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No one could sell that disgusting jacket!
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Sidespin Nid
27-05-2009
Originally Posted by Helenaka:
“The thing with the dinosaur was that it was a new product and had a certain novelty factor, which comes with new products.

I can't remember the price of it? But it would have been a better bet than the jacket or the chip fryer.”



Weren't the jacket and the chip fryer the best selling items for the channel according to the channel itself? If so , how on earth could a £250 dinosaur that just moves its head , blinks its eyes and wags its tail be better in any way?
JTW
27-05-2009
Originally Posted by Helenaka:
“Lol. I agree, that jacket was hideous and you know that those leaves are soon going to rip, they looked really badly made.

To me, Kate was the weak link, not Lorraine. Out of the 3 of them her sales were the lowest, after all.”

Well considering that Lorraine chose crappy cats that you stick pins in and a stupid battery operated guitar for Kate to sell, could you have sold those items any better than Kate could?

On the contrary, Kate did well with the items she was given to sell. Lorraine's choices should also be under the firing line here.
Beckytigh1990
27-05-2009
Originally Posted by Helenaka:
“The thing with the dinosaur was that it was a new product and had a certain novelty factor, which comes with new products.

I can't remember the price of it? But it would have been a better bet than the jacket or the chip fryer.”

It was over £200
Sid_1979
27-05-2009
Originally Posted by JTW:
“Well considering that Lorraine chose crappy cats that you stick pins in and a stupid battery operated guitar for Kate to sell, could you have sold those items any better than Kate could?

On the contrary, Kate did well with the items she was given to sell. Lorraine's choices should also be under the firing line here.”

No Lorraine didn't select that item. Her suggestion, the dinosaur, had been fobbed off by Howard so they settled on the craft set because Howard said it was an easy product for Kate to demonstrate.
mr.bojangles
27-05-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“No Lorraine didn't select that item. Her suggestion, the dinosaur, had been fobbed off by Howard so they settled on the craft set because Howard said it was an easy product for Kate to demonstrate.”

I think Howard meant (from my understanding of YF) that they looked at a number of craft products, and that cat thing was the only one Kate could demonstrate easily of those products. I don't think his objection to the dinosaur had to do with ease of demonstration.
The Bloater
28-05-2009
Don't lets get side tracked. Those jackets were bleetin' awful, it's got to be said.
Although Sral applauded their inclusion, even he described them, in the BR, as appealing to the Malaga market.
I think the jackets and choice of Phil as B/F have outed Kate's WAG leanings.
Sid_1979
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“I think Howard meant (from my understanding of YF) that they looked at a number of craft products, and that cat thing was the only one Kate could demonstrate easily of those products. I don't think his objection to the dinosaur had to do with ease of demonstration.”

I agree.

I was pointing out to JTW that ultimately it wasn't Lorraine's decision to lumber Kate with that god awful craft set. It was a decision reached by Howard who was looking for the easiest item to explain to viewers.
mr.bojangles
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I agree.

I was pointing out to JTW that ultimately it wasn't Lorraine's decision to lumber Kate with that god awful craft set. It was a decision reached by Howard who was looking for the easiest item to explain to viewers.”

You'd think they would have learned from the decoupage set! That cat was unbelievably even worse.

We didn't even get to see Scamp all dolled-up
Sid_1979
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“You'd think they would have learned from the decoupage set! That cat was unbelievably even worse.

We didn't even get to see Scamp all dolled-up”

lol I know!

It was a very outdated idea, and the market was very niche.

I'm so curious to know how that dinosaur would have gone down.
Davemba
28-05-2009
Howard on YF seemed to suggest that they were limited to some pretty awful crafts tat, but presumably that would have applie dto both teams.

Those jackets only made sense in Southend on a figure like Kate's. Lorraine has consistently looked like a sack of spanners, so being no real fan of Kate's, i would add that K was responsible for picking it and not thinking about the selling side.
Vicar2win
28-05-2009
I wouldn't pay a fiver for that jacket. Honestly.
It was so expensive as well. The only person I thought might wear it is wacko Jacko.
mr.bojangles
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“lol I know!

It was a very outdated idea, and the market was very niche.

I'm so curious to know how that dinosaur would have gone down.”

The dinosaur was cute when they were stroking him, but then I remembered I thought tamagotchis were cute at first, and soon mine met an angry end falling from a great height. These things wear off. Like pets. (If the RSPCA are watching, I'd like to add I haven't hurled any cats out of the window. Yet).

I just can't imagine those dinosaurs, at that price, selling as an impulse but then I don't think I'm the target audience. Far too unsentimental (!) and, um, not called Mavis.
rosieeee
28-05-2009
that jacket was horrendous - I can't believe it was a best seller and worse so expensive! I would never have picked that.
Sid_1979
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“The dinosaur was cute when they were stroking him, but then I remembered I thought tamagotchis were cute at first, and soon mine met an angry end falling from a great height. These things wear off. Like pets. (If the RSPCA are watching, I'd like to add I haven't hurled any cats out of the window. Yet).

