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I think it was both. Lorraine seems to think Kate gets a lot of favours because of her beauty and has brought it up twice now. I'd hesitate to call her a bit bitter, but she has a distorted sense of what Kate's good looks will get her, and she's a tad snide and unpleasant about it.
Having said that Kate shouldn't have acted like such a piss-pants baby about it. I've found her really warm and appealing when she hangs around Howard, but this week she just seemed abit put-out that somebody was trying to oust her as his chief fag-hag. As I've said on another post, I think Lorraine is quite scheming and manipulative. She often has an idea at the beginning, like others have when they are all brainstorming. And then goes with the majority vote until SA brings up why they didn't go for such and such an idea.....and that's where Lorraine has piped up that she had that idea to begin with and nobody went along with it. Hence the whole Cassandra image and hype that she's some kind of genius. When in fact, all she's done is manage to manipulate something in the past to her advantage. Unfortunately for her, even Margaret has caught on to her gameplan. I also think the whole 'looks' thing with Kate is to garner a sympathy vote or 'poor me, nobody every takes notice'. It's obviously worked in her favour given that Howard got the chop over her, due to the hype that's been built up about her.
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Kate didn't (not) sell the jackets that was Lorraine and Howard. She was stuck selling the rubbish Lorraine ahd picked and Howard had agreed to.
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I thought her reaction to Lorraine complimenting Howard was a bit off....
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No, Lorraine wanted to go with the dinosaur. Howard refused and settled on the craft set (which Lorraine was also keen on) because it would have been easier for Kate to demonstrate - that's what he said on You're Fired.
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I thought Kate did well selling those two items. I mean who in their right mind would want to buy a cat to stick pins in (unless it's some kind of cult group) and that guitar....what the heck kind of choice was that?
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Absolutely. It's clear that Howard was the best out of the three. I thought Howard made the right decision in terms of pairing himself up with Lorraine though - she needed someone with her that could reign her in and he was the right man for the job. Kate was competent enough.
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I thought her reaction to Lorraine complimenting Howard was a bit off....
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Don't you think it's pretty sad and pathetic if you need somebody to reign you in? FGS she's on The Apprentice....therefore she shouldn't need a bodyguard.
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I think Kate is used to people complimenting her.
I don't think Kate has been rude to anyone from what I've seen throughout the show......but on the contrary, I've seen Lorraine attack her behind her back and towards her on a few occasions. Lorraine clearly is the one with the self-confidence issues, not Kate. So I hardly think Kate should be villified just because she has confidence in herself and has indeed been complimented...not just for looks but her overall persona.
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What I meant was that Lorraine was quite shaky on her stint as a solo presenter but I actually think she did a very good job with Howard by her side. Maybe it's just me but I don't see how they could have done any better.
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Yeh what was all that about?
Kate is looking for a TV career - look how she reacted with the air guitar. If she goes to the BBC, they will send Numpty Kerplunky's make-up artist round with a trowel. She sold nothing on the Manchester task. |
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On the contrary, it could've been a helluva lot worse had Lorraine been a solo presenter.
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Its not only unjustified it misses the point the show repeatedly was making. The task was about selecting the right things to sell. SAS pointed out umpteen (at least 3) times that the things Kate chose were the right ones or even better the "top" choices.
I agree she got the product choice right, but that's all. I don't agree that she did a good job of directing. Howard and Lorraine were the selling chips not the chip-maker, and not mentioning the phone or product number enough. I think that was a very hard thing for H&L to judge right, and exactly the kind of thing the control should notice and point out to them. I think if she had done a better job as controller they'd have sold more chip-makers. |
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Her not being the centre of attention?
Kate is looking for a TV career - look how she reacted with the air guitar. If she goes to the BBC, they will send Numpty Kerplunky's make-up artist round with a trowel. She sold nothing on the Manchester task. ![]() As for the rest of your post, I don't understand it...i.e. 'Lorraine's fulsome apology' etc. What apology and when? |
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see how they could have done any better.
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After she said howard had come across really well on TV and Kate had a "look at me" hissy fit and said it was detrimental to the team etc., Lorraine started on some "no offence" nonsense about how it went without saying that Kate was great on TV etc. to balance things out in an "All must have prizes" way.
No TV career? She is already sizing up somewhere in London with Phil. |
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Is that a bad thing? No seriously?
