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Old 28-05-2009, 10:09
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Kate chose the better products and was better in the directors box. Her prsenting was a bit naff but the products she was selling were naff.
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Old 28-05-2009, 10:16
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I thought she was really competent tonight - she zeroed in on the two best products.
I'll agree that the low fat chip fryer was a very good product choice ... but those terrible gold and silver leather jackets? Are you joking?
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Old 28-05-2009, 10:56
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I'll agree that the low fat chip fryer was a very good product choice ... but those terrible gold and silver leather jackets? Are you joking?
Didn`t SAS say they were one of the top selling items <normally>
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Old 28-05-2009, 10:57
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I thought she was really competent tonight - she zeroed in on the two best products, and her tv persona can't really be held against her.

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I find it strange that she zeroed in on the best two products just like that. Out of that whole warehouse she picked the top selling product (the fryer). They travelled up to Peterborough, perhaps on the journey they researched the Internet on a Blackberry for top selling products on shopping channels? I'm not saying it's wrong to do that, it shows initiative. But if this happened it wasn't shown so it's huge bias towards Kate who comes out as shining star. Personally I don't think much of her chances, but as I say personally. Everyone seems to be dismissing James and Lorraine, I don't think James will be the Apprentice (though he is my favourite) but I wouldn't mind placing a bet on Lorraine.
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Old 28-05-2009, 11:04
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I find it strange that she zeroed in on the best two products just like that. Out of that whole warehouse she picked the top selling product (the fryer). They travelled up to Peterborough, perhaps on the journey they researched the Internet on a Blackberry for top selling products on shopping channels? I'm not saying it's wrong to do that, it shows initiative. But if this happened it wasn't shown so it's huge bias towards Kate who comes out as shining star. Personally I don't think much of her chances, but as I say personally. Everyone seems to be dismissing James and Lorraine, I don't think James will be the Apprentice (though he is my favourite) but I wouldn't mind placing a bet on Lorraine.
Lorraine also zeroed in on a good product, but as usual was ignored.
Kate, as Sir Alan said, thinks she's a lot better than she is and she can't take criticism.
There's something about her that I just don't trust. A bit of a silent assassin.
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Old 28-05-2009, 11:25
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lorraine also wanted to get the baby home birth thingy last week but was talked out of it, good thing too in the end....

she never tried too hard to push the dinosaur and she needs to go.
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Old 28-05-2009, 11:29
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Kate chose the better products and was better in the directors box. Her prsenting was a bit naff but the products she was selling were naff.
She was hopeless in the director's box. She was not directing which is why the audience were never prompted with the price and contact details for the fryer.

People say that they (price, etc) are on the screen but there's a reason why the professionals keep that information in the 'patter'.

Can't blame her for the cat but she was comedly gold on the air guitar - unfortunately it was a selling task rather than a comedy tryout.

Siralun now seems to have her card well and truly marked. I really thought at one point that she was for the chop yesterday.

Like other candidates there are places where she would shine in a corporation but I can't see her as AS's apprentice now.
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Old 28-05-2009, 11:31
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Lorraine also zeroed in on a good product, but as usual was ignored.
Kate, as Sir Alan said, thinks she's a lot better than she is and she can't take criticism.
There's something about her that I just don't trust. A bit of a silent assassin.
How do we know it was a good product!! They had two expensive products and couldn't sell them. I doubt that going for three expensive products and 1 cheap product would have been a good strategy.

Each one of the finalists has things going for and against them. I don't know who will win.
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Old 28-05-2009, 12:10
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Kate was quite happy to take the piss when Lorraine was wearing the jacket though. She comes across as being incredibly insecure, hence the 27 layers of make-up.

My opinion of her slumped after she did sod all work on that Margate task a few weeks back, and got away with it.

I also don't know why everyone goes on and on about her looks. She the best of a bad bunch IMO. In any other context she'd hardly be noticed. And again, she wears such an incredible amount of make-up it's difficult to know what she really looks like. In all honesty, I think she'd be better suited to working in the cosmetics section of House of Fraser.
How true. I can't fathom all the hype surrounding her. I have to give it to her though - she's superb at keeping a low profile. Unlike Yasmina or Debra she never volunteers for the task of PM and unlike Lorraine, she shows no real initiative or insight. Bit nondescript really.

