Skys Xbox 360 Player - Another Nail In To The BTV Coffin

Ayce · 29-05-2009, 09:21

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming...box-360-603323

So - with VOD and a XBOX platform on the way and prices on the rise to match the Sky service I am seeing it very hard for BTV to compete soon.....

Comments ?

Terran

PS - Came from here - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1026470

noise747 · 29-05-2009, 11:06

The problem with Sky Player, no matter if it is though a computer or Xbox is the same as other VOD services, like BBC iplayer and that is it uses bandwidth that have to be paid for and there is also no QOS.

A lot of ISPs will allow you to download/upload so much data and that is it, you either have to pay more or you get knocked down to a very low speed. Even so called unlimited have problems.

Then there is the QOS, if you got a couple of computers running at the same time, then something is going to go unless you got a high speed connection.

I think Sky is realising that people are cutting back and they want to t6ry and get peoples interest, allowing VOd via the X-box is just another way to try and get people interest.

I do think that BTvision is starting to struggle to get more customers, mainly because of the price and putting the price up have not helped.
I know many who have sky and have cut down and some have looked at BT vision and decided that it was more expensive than Sky and they may as well just stay as they are.

I think all pay T.v is going suffer over the next 12 months or so as more people loses jobs and money get tighter.

Daveoc64 · 29-05-2009, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

I think all pay T.v is going suffer over the next 12 months or so as more people loses jobs and money get tighter.

Internationally, that does not appear to be the case.

In a recession, spending increases on basic entertainment. Pay TV is considered to be part of that.

Sky has seen very good subscriber growth during the last few quarters in the recession.

the_sheepman · 29-05-2009, 11:47

Weren't BT offering BTV on the XBox too? I remember an announcement of the tie up I'm sure.

darkjedimaster · 29-05-2009, 12:58

I am looking forward to this but I would like to see some more information, before I would consider to stop using the usual suspects for my TV viewing

.

(1) What content will it offer, Sky 1, Sky Sports, Box Office etc etc. ?

(2) Monthly cost compared to the same content on a sky subscription.

(3) Will we be required to sign up for a minimum term ?.

It will be interesting to read further information nearer to the release of it

Ayce · 29-05-2009, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_sheepman

Weren't BT offering BTV on the XBox too? I remember an announcement of the tie up I'm sure.

Thats really why I posted this.... BTV have been pipped at the post AGAIN due to little move ment since the launch of BTV.....

Quote:

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/news_...with_microsoft

BSkyB strikes Xbox partnership with Microsoft29 May 09 -
UK pay-TV provider BSkyB is to make its Sky Player online TV service available to Xbox game console users in the UK and Ireland from the autumn.

The deal with Microsoft means that Xbox owners will be able to access pay-TV content via their entertainment consoles for the first time. Customers who join Sky through the Xbox will be able to sign up to a number of subscription packages as well as access programming on a pay-per-view basis.

Existing Sky subscribers with an Xbox will also be able to view on-demand programming through the Xbox, while multiroom and top-tier broadband subscribers will be able to view live TV via the device.

Terran

lowebb · 29-05-2009, 16:02

It comes down to price. The PC Sky Player is quite restrictive as even if you pay for everything on Sky you dont get some stuff on the PC player. If the Sky Player comes to a hosue hold you fire £40 out to Sky a month and Sk yare askign for another £15 for oD subscriptions, I doubt there will be interested.

Not being a Sky customer, I'm looking forward to what Pay-per-View sports they will offer. That would be something that i would be interested in

wwwebber · 01-06-2009, 21:14

I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me.

And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes.

No biggie really.

wwwebber · 02-06-2009, 09:02

And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts

lowebb · 02-06-2009, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me.

And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes.

No biggie really.

