Originally Posted by Smithy1204:
“Unless exhaustion is just something to tell the public.”
“Unless exhaustion is just something to tell the public.”
It's usually a euphemism.
Susan Boyle rushed to Priory Clinic
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It was obvious from her antics on stage in the semis and the finals that she is slightly unstable - and I don't mean that nastily at all.
If the people behind the show had any decency they would not have put her through and then Cowell could still have produced an album with her at her pace.
But who cares about decency when viewing figures are being chased?
If the people behind the show had any decency they would not have put her through and then Cowell could still have produced an album with her at her pace.
But who cares about decency when viewing figures are being chased?
She has learning difficulties, apparently. What would help a lot is if the bloody press would stop building people up, only to then hold a witchhunt to bring them down again. Susan Boyle couldn't cope with it all. It can't have been nice for her to see all the headlines after they grilled people in her hometown to find the dirt on her and there was no need for it.
Originally Posted by Bob22A:
“ She was taken from the hotel to a doctor and was then voluntarily sectioned under the mental health act.”
“ She was taken from the hotel to a doctor and was then voluntarily sectioned under the mental health act.”
This just goes to show that she has serious problems. They don't section you for exhaustion. I feel for Susan, I really do.
Originally Posted by Marguerite:
“Totally agree.
The mass hysteria and bandwagon jumping from across the pond was the biggest contibutor to this unprecedented situation where one single performance was blown up out of all proportion.”
“Totally agree.
The mass hysteria and bandwagon jumping from across the pond was the biggest contibutor to this unprecedented situation where one single performance was blown up out of all proportion.”
I agree 100%.
Piers M is on GMTV any minute now.
He's sounding pretty sensible so far.
"Entirely voluntary" ie not sectioned.
He's sounding pretty sensible so far.
"Entirely voluntary" ie not sectioned.
Originally Posted by pickledgherkin:
“Poor woman. She will have a good rest, and privacy, in the Priory.
I don't believe the story about running amok and throwing water after the show. The papers make up anything. We all saw how relieved she was not to have won yet on a news programme I just saw headlines of today's papers showing horrible pictures of her and saying she was upset about not winning. Rubbish.”
“Poor woman. She will have a good rest, and privacy, in the Priory.
I don't believe the story about running amok and throwing water after the show. The papers make up anything. We all saw how relieved she was not to have won yet on a news programme I just saw headlines of today's papers showing horrible pictures of her and saying she was upset about not winning. Rubbish.”
I agree with you!!!!
I think that a lot of her problems have been caused because the press and public etc have been hounding her for the past 6 weeks... and just as a child would have a chaperone type of person, I think she should have had someone to look after her during her past week in London, especially as everyone was aware she was brain-damaged at birth.... as she has been 'hounded' far too much and also she's probably been provoked by the press so they could write some odd story about her.
Piers Morgan said on TV the backstage stuff has been exaggerated because he was with her after the show and there were no tantrums as reported by the press... he said she enjoyed the show and she is just emotionally drained and tired and needs a complete rest.
When asked if she was in the Priory, he refused to say where she was!
He said that she didn't want to "win a talent show" she wanted to be able to sing and she'll get her wish.... and he thinks that coming second has probably made her 'more loved' in America and in a few days after having a good rest, Susan will be fine!
I never wanted Susan to win and I made a thread saying so. Regardless I feel sorry for her now as its obvious she is mentally unstable. Will that stop Cowell and his money making machine pimping her around the world?? Of course not.
Then when her time is up and she is no longer making money. She will end up by herself in a bigger house all washed up after years of touring.
Cowell and his machine don't care about her well being, they care about money and fame.
Then when her time is up and she is no longer making money. She will end up by herself in a bigger house all washed up after years of touring.
Cowell and his machine don't care about her well being, they care about money and fame.
Originally Posted by gamercraig:
“It was obvious from her antics on stage in the semis and the finals that she is slightly unstable - and I don't mean that nastily at all.
If the people behind the show had any decency they would not have put her through and then Cowell could still have produced an album with her at her pace.
But who cares about decency when viewing figures are being chased?”
“It was obvious from her antics on stage in the semis and the finals that she is slightly unstable - and I don't mean that nastily at all.
If the people behind the show had any decency they would not have put her through and then Cowell could still have produced an album with her at her pace.
But who cares about decency when viewing figures are being chased?”
If pretty much anyone had to endure what she did last week, they'd be in the priory/sectioned/whatever. It was atrocious.
Creating dramas about people is one thing if they're like Britney Spears and have record companies/management teams/etc. SuBo clearly hasn't been afforded that by Syco/TalkbackThames/ITV - all of whom are happy to profit from her misery.
Of course, the perpetrators of all the Boyle-baiting - the Daily Mail - and their tabloid sheep should be the ones footing the bill. But they won't. Instead, they'll report this story like SuBo couldn't cope with losing and keep referring back to her letting rip at "strangers" - conveniently omitting that the "strangers" were actually their own journalists ...
Originally Posted by Noir75:
“I never wanted Susan to win and I made a thread saying so. Regardless I feel sorry for her now as its obvious she is mentally unstable. Will that stop Cowell and his money making machine pimping her around the world?? Of course not.
Then when her time is up and she is no longer making money. She will end up by herself in a bigger house all washed up after years of touring.
Cowell and his machine don't care about her well being, they care about money and fame.”
