element was her feeling Lorraine was digging and the PM comment did come across childish from Lorraine. I'm not surprised though. Given that nothing was seemingly resolved from weeks ago and Phillip indicated Kate still to this day is upset about the "relationship card", But I have heard worse from every single candidate in that room to someone at some point, including Howard who just hasn't said it toher face. Kate's reaction was not unique.
At the end of the day; SAS's blog was about products not presenters. Kate, by his admission, picked what should have been the best sold items. Therfore, she was never going to go.
Debra proved herself again to be a great sales person. Always has been. But isn't she the one trick pony? What has Debra achieved apart from sales. I think and always have done that she is one of the best sellers. But she shows poor leadership skills and mucked up on the marketing task.
Kate, for me, proved she wasn't a one trick pony. If she was; tonight would have been about her presenting well. She chose the right products; a task she hasn't been heavily involved in other weeks and she took the riskier approach. She also went out of her comfort zone in that guitar and that one came across mych better.
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“OK. Just watched the show. Nit Kate's best task, but I'm not sure how anybody can conclude that she should have gone over Lorraine. Why exactly. And I'm not talking looks or underdog; I'm talking business.
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“OK. Just watched the show. Nit Kate's best task, but I'm not sure how anybody can conclude that she should have gone over Lorraine. Why exactly. And I'm not talking looks or underdog; I'm talking business.
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Has anybody suggested that Kate should go because of her looks? I've not seen any post saying that!
I do think SA made the wrong decision tonight. Lorraine should have gone. She must be one of those bloody sequined cats, she's got so many lives! I do think Kate is overhyped though.
Nice to see the panel on YF all unanimous in saying that SA got it wrong. Margaret was on the panel and she also said that Lorraine should have gone. The audience were very largely in support of Howard too.
Originally Posted by Book_Junkie:
“Has anybody suggested that Kate should go because of her looks? I've not seen any post saying that!
I do think SA made the wrong decision tonight. Lorraine should have gone. She must be one of those bloody sequined cats, she's got so many lives! I do think Kate is overhyped though.
Nice to see the panel on YF all unanimous in saying that SA got it wrong. Margaret was on the panel and she also said that Lorraine should have gone. The audience were very largely in support of Howard too.”
“Has anybody suggested that Kate should go because of her looks? I've not seen any post saying that!
I do think SA made the wrong decision tonight. Lorraine should have gone. She must be one of those bloody sequined cats, she's got so many lives! I do think Kate is overhyped though.
Nice to see the panel on YF all unanimous in saying that SA got it wrong. Margaret was on the panel and she also said that Lorraine should have gone. The audience were very largely in support of Howard too.”
There are a lot of people who think she survives due to looks. I agree she isn't the strongest left imo. Yasmina is. I prefer Kate, but think Yasmina is the stronger candidate overall. I think there is an element of Kate not liking Lorraine and anger at her "nine lives", having seen her see off Phil. I don't think Kate has forgiven the relationship card and has just been trying to tolerate her to get to the final. I think Lorraine knows what buttons to push to get a rise out of people.
<quote>K. Just watched the show. Nit Kate's best task, but I'm not sure how anybody can conclude that she should have gone over Lorraine. Why exactly. And I'm not talking looks or underdog; I'm talking business.
Lorraine - She almost got 1 product right and didn't push it through and got one product terribly wrong. Poor at presenting and got the pitch wrong. Caused conflic.
Kate - Got the products right, but pitched poorly. Was a tad b*tchy.<quote>
sorry kate got the products right? are u referring to that hideous jacket it was the most awful thing ive ever seen!
Lorraine - She almost got 1 product right and didn't push it through and got one product terribly wrong. Poor at presenting and got the pitch wrong. Caused conflic.
Kate - Got the products right, but pitched poorly. Was a tad b*tchy.<quote>
sorry kate got the products right? are u referring to that hideous jacket it was the most awful thing ive ever seen!
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
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Kates products didn't sell. Clearly they do sell as per SAS so choice cannot be given. It has to be the sales pitch which was not greater, especially the fryer.
SAS's blog was about products not presenters. Kate, by his admission, picked what should have been the best sold items. Therfore, she was never going to go.
Kate, for me, proved she wasn't a one trick pony. If she was; tonight would have been about her presenting well. She chose the right products; a task she hasn't been heavily involved in other weeks and she took the riskier approach. She also went out of her comfort zone in that guitar and that one came across mych better.”
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Kates products didn't sell. Clearly they do sell as per SAS so choice cannot be given. It has to be the sales pitch which was not greater, especially the fryer.
SAS's blog was about products not presenters. Kate, by his admission, picked what should have been the best sold items. Therfore, she was never going to go.
Kate, for me, proved she wasn't a one trick pony. If she was; tonight would have been about her presenting well. She chose the right products; a task she hasn't been heavily involved in other weeks and she took the riskier approach. She also went out of her comfort zone in that guitar and that one came across mych better.”
Good products don't exist outside the circumstances of their sale. I am surprised that the tat jacket is a best seller but, if it is, it won't be sold in the pro pitches without a decent model. Fashion sells to women (especially in circumstances where they cannot try before they buy) because they believe an item will make them look good - in other words, because it looks good on Kate Moss, they are tricked into thinking it'll look good on them. Ergo there was no chance of Lorraine, who to put it kindly, is no model shifting that jacket without the shows model being supplied to help them. If Kate had been allowed to sell the item, however poor her pitch, it would have sold better; if she knew when she picked the item that Lorraine would have to model it then it was a bad product choice.
Similarly, the fryer is an item which would never be marketed by the channel solely in a tea time slot, for the obvious reason that the target market is otherwise engaged. A mid pm or am slot would shift far more units. If the teams were told when their slot was then this was a bad choice.
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