I believe Sky Xbox 360 player will have no QoS (and hence wont be tied to Sky Broadband); only intelligence to offer scalable distribution, it'll check what bandwidth is available and offer a number of bit-rates. I have no quote, but I think I seen it in Engadget.

wwwebber · 02-06-2009, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowebb

I believe Sky Xbox 360 player will have no QoS (and hence wont be tied to Sky Broadband); only intelligence to offer scalable distribution, it'll check what bandwidth is available and offer a number of bit-rates. I have no quote, but I think I seen it in Engadget.

Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport

johnson293 · 02-06-2009, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts

I didn't realise BT Vision VOD was free.

You may be right about the adverts though.

Ayce · 02-06-2009, 15:19

Seems like a gang land murder on the BTV service this week....

http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?...li_epg_goes_hd

Terran

noise747 · 03-06-2009, 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveoc64

Internationally, that does not appear to be the case.

In a recession, spending increases on basic entertainment. Pay TV is considered to be part of that.

Sky has seen very good subscriber growth during the last few quarters in the recession.

At the moment Sky is doing ok, but if things get worse then people will start cutting down. In fact some people have, as I have said before I know people who have cut down on Sky because of finances. I know two families where the main earner have lost there job a few weeks ago and the first thing to go was sky in one family and in the other they have cut down their internet as they asked me which was cheapest but still offered a service good enough for basic use. They still got Sky in the second family, but sports and movies have now gone or will be gone.

My finances are not great at the moment either, I cut right down on T.V, by giving up the licence, some of that was because there was very little on to watch, the other reason was because £142 a year is a lot of money at the moment and I could use that for something more useful.

Next year, if I still got my job things will be a bit better, I will then decide if I want to bother with T.V again or not.

I have heard a lot of people complaining about T.V and that there is so much rubbish on, even with pay T.V, which for most people is Sky. At work I have talked to people who are considering cutting down on Sky.

Next year I expect I will be cutting the cost of my internet down, even if things are better, £300 a year us way too much for the service I get or lack of it. I may as well get something cheaper.

There is talk of people being laid off from a couple of factories around here, if that happens, then there will be even more people with less money. It is going to get worse before it gets better.

noise747 · 03-06-2009, 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport

That is the problem and you will also get the problem of limits.

m1ket · 05-06-2009, 07:14

Heres my situation i cant get cable or sky and i want to watch live sport so i already have btvision but there no sky sports

I subscribe to the current skyplayer and it gives me skysports 1/2/3/Extra on live streams, i connect my laptop to my tv and the high quality version of the stream is approaching tv quality and this works pretty well

Being able to do this on my xbox will be even more convenient

noise747 · 05-06-2009, 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1ket

Heres my situation i cant get cable or sky and i want to watch live sport so i already have btvision but there no sky sports

I subscribe to the current skyplayer and it gives me skysports 1/2/3/Extra on live streams, i connect my laptop to my tv and the high quality version of the stream is approaching tv quality and this works pretty well

Being able to do this on my xbox will be even more convenient

In theory it sounds great, but if you have a ISP that shapes or you have data limits, then it will be a problem.

m1ket · 06-06-2009, 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

In theory it sounds great, but if you have a ISP that shapes or you have data limits, then it will be a problem.

Well its not theory for me..

So is not watching it at all, its not like btvision give me an option to watch skysports..

Ive not had an issue with data limit but i am on option 3, i only watch superleague on sky sports anyway not more than 4 hours a week i would guess

father_ted9t9 · 23-10-2009, 17:03

http://www.techtv101.com/?p=1880 Here is footage of the actual Live player in action!!!

stuntmaster · 23-10-2009, 20:38

Sky player aint all that great.

sucks up bandwidth like an old car on 4 star petrol.

when I had option 1, 3 days worth of watching sky player took it over my useage allowance. not only that theres a rather annoying silverlight bug that seems to dump the stream into a temp folder then play it. course that folder doesn't flush. so before you know it upto 30GB's worth will be lost, so running XP's disk cleaner fixes it. till you watch live TV again.

wwwebber · 24-10-2009, 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me.