Completely agree though, she would make a marvelous sales girl in a cosmetics department.

(I noticed she was trying to make Lorraine the scapegoat again ......hmmmm)
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Old 28-05-2009, 13:24
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For once I agree with Sir alan

She is not as good as she thinks she is

In many areas she is limited, doesnt think on her feet and is not aware of external influences around her, only what she is doing at that given moment.

She loves herself too much and always thinks she is right.

Her and Philip deserve each other, what a gruesome twosome
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Old 28-05-2009, 13:38
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Each one of the finalists has things going for and against them. I don't know who will win.
Exactly. I think people are underestimating certain candidates i.e. Lorraine and this is seriously misguided!
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Old 28-05-2009, 14:06
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Exactly. I think people are underestimating certain candidates i.e. Lorraine and this is seriously misguided!
I believe this comes from their personal preferences. For me, she is not the kind of person I can easily get along with.
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Old 28-05-2009, 14:20
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Kate - one of the most overrated Apprentice contestants I have seen. Debra and Yasmina are way better.
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Old 28-05-2009, 14:21
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How true. I can't fathom all the hype surrounding her. I have to give it to her though - she's superb at keeping a low profile. Unlike Yasmina or Debra she never volunteers for the task of PM and unlike Lorraine, she shows no real initiative or insight. Bit nondescript really.

Completely agree though, she would make a marvelous sales girl in a cosmetics department.

(I noticed she was trying to make Lorraine the scapegoat again ......hmmmm)
Margate - didn't she do the pitching and worked with Yasmina on the posters. For someone who did no work, she did a good pitch and Yasmina strangely stayed quiet, when she normally wouldn't stand for that :s Also every single candidate that has left has said she works hard. People may not like her or rate her; but she is hardly someone who does no work.

As for insight; it was her that suggested the product strategy last week and this week. She has got things spot on on several weeks....ie. the budget comment on the cleaning task, the keep it simple on the fitness task. She isn't as strong as Lorraine on that salient point granted. but Lorraine doesn't always get it right and keeps on banging on about instinct. Yet every week she doesn't push something ad then makes out afterwards that they lost for that reason. Even Margaret got annoyed about that yesterday. It got mentioned on the "you're fired" programme. But Kate is up there on that score regarding who is left.

The audience and all the panelists thought Lorraine should have gone, the newspapers think Lorraine should have gone, Howard thinks Lorraine should have gone.....hardly Kate making her a scapegoat. Out of the three, on this particular task, she was the weakest imo and all the panelists opinions, as well as Margaret who observed. Howard didn't get fired for being the weakest. He got fired as SAS made a point he didn't have an attribute he wanted.
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Old 28-05-2009, 15:31
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The audience and all the panelists thought Lorraine should have gone, the newspapers think Lorraine should have gone, Howard thinks Lorraine should have gone.
How fortunate for Lorraine that it's AS rather than you, the YF panel, the YF audience, Howard or the Newspapers who actually makes the decision.
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Old 28-05-2009, 15:48
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How fortunate for Lorraine that it's AS rather than you, the YF panel, the YF audience, Howard or the Newspapers who actually makes the decision.
Yes spot on. I didn't get all the Howard love on the panel and in the studio audience. Yes lovely guy but IMO an easy choice to to over the legend that is Lorraine.
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Old 28-05-2009, 15:56
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How fortunate for Lorraine that it's AS rather than you, the YF panel, the YF audience, Howard or the Newspapers who actually makes the decision.
Exactly, SA sets the criteria. It isn't a popularity contest.
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Old 28-05-2009, 16:36
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Yes spot on. I didn't get all the Howard love on the panel and in the studio audience.
He'd obviously be an asset to just about any organisation in a large variety of posts.

I've been banging on for almost the whole series about how he flies too low under the radar for Sugar's liking.

