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Cameron Chooses Celebrity Future.
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EddyBee
25-12-2003
From the Sunday Herald 21/12/03, Cameron, in an extensive interview, rejects claims that he is a mere flash in the pan ...

'Cameron Stout had his 15 minutes on Big Brother yet is still basking in the limelight as a pantomime pirate. But, discovers Susan Flockhart, the clean-cut islander’s celebrity career is now at a crossroads.

CAMERON Stout has been caught red-handed assaulting a bunch of children, no bigger than knee-high. They started it – chucking stones at him and having a laugh. But then the burly Orcadian began hurling the rocks back at them. Oh yes he did! The rocks were foam rubber, of course, and Stout – 32-year-old winner of this year’s Big Brother – was only getting into character as a mischievous pirate in Peter Pan, at His Majesty’s Theatre in Aberdeen. Yet it seems there are plenty of scandal-mongers who’d love to see the twinkly-eyed Baptist caught out for real, doing something scurrilously un-Christian.

“I suppose panto is a bit like real life,” he muses. “If you trip up onstage, the audience think it’s hilarious. And if you slip up in real life, there will always be an element of the public homing in . But c’est la vie. Let’s just say that if I reversed my car into somebody, it would be – ‘Gasp! Cameron had too much to drink and look what he’s done!’ Even if I’d had nothing to drink it would be in the paper.”

Regularly accused of being teetotal – along with his acknowledged foibles of God-fearing piety and no-sex-before-marriage virginity – Stout actually does drink, though today he’s sipping juice in the cold and empty theatre bar. Divested of his pirate togs and looking mildly scruffy in old jeans and a sweat-top, he’s ruminating over his present predicament. Having gained overnight celebrity on reality TV, the affable, homely fish-trader stands at a crossroads with his future forking off towards celebrity, obscurity or – if the “trashy tabloids” get their way – ignominy......

But, although he insists he never went into Big Brother to find celebrity, a showbiz career seems to be beckoning. Having secured an agent after winning the £70,000 prize, he’s already made countless TV appearances. Christmas broadcasts are in the pipeline and he’ll host the Stirling Castle Hogmanay celebrations. Then there’s a charity trek up Kilimanjaro plus a pile of programme proposals on commissioning editors’ desks. And, though he’s spent too much time tending the Big Brother hen-coop to go counting his chickens, he’s “having an absolute ball”.

Is there any romance in his life? Stout makes that characteristic sideways dart of the eyes. “As soon as there’s anything appropriate to share, we’ll be sharing it.” Don’t be misled by that first-person plural: Stout often uses the royal “we”, not for self-aggrandisement but because he seems to consider the “I” word egocentric. All the same, when I allude to the panto’s attractive female cast he concurs, adding: “The dancers are lovely, too.”

Is this significant? “Take from it what you like. I don’t know what to say on the subject. I mean, it’s no’ for talking about … you both have to be happy with the attention or the effects it has.” So there is somebody? “No, I’d no’ say there’s necessarily somebody, but … Somebody that’s going out with somebody in the media spotlight is bound to have a lot of pressure on them so…”

If Big Brother has changed him at all, it’s in helping to dispense with his natural shyness. “I’m meeting so many people, I don’t have time to be shy. I just have to forget that bit and be straight in: ‘Yeah, I’m Cameron, I come fae Orkney’. I t’s pointless being bashful and silly about it. People want to talk to you, so you’ve got to talk.”

He still can’t believe the circles in which he finds himself moving. At a recent film premiere, he was amazed when Billy Connolly yelled, “Hey, you’re the boy from Orkney!” and engaged him in cheery conversation. “We were talking about how lucky we both are being Scottish because you don’t get carried away with all this hype. You just think … I’m a welder, I’m a fish trader and yet we’re involved with public life and it’s great.'
EddyBee
25-12-2003
The full article can be found here at the Sunday Herald.
piranhaville
26-12-2003
Quote:
“ I just have to forget that bit and be straight' <SNIP>”

That's almost Freudian...
magsiesss
26-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Eejay
Regularly accused of being teetotal – ”

Utter rubbish ..... I think just about everybody realised that he was afraid to drink too much in the house in case his mask slipped a wee bit too much .... how is it possible to still dislike this sham of a man so much after all this time ?
Mesostim
26-12-2003
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“Originally posted by magsiesss
Utter rubbish ..... I think just about everybody realised that he was afraid to drink too much in the house in case his mask slipped a wee bit too much .... how is it possible to still dislike this sham of a man so much after all this time ? ”

No doubt about it...he played a game (as in was a fake) and was well helped by the editing department to carry it through......The man was a homophobic bigot who liked to threaten women behind their backs and since leaving the house has developed any number of reactionary populist right wing beliefs.How this loser won is beyond me byut audience manipulation once again rears it's head...time to stop Endomol running these shows I can't help thinking....
Plato
27-12-2003
Mesostim...chill

Since BB4 my life has been so empty

And now the pale shadows that once strut their stuff in the BB house are faded to obscurity,