And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes.

No biggie really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport

It does look slick but the points above are still very relevent.

Matterhorn · 24-10-2009, 10:30

Until we know the prices then no one can say this is good/bad or great.

Having said that, pay per view stuff would be could from a pick and choose point of view.

Matterhorn · 24-10-2009, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts

If you can work out another way for TV content without a direct sub then I'm sure ITV, CH4, CH5 would love to hear it.

Its ok saying you don't like Ads...who does? But they serve a purpose...... or would you rather just pay for ITV as has been suggested.?

Matterhorn · 24-10-2009, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me.

And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes.

No biggie really.

iPlayer runs fine on the PS3 with no QoS, Apple TV is similarly unaffected by no Qos.

Trailers (even HD ones) run great via XBL marketplace.

QoS is vital for multiple users in one house, but for a one to one connection , in my experience, it doesn't seem to matter.

On market size...

360 ownership in the UK is well over a million now and BT broadband users are in the millions! There will be a significant overlap...which in the context of 400k Vision users and unknown number of paying subscribers, it is far from a nascent market.

wwwebber · 24-10-2009, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

If you can work out another way for TV content without a direct sub then I'm sure ITV, CH4, CH5 would love to hear it.

Its ok saying you don't like Ads...who does? But they serve a purpose...... or would you rather just pay for ITV as has been suggested.?

I pay for BTVision and dont get any ads - thats my point. With Sky Player you pay to watch adverts - please pay attention.

29-05-2009, 09:21	#1
Ayce Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Morecambe, Lancs, UK Posts: 1,525	Skys Xbox 360 Player - Another Nail In To The BTV Coffin http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming...box-360-603323 So - with VOD and a XBOX platform on the way and prices on the rise to match the Sky service I am seeing it very hard for BTV to compete soon..... Comments ? Terran PS - Came from here - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1026470

29-05-2009, 11:06	#2
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	The problem with Sky Player, no matter if it is though a computer or Xbox is the same as other VOD services, like BBC iplayer and that is it uses bandwidth that have to be paid for and there is also no QOS. A lot of ISPs will allow you to download/upload so much data and that is it, you either have to pay more or you get knocked down to a very low speed. Even so called unlimited have problems. Then there is the QOS, if you got a couple of computers running at the same time, then something is going to go unless you got a high speed connection. I think Sky is realising that people are cutting back and they want to t6ry and get peoples interest, allowing VOd via the X-box is just another way to try and get people interest. I do think that BTvision is starting to struggle to get more customers, mainly because of the price and putting the price up have not helped. I know many who have sky and have cut down and some have looked at BT vision and decided that it was more expensive than Sky and they may as well just stay as they are. I think all pay T.v is going suffer over the next 12 months or so as more people loses jobs and money get tighter.

29-05-2009, 11:20	#3
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 I think all pay T.v is going suffer over the next 12 months or so as more people loses jobs and money get tighter. Internationally, that does not appear to be the case. In a recession, spending increases on basic entertainment. Pay TV is considered to be part of that. Sky has seen very good subscriber growth during the last few quarters in the recession.

29-05-2009, 11:47	#4
the_sheepman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire Posts: 74	Weren't BT offering BTV on the XBox too? I remember an announcement of the tie up I'm sure.

29-05-2009, 12:58	#5
darkjedimaster Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Deathstar Posts: 15,398	I am looking forward to this but I would like to see some more information, before I would consider to stop using the usual suspects for my TV viewing . (1) What content will it offer, Sky 1, Sky Sports, Box Office etc etc. ? (2) Monthly cost compared to the same content on a sky subscription. (3) Will we be required to sign up for a minimum term ?. It will be interesting to read further information nearer to the release of it