I don't think Kate has been rude to anyone from what I've seen throughout the show......but on the contrary, I've seen Lorraine attack her behind her back and towards her on a few occasions. Lorraine clearly is the one with the self-confidence issues, not Kate. So I hardly think Kate should be villified just because she has confidence in herself and has indeed been complimented...not just for looks but her overall persona. ![]() And, alongside Philip, completely undermining Lorraine when she was PM a few weeks back. Lorraine, on the other hand, is usually very direct. She doesn't speak behind people's backs, but to their faces and it gets her into trouble sometimes. |
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For me Kate was one of my early favourites, but since then although she's made sensible comments she's not really stood out. I now rate her no higher than the others.
I agree she got the product choice right, but that's all. I don't agree that she did a good job of directing. Howard and Lorraine were the selling chips not the chip-maker, and not mentioning the phone or product number enough. I think that was a very hard thing for H&L to judge right, and exactly the kind of thing the control should notice and point out to them. I think if she had done a better job as controller they'd have sold more chip-makers. |
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Is that a bad thing? No seriously?
I don't think Kate has been rude to anyone from what I've seen throughout the show......but on the contrary, I've seen Lorraine attack her behind her back and towards her on a few occasions. Lorraine clearly is the one with the self-confidence issues, not Kate. So I hardly think Kate should be villified just because she has confidence in herself and has indeed been complimented...not just for looks but her overall persona. ![]()
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It depends on whether their predicted performance for the slot was based on the products they had, or on the products the channel would have put in the slot. I would expect the former, but I don't know. Obviously that stuff does sell else it wouldn't be in stock.
So I suppose in that respect they were too 'presenter-ish' and weren't selling the product enough. Howard and Lorraine gorging themselves on chips for example, or both of them laughing over Lorraine fighting off potential suitors. ![]() They probably got too carried away in the role and Kate should have got them back on track. Debra was, surprisingly, brilliant at selling the product, responding to Yasmina and James in the booth, and also being quite personable on screen - which was a revelation. |
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Kate's had her moments but she's been subtle about it. Like last week, colluding with Howard that if they failed the task they had a reason to place the blame on Lorraine.
And, alongside Philip, completely undermining Lorraine when she was PM a few weeks back. Lorraine, on the other hand, is usually very direct. She doesn't speak behind people's backs, but to their faces and it gets her into trouble sometimes. ![]() I'm sorry to disagree, but it's a case of Lorraine's underlying issues here with looks etc, that I seen way off at the start and long before Phil and Kate got together. I guess things have simmered in the background ever since and are now coming to a friction point between them. But IMO, it was Lorraine who started making it personal and not business with her snidey comments about Kate before she ever got with Phil. And the fact that Phil and her never hit it off and he has since been fired, is a one-up to Lorraine. However, it hardly disguises her clear wanting to take a pop at Kate when she can. I.e. like the glaring look comment, and the bigging up of Howard etc. She's very very sly IMO. But it's obvious that her poor me personna has got some peeps hoodwinked, like it did Margaret until tonight. |
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For me Kate was one of my early favourites, but since then although she's made sensible comments she's not really stood out. I now rate her no higher than the others.
I agree she got the product choice right, but that's all. I don't agree that she did a good job of directing. Howard and Lorraine were the selling chips not the chip-maker, and not mentioning the phone or product number enough. I think that was a very hard thing for H&L to judge right, and exactly the kind of thing the control should notice and point out to them. I think if she had done a better job as controller they'd have sold more chip-makers.
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Don't you mean Ben?
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Kate's had her moments but she's been subtle about it. Like last week, colluding with Howard that if they failed the task they had a reason to place the blame on Lorraine.
And, alongside Philip, completely undermining Lorraine when she was PM a few weeks back. Lorraine, on the other hand, is usually very direct. She doesn't speak behind people's backs, but to their faces and it gets her into trouble sometimes. Meanwhile Lorraine called Phillip a dick-head in a to-camera interview, behind his back. After pretty much every phone-call in her first PM job she was bitching about the other subteam to Yasmina. She's occasionally SUPER passive-aggressive. Neither of them have their hands clean. Nobody left does. |
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No not at all but Lorraine was correct in saying that Howard was the best in the practise session. It`s good to be able to give compliments as well as accepting them
![]() What does that say about Lorraine?
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