There is only the Whicker Man who burns so brightly

Delicious in his duplicity

Where the Tickles of this world (oh how I revered him) are all made prosaic by the real world

The demonic wee free lives on

And he still seems to defy Truth and Evidence in the Courtroom of Public Opinion

Even Billy Connolly is nice to him

No-one can see his game but we

We happy few, we band of brothers

And plenty of sisters too

How grey will BB5 be without him

Can we not bring him back?
Rubber woman
28-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Plato

Even Billy Connolly is nice to him

:
”

did anyone see billy connolly insult cameron on julie walter's bafta tribute

he said something along the lines of that jerk sitting in a house still a virgin because of the bible - sorry i cannot quote verbatim, it was in the middle of a rant about the dumbing down of tv through reality programmes

it took me by surprise because cameron is always mentioning billy connolly in his interviews
bystander
28-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Mesostim
No doubt about it...he played a game (as in was a fake)......”

Yeah! Send him off Ref! He aimed the ball at the top right hand corner of the goal but the little sneak bent it and made it go into the bottom left hand corner of the net.....................the cheating bastard.

Mesostim
29-12-2003
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“Originally posted by bystander
Yeah! Send him off Ref! He aimed the ball at the top right hand corner of the goal but the little sneak bent it and made it go into the bottom left hand corner of the net.....................the cheating bastard.

”

Oh god...I'm so sorry Bystander...When I saw it called "reality TV" and didn't realised it was "Fake Acting Two Faced TV" we were watching......Now I know I'll be sure to back the fakes next time.....
ben4321
29-12-2003
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“Originally posted by Rubber woman
did anyone see billy connolly insult cameron on julie walter's bafta tribute

he said something along the lines of that jerk sitting in a house still a virgin because of the bible - sorry i cannot quote verbatim, it was in the middle of a rant about the dumbing down of tv through reality programmes

it took me by surprise because cameron is always mentioning billy connolly in his interviews
”

Billy Connolly is one classy gent.

Cam is just name-dropping. I think he knows deep down that he's not a popular winner and that his Z-grade celeb status is soon to be over.
skazza
29-12-2003
does he even make "z"?
bystander
31-12-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
Oh god...I'm so sorry Bystander...When I saw it called "reality TV" and didn't realised it was "Fake Acting Two Faced TV" we were watching......Now I know I'll be sure to back the fakes next time..... ”

I would have thought that in a contest to win £70,000 and possibly fame and fortune afterwards in a programme titled Big Brother, where you're required to win over both the support of your HM's and also the public, essential weapons in your armoury are a degree of fake acting and being a bit two faced.
By now though, as hardened BB watchers we all know that to be true and consider it an understood don't we.

Btw, if Cameron was a fake in the house does that mean all those things that you accuse him of are also fake and were just tactical ploys to win the game and that in the real world he is a very nice guy, confirmed by the lack of any worms coming out of the woodwork and his general popularity with the public?
piranhaville
31-12-2003
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“Originally posted by skazza
does he even make "z"? ”

Of course he does...

...zzzzz
Vilt UK
31-12-2003
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“Originally posted by bystander
I would have thought that in a contest to win £70,000 and possibly fame and fortune afterwards in a programme titled Big Brother, where you're required to win over both the support of your HM's and also the public, essential weapons in your armoury are a degree of fake acting and being a bit two faced.
By now though, as hardened BB watchers we all know that to be true and consider it an understood don't we.

”

all Hm's also have the option to just be themselves and throw everything into however long they have in the house.Many do that and I would think they are the ones that get most out of the whole experience.It is the most comfortable thing to do.I know I would given half the chance.
sgrplmfry
01-01-2004
I disagree with the previous posts re Cameron's falseness.

I don't agree with his views on homosexuality but think that he was very brave to express them. He must have realised at the time that he was expressing a minority view which was more likely to lose him the Big Brother prize than win it.
ben4321
04-01-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by bystander
I would have thought that in a contest to win £70,000 and possibly fame and fortune afterwards in a programme titled Big Brother, where you're required to win over both the support of your HM's and also the public, essential weapons in your armoury are a degree of fake acting and being a bit two faced.
By now though, as hardened BB watchers we all know that to be true and consider it an understood don't we.

Btw, if Cameron was a fake in the house does that mean all those things that you accuse him of are also fake and were just tactical ploys to win the game and that in the real world he is a very nice guy, confirmed by the lack of any worms coming out of the woodwork and his general popularity with the public?
”



Perhaps I actually agree in part however, in the sense that the only people to support Stout are those were stupid enough to fall for the falseness - probably the same sort of idiots who happily lapped up BB3.
ben4321
04-01-2004
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“Originally posted by sgrplmfry

I don't agree with his views on homosexuality but think that he was very brave to express them. He must have realised at the time that he was expressing a minority view which was more likely to lose him the Big Brother prize than win it.
”

What an utterly ridiculous viewpoint.