29-05-2009, 13:10	#6
Ayce Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Morecambe, Lancs, UK Posts: 1,525	Quote: Originally Posted by the_sheepman Weren't BT offering BTV on the XBox too? I remember an announcement of the tie up I'm sure. Thats really why I posted this.... BTV have been pipped at the post AGAIN due to little move ment since the launch of BTV..... Quote: http://www.digitaltveurope.net/news_...with_microsoft BSkyB strikes Xbox partnership with Microsoft29 May 09 - UK pay-TV provider BSkyB is to make its Sky Player online TV service available to Xbox game console users in the UK and Ireland from the autumn. The deal with Microsoft means that Xbox owners will be able to access pay-TV content via their entertainment consoles for the first time. Customers who join Sky through the Xbox will be able to sign up to a number of subscription packages as well as access programming on a pay-per-view basis. Existing Sky subscribers with an Xbox will also be able to view on-demand programming through the Xbox, while multiroom and top-tier broadband subscribers will be able to view live TV via the device. Terran

29-05-2009, 16:02	#7
lowebb Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 451	It comes down to price. The PC Sky Player is quite restrictive as even if you pay for everything on Sky you dont get some stuff on the PC player. If the Sky Player comes to a hosue hold you fire £40 out to Sky a month and Sk yare askign for another £15 for oD subscriptions, I doubt there will be interested. Not being a Sky customer, I'm looking forward to what Pay-per-View sports they will offer. That would be something that i would be interested in

01-06-2009, 21:14	#8
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me. And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes. No biggie really.

02-06-2009, 09:02	#9
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts

02-06-2009, 09:23	#10
lowebb Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 451	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me. And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes. No biggie really. I believe Sky Xbox 360 player will have no QoS (and hence wont be tied to Sky Broadband); only intelligence to offer scalable distribution, it'll check what bandwidth is available and offer a number of bit-rates. I have no quote, but I think I seen it in Engadget.

02-06-2009, 11:11	#11
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by lowebb I believe Sky Xbox 360 player will have no QoS (and hence wont be tied to Sky Broadband); only intelligence to offer scalable distribution, it'll check what bandwidth is available and offer a number of bit-rates. I have no quote, but I think I seen it in Engadget. Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport

02-06-2009, 14:44	#12
johnson293 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 1,243	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts I didn't realise BT Vision VOD was free. You may be right about the adverts though.

02-06-2009, 15:19	#13
Ayce Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Morecambe, Lancs, UK Posts: 1,525	Seems like a gang land murder on the BTV service this week.... http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?...li_epg_goes_hd Terran

03-06-2009, 09:46	#14
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Daveoc64 Internationally, that does not appear to be the case. In a recession, spending increases on basic entertainment. Pay TV is considered to be part of that. Sky has seen very good subscriber growth during the last few quarters in the recession. At the moment Sky is doing ok, but if things get worse then people will start cutting down. In fact some people have, as I have said before I know people who have cut down on Sky because of finances. I know two families where the main earner have lost there job a few weeks ago and the first thing to go was sky in one family and in the other they have cut down their internet as they asked me which was cheapest but still offered a service good enough for basic use. They still got Sky in the second family, but sports and movies have now gone or will be gone. My finances are not great at the moment either, I cut right down on T.V, by giving up the licence, some of that was because there was very little on to watch, the other reason was because £142 a year is a lot of money at the moment and I could use that for something more useful. Next year, if I still got my job things will be a bit better, I will then decide if I want to bother with T.V again or not. I have heard a lot of people complaining about T.V and that there is so much rubbish on, even with pay T.V, which for most people is Sky. At work I have talked to people who are considering cutting down on Sky. Next year I expect I will be cutting the cost of my internet down, even if things are better, £300 a year us way too much for the service I get or lack of it. I may as well get something cheaper. There is talk of people being laid off from a couple of factories around here, if that happens, then there will be even more people with less money. It is going to get worse before it gets better.

03-06-2009, 09:47	#15
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport That is the problem and you will also get the problem of limits.

