Cameron Chooses Celebrity Future.

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iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by bystander
Yeah! Send him off Ref! He aimed the ball at the top right hand corner of the goal but the little sneak bent it and made it go into the bottom left hand corner of the net.....................the cheating bastard. ”

LOL

i know! its a disgrace - man enters gameshow, and purposely plays said game so successfully, he actually wins!

little sneaky cheatin' bastard!!!

Iain

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by sgrplmfry
I disagree with the previous posts re Cameron's falseness.

I don't agree with his views on homosexuality but think that he was very brave to express them. He must have realised at the time that he was expressing a minority view which was more likely to lose him the Big Brother prize than win it. ”

i hope you're not for a moment trying to suggest its in anyway inconsistant for people to both accuse Cameron of being a *fraud* and have a go at him for apparently *honest* comments?

surely not, huh?

Iain

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
What an utterly ridiculous viewpoint.

It is hardly "brave" to express bigoted, outdated, reactionary crap. On the contrary, it only happened because after nine weeks of self-obfuscation, he was finally put on the spot for the first time.

Would you argue the same if Stout was a member of the National Front? Would he be "brave" enough to express his "minority view"?

Hey - a bit of logic here please. ”

so which is it Ben - was Cameron being a *fraud* or did he express controversial, albeit *honest* views?

whatever you think of the guy, you can't have it both ways, now can you?

Iain

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
You don't happen to be a pal of "disnaespeakmuch", do you?

Stout deserves all the vilification he gets.

The thrust of your post seems to be that "people can express bigoted, racist, homophobic garbage - but as long as they do it in a "nice" way, it's okay."”

thats right - its called *freedom of speech*.

it might be complete bollocks, and abhorrant to most of us, but its something we have here nonetheless.

Iain

likescats

06-01-2004

:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

iain

06-01-2004

my sentiments exactly....

Iain

ben4321

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by grimfandango
:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: ”

Indeed.

ben4321

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
so which is it Ben - was Cameron being a *fraud* or did he express controversial, albeit *honest* views?

whatever you think of the guy, you can't have it both ways, now can you?

Iain ”

Couldn't you make it a New Year's resolution not to post pedantic drivel to a forum where you have precious little knowledge of the subject matter and not to waste your company's time and money posting when you should be working?

iain

06-01-2004

couldn't you make it a new year's resolution to give a straight answer to a simple question?

Iain

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
Indeed. ”

Exactly.

Iain

ben4321

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
couldn't you make it a new year's resolution to give a straight answer to a simple question?

Iain ”

Couldn't you get the hint just for once that you are a bore who has nothing valid or interesting to contribute?

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
Couldn't you get the hint just for once that you are a bore who has nothing valid or interesting to contribute? ”

can't you accept that just for once, the fact that I disagree with you doesn't make me a bore (its you guys who are still harping on about this after all!

) who has nothing valid or interesting to contribute.

i just think you're contradicting yourself when on the one hand you call Cameron a fraud, whilst on the other criticise him for his views which, whatever else they are, are honest.

you can respond to that politely and sensibly, or you can respond with the usual abusive bile - its up to you.

Iain

ben4321

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
can't you accept that just for once, the fact that I disagree with you doesn't make me a bore (its you guys who are still harping on about this after all! ) who has nothing valid or interesting to contribute.

i just think you're contradicting yourself when on the one hand you call Cameron a fraud, whilst on the other criticise him for his views which, whatever else they are, are honest.

you can respond to that politely and sensibly, or you can respond with the usual abusive bile - its up to you.

Iain ”

I only respond sensibly to people who have actually watched the programme, not to a pedant who just likes to break up his tedious day at work arguing for the sake of it.

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
I only respond sensibly to people who have actually watched the programme,”

big brother? yeah - i saw it.

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“not to a pedant who just likes to break up his tedious day at work arguing for the sake of it. ”

its a perfectly reasonable question - why do you always get so bitter and defensive?

Iain

Mesostim

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
couldn't you make it a new year's resolution to give a straight answer to a simple question?

Iain ”

I see you've decided to stand up for the homphobic, Asylum Seeker hating bigot again then Iain........Maybe you are going to tell us freedom to use threatening language when discussing women with other people is something to be admired......?

Mesostim

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by iain
LOL

i know! its a disgrace - man enters gameshow, and purposely plays said game so successfully, he actually wins!
”

Ah...well if winning was all that matters to you then Iain you chose the right bigot to back........Meanwhile since Big Bro is a popularity contest and not a gameshow....or were you thinking this was Bob's Full House, where I'm sure supressing your dodgy opinions would go unnoticed, there are some of us who find being fake on Big Brother less forgivable.......You will just have to accept that those of us who watched the show find Cameron far more contemptable than you.....and we're happy to express it......

iain

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
I see you've decided to stand up for the homphobic, Asylum Seeker hating bigot again then Iain........”

not really Mes, thats a bit like grassmarket et al accusing you of standing up for Saddam Hussein....

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“Maybe you are going to tell us freedom to use threatening language when discussing women with other people is something to be admired......? ”

not really no, why?

Iain

Mesostim

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by iain
not really Mes, thats a bit like grassmarket et al accusing you of standing up for Saddam Hussein....

Iain ”

Ho Ho.....Nice try....We (for you were in the frame for that cheap trick) never stuck up for Saddam at any point.....you are sticking up for Cameron.....

But I like the comparison........

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by Mesostim
Ah...well if winning was all that matters to you then Iain you chose the right bigot to back........”

there couldn't possibly be a difference between me thinking that *winning is all that matters*, and accepting that by its very nature BB is a *competition*, and so by definition will be *competitive*.

ben has harped on about me *not understanding the nature of BB*, but i think most simply put, BB is popularity contest, and as such people may not necessarily be most popular by being 100% *themselves*.

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“Meanwhile since Big Bro is a popularity contest and not a gameshow....”

how did the song go? *its only a gameshow, its only a gameshow...* who's being pedantic now?

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“You will just have to accept that those of us who watched the show find Cameron far more contemptable than you.....and we're happy to express it...... ”

of course thats perfectly reasonable. i still think you're contradicting yourselves to describe Cameron as a *fraud* at the same time as criticising his *honest* views - don't you think?

Iain

likescats

06-01-2004

BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iain

06-01-2004

Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
Ho Ho.....Nice try....We (for you were in the frame for that cheap trick) never stuck up for Saddam at any point.....you are sticking up for Cameron..... But I like the comparison........ ”

i'm not sticking up for him, i'm saying you guys are being inconsistant and trying to have you're cake and eat it. i couldn't really give a monkeys about Cameron.

Iain

likescats

06-01-2004

Did someone say cake? give

ben4321

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by iain
i'm not sticking up for him, i'm saying you guys are being inconsistant and trying to have you're cake and eat it. i couldn't really give a monkeys about Cameron.

Iain ”

Then don't you think your time might be better spent elsewhere?

:yawn:

ben4321

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by grimfandango
Did someone say cake? give ”

Yes indeed. Let's bring out the tea urn and watch the page count rise and rise and rise.....

iain

06-01-2004

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“Originally posted by ben4321
Yes indeed. Let's bring out the tea urn and watch the page count rise and rise and rise..... ”

yes - because whatever you say should be the be all and end all of any thread, and anyone who has a different view can just soak up your abuse?

is that it?

Iain

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