It is hardly "brave" to express bigoted, outdated, reactionary crap. On the contrary, it only happened because after nine weeks of self-obfuscation, he was finally put on the spot for the first time.

Would you argue the same if Stout was a member of the National Front? Would he be "brave" enough to express his "minority view"?

Hey - a bit of logic here please.
bystander
04-01-2004
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“Originally posted by ben4321


Perhaps I actually agree in part however, in the sense that the only people to support Stout are those were stupid enough to fall for the falseness - probably the same sort of idiots who happily lapped up BB3.
”

Now whose being provocative?
sgrplmfry
04-01-2004
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“Originally posted by ben4321
What an utterly ridiculous viewpoint.

It is hardly "brave" to express bigoted, outdated, reactionary crap. On the contrary, it only happened because after nine weeks of self-obfuscation, he was finally put on the spot for the first time.

Would you argue the same if Stout was a member of the National Front? Would he be "brave" enough to express his "minority view"?

Hey - a bit of logic here please.
”

It is always brave to express an honestly held view when it is at a detriment to yourself (as you would have thought in Cameron’s case). If the logic of that discourse is flawed, this does not make the speaker any less brave for saying it.

It is a good thing that the views that Cameron expressed have stimulated healthy discussion about the issues raised, but I can see no need for the level of personal attack which has been aimed at Cameron because he chose to express a view which was not a popular one. I don’t believe that Cameron has behaved in such a way to merit the way that certain people are behaving towards him.

Re the ‘national front’ argument – Providing someone does not incite hatred, violence or any kind of persecution against another person, I see no objection to them speaking their mind. I do, however, expect people to express their opinion in a courteous and considerate way.

If you disagree with the views that Cameron expressed, perhaps the best way to counter these is to explain why you disagree and not to launch a character assassination.
ben4321
04-01-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by sgrplmfry
It is always brave to express an honestly held view when it is at a detriment to yourself (as you would have thought in Cameron’s case). If the logic of that discourse is flawed, this does not make the speaker any less brave for saying it.

It is a good thing that the views that Cameron expressed have stimulated healthy discussion about the issues raised, but I can see no need for the level of personal attack which has been aimed at Cameron because he chose to express a view which was not a popular one. I don’t believe that Cameron has behaved in such a way to merit the way that certain people are behaving towards him.

Re the ‘national front’ argument – Providing someone does not incite hatred, violence or any kind of persecution against another person, I see no objection to them speaking their mind. I do, however, expect people to express their opinion in a courteous and considerate way.

If you disagree with the views that Cameron expressed, perhaps the best way to counter these is to explain why you disagree and not to launch a character assassination.
”

You don't happen to be a pal of "disnaespeakmuch", do you?

Stout deserves all the vilification he gets.

The thrust of your post seems to be that "people can express bigoted, racist, homophobic garbage - but as long as they do it in a "nice" way, it's okay."

What utter rubbish.
bystander
04-01-2004
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“Originally posted by sgrplmfry
It is always brave to express an honestly held view when it is at a detriment to yourself (as you would have thought in Cameron’s case). If the logic of that discourse is flawed, this does not make the speaker any less brave for saying it.

It is a good thing that the views that Cameron expressed have stimulated healthy discussion about the issues raised, but I can see no need for the level of personal attack which has been aimed at Cameron because he chose to express a view which was not a popular one. I don’t believe that Cameron has behaved in such a way to merit the way that certain people are behaving towards him.

Re the ‘national front’ argument – Providing someone does not incite hatred, violence or any kind of persecution against another person, I see no objection to them speaking their mind. I do, however, expect people to express their opinion in a courteous and considerate way.

If you disagree with the views that Cameron expressed, perhaps the best way to counter these is to explain why you disagree and not to launch a character assassination.
”

That's outrageous! I do believe you're condoning freedom of speech, within the law.
Mesostim
05-01-2004
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“Originally posted by bystander
That's outrageous! I do believe you're condoning freedom of speech, within the law. ”

Cameron and freedom aren't things that go together are they...doesn't he like the idea of locking kids up on an island somewhere......?
bystander
05-01-2004
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“Originally posted by Mesostim
Cameron and freedom aren't things that go together are they...doesn't he like the idea of locking kids up on an island somewhere......? ”

locking kids up on an island is ok as long as they still have their freedom of speech.
Mesostim
05-01-2004
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“Originally posted by bystander
locking kids up on an island is ok as long as they still have their freedom of speech. ”

Ah..But only as long as they don't cost Cameron any money
iain
06-01-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by Rubber woman
did anyone see billy connolly insult cameron on julie walter's bafta tribute

he said something along the lines of that jerk sitting in a house still a virgin because of the bible - sorry i cannot quote verbatim, it was in the middle of a rant about the dumbing down of tv through reality programmes

it took me by surprise because cameron is always mentioning billy connolly in his interviews
”

so was it a billy connolly bit of humourous banter aimed at the blandness or reality tv shows, or shall we twist it around a bit, into a personal attack on Cameron?

Iain
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