05-06-2009, 07:14	#16
m1ket Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 165	Heres my situation i cant get cable or sky and i want to watch live sport so i already have btvision but there no sky sports I subscribe to the current skyplayer and it gives me skysports 1/2/3/Extra on live streams, i connect my laptop to my tv and the high quality version of the stream is approaching tv quality and this works pretty well Being able to do this on my xbox will be even more convenient

05-06-2009, 08:26	#17
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by m1ket Heres my situation i cant get cable or sky and i want to watch live sport so i already have btvision but there no sky sports I subscribe to the current skyplayer and it gives me skysports 1/2/3/Extra on live streams, i connect my laptop to my tv and the high quality version of the stream is approaching tv quality and this works pretty well Being able to do this on my xbox will be even more convenient In theory it sounds great, but if you have a ISP that shapes or you have data limits, then it will be a problem.

06-06-2009, 07:42	#18
m1ket Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 165	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 In theory it sounds great, but if you have a ISP that shapes or you have data limits, then it will be a problem. Well its not theory for me.. So is not watching it at all, its not like btvision give me an option to watch skysports.. Ive not had an issue with data limit but i am on option 3, i only watch superleague on sky sports anyway not more than 4 hours a week i would guess

23-10-2009, 17:03	#19
father_ted9t9 Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8	http://www.techtv101.com/?p=1880 Here is footage of the actual Live player in action!!!

23-10-2009, 20:38	#20
stuntmaster Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southampton - Hannington - TX Posts: 4,878	Sky player aint all that great. sucks up bandwidth like an old car on 4 star petrol. when I had option 1, 3 days worth of watching sky player took it over my useage allowance. not only that theres a rather annoying silverlight bug that seems to dump the stream into a temp folder then play it. course that folder doesn't flush. so before you know it upto 30GB's worth will be lost, so running XP's disk cleaner fixes it. till you watch live TV again.

24-10-2009, 08:35	#21
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me. And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes. No biggie really. Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Not good as any change in available bandwidth or sudden congestion will mean pauses, rebuffering etc. God knows how this will work with live transmissions - especially sport It does look slick but the points above are still very relevent.

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24-10-2009, 10:30	#22
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Until we know the prices then no one can say this is good/bad or great. Having said that, pay per view stuff would be could from a pick and choose point of view.

24-10-2009, 10:33	#23
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber And another thing - prepare to pay for this service AND be blasted with adverts If you can work out another way for TV content without a direct sub then I'm sure ITV, CH4, CH5 would love to hear it. Its ok saying you don't like Ads...who does? But they serve a purpose...... or would you rather just pay for ITV as has been suggested.?

24-10-2009, 10:39	#24
Matterhorn Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 729	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber I'm assuming that you'll need Sky broadband here - they couldnt possibly run linear TV over broadband without some sort of QOS etc. It also says that it will be DVD quality over a 1meg line which smells very fishy to me. And BT havent missed the boat at all, BT never planned to offer linear TV via the Xbox - just BTV VOD content. Niche market anyway - you need an Xbox + BT Internet + BTVision account which I gather would be a small number of homes. No biggie really. iPlayer runs fine on the PS3 with no QoS, Apple TV is similarly unaffected by no Qos. Trailers (even HD ones) run great via XBL marketplace. QoS is vital for multiple users in one house, but for a one to one connection , in my experience, it doesn't seem to matter. On market size... 360 ownership in the UK is well over a million now and BT broadband users are in the millions! There will be a significant overlap...which in the context of 400k Vision users and unknown number of paying subscribers, it is far from a nascent market.

24-10-2009, 10:41	#25
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by Matterhorn If you can work out another way for TV content without a direct sub then I'm sure ITV, CH4, CH5 would love to hear it. Its ok saying you don't like Ads...who does? But they serve a purpose...... or would you rather just pay for ITV as has been suggested.? I pay for BTVision and dont get any ads - thats my point. With Sky Player you pay to watch adverts - please pay attention.