As he said himself, he maintains a professional demeanour and doesn't get into shouting matches and is effectively penalised for that as it make him look as if he lacks passion.
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Old 28-05-2009, 17:27
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Exactly, SA sets the criteria. It isn't a popularity contest.
You're right in saying that it is not a popularity contest. But the panel yesterday included Margaret who saw both Howard and Lorraine in action and she said that SAS should have fired Lorraine instead. I don't think that her opinion can be disregarded at this late stage of the competition.
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Old 28-05-2009, 17:36
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You're right in saying that it is not a popularity contest. But the panel yesterday included Margaret who saw both Howard and Lorraine in action and she said that SAS should have fired Lorraine instead. I don't think that her opinion can be disregarded at this late stage of the competition.
I have some news for you.

Her opinion has already been disregarded.

That's why Howard was on YF and not Lorraine.
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Old 28-05-2009, 17:56
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I have some news for you.

Her opinion has already been disregarded.

That's why Howard was on YF and not Lorraine.
If Margaret's opinion is disregarded then it is bad news for Lorraine as well. Margaret was her biggest advocate in the boadroom.
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Old 28-05-2009, 18:11
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Margate - didn't she do the pitching and worked with Yasmina on the posters. For someone who did no work, she did a good pitch and Yasmina strangely stayed quiet, when she normally wouldn't stand for that :s Also every single candidate that has left has said she works hard. People may not like her or rate her; but she is hardly someone who does no work.
She did a good pitch in Margate, but that was about it. Kate should be good at pitching, seeing as she does it in her normal job - it's nothing that takes her out of her comfort zone (conversely she should therefore have given a much better pitch in the catering task). I must admit, I thought that she rested on her laurels in the Margate task - based on what we saw, which is of course limited.

As for insight; it was her that suggested the product strategy last week and this week. She has got things spot on on several weeks....ie. the budget comment on the cleaning task, the keep it simple on the fitness task. She isn't as strong as Lorraine on that salient point granted. but Lorraine doesn't always get it right and keeps on banging on about instinct. Yet every week she doesn't push something ad then makes out afterwards that they lost for that reason. Even Margaret got annoyed about that yesterday. It got mentioned on the "you're fired" programme. But Kate is up there on that score regarding who is left.
James also made the point (before Kate I believe) about keeping it simple on the fitness task. She was right about the budget on the first task, but she wasn't the only one to raise that point. I think Kate is good, but very over-rated. Her reaction to Lorraine's praise of Howard was very telling; she can't handle criticism - hence all the sulky looks when SA criticises her. I find Lorraine extremely annoying, but I do think that Kate was unnecessarily angry there.

The audience and all the panelists thought Lorraine should have gone, the newspapers think Lorraine should have gone, Howard thinks Lorraine should have gone.....hardly Kate making her a scapegoat. Out of the three, on this particular task, she was the weakest imo and all the panelists opinions, as well as Margaret who observed. Howard didn't get fired for being the weakest. He got fired as SAS made a point he didn't have an attribute he wanted.
I do agree that Howard should have stayed, and Lorraine should have gone, and if it was my company, that's what would have happened. But it's SA's company and I've long since realised that there's not point trying to fathom out his logic. Out of the three, Howard was the last one who I thought should get fired. I think Kate's cards are marked, I really do. SA is right about one thing - she is not as good as she thinks she is. (But having said all that, I hope Lorraine does not last longer than her)!
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Old 28-05-2009, 18:12
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If Margaret's opinion is disregarded then it is bad news for Lorraine as well. Margaret was her biggest advocate in the boadroom.
True, but it was pretty clear on YF that Margaret no longer held a very high opinion of Lorraine. Maybe Margaret has disregarded her own earlier opinion?!
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Old 28-05-2009, 18:14
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If Margaret's opinion is disregarded then it is bad news for Lorraine as well. Margaret was her biggest advocate in the boadroom.
Nick took on that role last night.
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Old 28-05-2009, 18:22
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True, but it was pretty clear on YF that Margaret no longer held a very high opinion of Lorraine. Maybe Margaret has disregarded her own earlier opinion?!
I am not sure when Margaret changed her opinion. May be she changed it after watching the episode. We will probably know for sure when we see: The apprentice: the final 5.
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