I just can't imagine those dinosaurs, at that price, selling as an impulse but then I don't think I'm the target audience. Far too unsentimental (!) and, um, not called Mavis.”

There's definitely no longevity in that dinosaur. It's a fad. But they only needed to lure in a couple of customers and they'd have been laughing!

God I had one of those tamagotchis and lost patience with it VERY quickly. I actually got a kick out of purposefully NOT feeding the wretched thing after a while!
JTW
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“The dinosaur was cute when they were stroking him, but then I remembered I thought tamagotchis were cute at first, and soon mine met an angry end falling from a great height. These things wear off. Like pets. (If the RSPCA are watching, I'd like to add I haven't hurled any cats out of the window. Yet).

I just can't imagine those dinosaurs, at that price, selling as an impulse but then I don't think I'm the target audience. Far too unsentimental (!) and, um, not called Mavis.”

First of all thank you both for clearing up the earlier confusion (you and Sid)

I loved the dinosaur, but instantly thought that it was one of those items that you would have to physically handle to sell well. I.e. one of those instore promotion type things where you gather an audience around you and get them all to touch it etc.

I really thought that the items that they chose were poor, but the pitch was far worse IMO. The only highlight was Kate doing that air guitar thing. All in all, the items were poor, the controlling part of it was poor. It was piss poor from start to end, but for me, Kate doing the pitch alone and with little controlling back up, then she came out of it better than the other two which was obviously easier to do than one person going it alone.
UserXYZ
28-05-2009
The dinosaur was crap. Howard made an excellent point when he said why spend that much on a crappy dinosaur when you could buy a Wii with several games instead?
Bob22A
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I'm saying, they might only have sold a couple, and given they only lost by £200, it would have been enough.”


They could easily have won. They did the best demonstrations & Presentations the trouble is they totally forgot about the selling side of it and virtualy never mentioned the selling price or order code or even pushed it. If they had done that they would have walked it. They easilly had the best products
MrsSpoon
28-05-2009
They were vile.
I noticed that they were described as leather but only the actual leaves were leather, the rest was polyester.

But I did agree with Howard that the price of that dinosaur was ridiculous and I too would rather have Nintendo Wii and several games instead for the same price.
Bob22A
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by Beckytigh1990:
“It was over £200”

£39 actually
Puffle
28-05-2009
I personally think Howard and Lorraine sold the deep fat fryer worse than the jackets. For any one watching their weight the fryer is a great idea, perhaps adding that into their pitch might have help to sell a couple more - they also didn't talk about it's versatility enough (although to be fair to Lorraine she was about to when Howard cut her off) Nor did the push the price, product code or telephone number enough. Had they done those things I'm sure they'd have sold a few more and therefore won the task.
~V~
28-05-2009
I'm not convinced that Kate tried too hard with the air guitar either.

They all have time the evening before to get used to the product. It appears to me she used that time completely covering the head of her craft thing (they were all white when in the packet I remember) and none perfecting some guitar technique. I think she missed the point that it could actually play along with a tune and thought that just random waving of her arm in strange positions would suffice. I really think she cocked that up and also got her market wrong.
puffin1962
28-05-2009
I don't think Kate tried too hard this week - she assumed that she was better than the other two and would not be in the firing line. I think her ego got in the way this week - the same as when they were in Machester/Liverpool and Ben, Phillip and Kate just assumed they were safe and did little to sell....

Part of me wonders whether Kate chose the jacket as she knew Lorraine would look hideous in it She also chose 1 *sensible* product to cover her own back

I think that AS got it wrong this week - all the talk about "tough times" in the boardroom - yet AS was praising the products that cost 100s of £££s - I don't think people are spending that type of money on impulse purchases at the moment. I think both teams missed a trick in fiding a killer product for under £100
apaul
28-05-2009
I also thought Kate deliberately tried to drop Lorraine in it. £140 is also far more than you need to pay for a fat fryer.
Ignazio
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“There's definitely no longevity in that dinosaur. It's a fad. But they only needed to lure in a couple of customers and they'd have been laughing!

God I had one of those tamagotchis and lost patience with it VERY quickly. I actually got a kick out of purposefully NOT feeding the wretched thing after a while! ”

Oh Sid - so you do have a cruel streak after all.
Bob22A
28-05-2009
Originally Posted by puffin1962:
“I don't think Kate tried too hard this week - she assumed that she was better than the other two and would not be in the firing line. I think her ego got in the way this week - the same as when they were in Machester/Liverpool and Ben, Phillip and Kate just assumed they were safe and did little to sell....

Part of me wonders whether Kate chose the jacket as she knew Lorraine would look hideous in it She also chose 1 *sensible* product to cover her own back

I think that AS got it wrong this week - all the talk about "tough times" in the boardroom - yet AS was praising the products that cost 100s of £££s - I don't think people are spending that type of money on impulse purchases at the moment. I think both teams missed a trick in fiding a killer product for under £100”


Nothing wrong with the price rnge of the price of the product.

The bulk of the products QVC sell will be in that sort of price range. In fact they stated that that product was one of their best sellers
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