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Old 30-05-2009, 21:36
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...could there be a tie?

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Old 30-05-2009, 21:37
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No. I posted a long reason why on the 'fixed' thread (am telco engineer).
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:37
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...could there be a tie?

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Eh???


That doesn't even make sense
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:39
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No. I posted a long reason why on the 'fixed' thread (am telco engineer).
Ok. I'm not a regular visitor to these threads, could you link the thread/post number please?

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Old 30-05-2009, 21:40
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Eh???


That doesn't even make sense
What I'm wondering is...

If each of the phone lines can cope with, say, 1 million calls an hour, then if two of them are permanently busy, each could get the maximum of 1.5m votes.

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Old 30-05-2009, 21:41
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LMAO! This one hasn't been thoughtout too well!
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:42
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cant get through to flawless tried over 20 times now
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:45
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If a phone line a busier it would take calls a split second quicker so more calls per hour. It just means the acts with low votes will get a higher percentage than they should do.
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:45
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What I'm wondering is...

If each of the phone lines can cope with, say, 1 million calls an hour, then if two of them are permanently busy, each could get the maximum of 1.5m votes.

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I see your rationale but no, the chances of people dialling at the exact same times and catching a free channel ensuring a perfectly tied vote are extremely, extremely remote. My post from earlier:

Before the conspiracy threads start I would like it noting that I am a telecoms engineer and if you can't get through to a line it's NOT a conspiracy, it's congestion!

Each number has a maximum load which is NOT balanced - ie, you'll struggle to get through tot the hot favourite but the rank outsider voter will have no problems.

This does in effect mean that BT/ITV won't register as many votes as if the maximum load had been higher (an almost physical impossibility with the surge of callers.) However, the person with the most attempted votes will always have the most actual votes too as every time a channel becomes free to accept the vote it will (almost per-second if people are calling non-stop). Whereas with an outsider there will be a wait period between votes, despite the 'success rate' of callers being 100%.

It's somewhat hard to explain but as long as the lines have an equal max load (which I'm sure they do, given ITVs past with OFCOM!) the person with the most votes will have gotten the max any of the lines could handle in that hour - so even if 10% of callers failed to get through, they would still win - because the callers only failed to get through because the channel was in-use for a successful vote.
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:47
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I see your rationale but no, the chances of people dialling at the exact same times and catching a free channel ensuring a perfectly tied vote are extremely, extremely remote. My post from earlier:

Before the conspiracy threads start I would like it noting that I am a telecoms engineer and if you can't get through to a line it's NOT a conspiracy, it's congestion!

Each number has a maximum load which is NOT balanced - ie, you'll struggle to get through tot the hot favourite but the rank outsider voter will have no problems.

This does in effect mean that BT/ITV won't register as many votes as if the maximum load had been higher (an almost physical impossibility with the surge of callers.) However, the person with the most attempted votes will always have the most actual votes too as every time a channel becomes free to accept the vote it will (almost per-second if people are calling non-stop). Whereas with an outsider there will be a wait period between votes, despite the 'success rate' of callers being 100%.

It's somewhat hard to explain but as long as the lines have an equal max load (which I'm sure they do, given ITVs past with OFCOM!) the person with the most votes will have gotten the max any of the lines could handle in that hour - so even if 10% of callers failed to get through, they would still win - because the callers only failed to get through because the channel was in-use for a successful vote.
Thanks, that makes loads of sense, and you are very patient to have typed all that out.
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Old 30-05-2009, 21:50
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I see your rationale but no, the chances of people dialling at the exact same times and catching a free channel ensuring a perfectly tied vote are extremely, extremely remote. My post from earlier:

Before the conspiracy threads start I would like it noting that I am a telecoms engineer and if you can't get through to a line it's NOT a conspiracy, it's congestion!

Each number has a maximum load which is NOT balanced - ie, you'll struggle to get through tot the hot favourite but the rank outsider voter will have no problems.

This does in effect mean that BT/ITV won't register as many votes as if the maximum load had been higher (an almost physical impossibility with the surge of callers.) However, the person with the most attempted votes will always have the most actual votes too as every time a channel becomes free to accept the vote it will (almost per-second if people are calling non-stop). Whereas with an outsider there will be a wait period between votes, despite the 'success rate' of callers being 100%.

It's somewhat hard to explain but as long as the lines have an equal max load (which I'm sure they do, given ITVs past with OFCOM!) the person with the most votes will have gotten the max any of the lines could handle in that hour - so even if 10% of callers failed to get through, they would still win - because the callers only failed to get through because the channel was in-use for a successful vote.
So, possible, but very very unlikely, even if the lines are chocka.

OK, ta!

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