“I never wanted Susan to win and I made a thread saying so. Regardless I feel sorry for her now as its obvious she is mentally unstable. Will that stop Cowell and his money making machine pimping her around the world?? Of course not.
Then when her time is up and she is no longer making money. She will end up by herself in a bigger house all washed up after years of touring.
Cowell and his machine don't care about her well being, they care about money and fame.”
I don't think she will be in any different house than she is now and she has her family and friends around her
and I'm sure she would stay there whatever money she has in the future!
The whole thing has been a bit of a freak show. Now it has backfired on someone who can't cope.
Sick making.
Alan
Sick making.
Alan
I think what he said is right, the pressure has just been huge and too much. On the night of her audition she went from unknown to global mega star. Everyone from all corners of the world knew about her. I spoke to a friend in Egypt who knew about her, that's how global she was. And then all she could do was wait.. and it's clearly taken it's toll. I'm not sure anyone could have coped. Had the audition, semi and then final been on 3 consecutive days she probably would have done much better mentally.
Has she any family to support her? Why is she living out of hotels atm?
I just hope Cowells people look after her, which I'm sure they will.
Has she any family to support her? Why is she living out of hotels atm?
I just hope Cowells people look after her, which I'm sure they will.
Originally Posted by soullover:
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today
. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.
People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom. If BMG/Sony milk her for her 5 minutes of fame they could ruin her life forever..and providing her with a bevy of psychologists on the way shouldn't be enough to satisfy their consciences either.”
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today
. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom. If BMG/Sony milk her for her 5 minutes of fame they could ruin her life forever..and providing her with a bevy of psychologists on the way shouldn't be enough to satisfy their consciences either.”
She is most likely a bit tired and stressed just as anyone would be in that situation, let alone someone who has lead a quite insular life such as her...
I fail to see why you should think that ridiculous unfounded speculation about her state of mind is any better than any other hysteria
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“I think what he said is right, the pressure has just been huge and too much. On the night of her audition she went from unknown to global mega star. Everyone from all corners of the world knew about her. I spoke to a friend in Egypt who knew about her, that's how global she was. And then all she could do was wait.. and it's clearly taken it's toll. I'm not sure anyone could have coped. Had the audition, semi and then final been on 3 consecutive days she probably would have done much better mentally.
Has she any family to support her? Why is she living out of hotels atm?
I just hope Cowells people look after her, which I'm sure they will.”
“I think what he said is right, the pressure has just been huge and too much. On the night of her audition she went from unknown to global mega star. Everyone from all corners of the world knew about her. I spoke to a friend in Egypt who knew about her, that's how global she was. And then all she could do was wait.. and it's clearly taken it's toll. I'm not sure anyone could have coped. Had the audition, semi and then final been on 3 consecutive days she probably would have done much better mentally.
Has she any family to support her? Why is she living out of hotels atm?
I just hope Cowells people look after her, which I'm sure they will.”
I think it was only last week during the lead up to the final as they were all in the same hotel
to start with and then she got moved to somewhere else latterly..
I think Simon Cowell's people should have looked after her instead of leaving her to her own devices and now the help has come too late!
Originally Posted by soullover:
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.
People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom.”
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today
. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom.”
Totally agree.
My wishes are that Susan Boyle will soon be feeling much better, she needs the complete rest after the last few months, but I still Hope she gets a better life out of Britain's Got Talent, after her years of disappointments
It's so good to read how genuine people do care here, you don't have to like her, it is just being civil, but sadly you will always get the few!
The Media, Cowell and his team etc have much to reflect about and answer for this morning, hopefully such as Aiden and Hollie will recover from their disappointments being younger.
It's so good to read how genuine people do care here, you don't have to like her, it is just being civil, but sadly you will always get the few!
The Media, Cowell and his team etc have much to reflect about and answer for this morning, hopefully such as Aiden and Hollie will recover from their disappointments being younger.
Originally Posted by Bob22A:
“Apparently she had an outburst in a London hotel and was swearing and shouting and running about. She was taken from the hotel to a doctor and was then voluntarily sectioned under the mental health act.”
“Apparently she had an outburst in a London hotel and was swearing and shouting and running about. She was taken from the hotel to a doctor and was then voluntarily sectioned under the mental health act.”
But there is no such thing as "voluntarily sectioning".
People either go to a clinic voluntarily or they are admitted against their will under the Mental Health Act (sectioned).
Originally Posted by Smithy1204:
“Unless exhaustion is just something to tell the public. This is total speculation of course, just based on the fact that 'exhaustion' has been used as something to tell the media with a lot of celebrities in the past. Personally, the fact that police and ambulance were required suggests to me that it may been more serious than just 'exhaustion', but a) I may be oversimplifying serious exhaustion here, and b) they may have just been trying to be cautious.
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“Unless exhaustion is just something to tell the public. This is total speculation of course, just based on the fact that 'exhaustion' has been used as something to tell the media with a lot of celebrities in the past. Personally, the fact that police and ambulance were required suggests to me that it may been more serious than just 'exhaustion', but a) I may be oversimplifying serious exhaustion here, and b) they may have just been trying to be cautious.
”
Nervous exhaustion is not a real condition. And you don't get assessed under the Mental Health Act (i.e. sectioned) for being exhausted. Most likely cause was she had or was threatening to self-harm
If it hadn't been for the hype, would she have made it to the live shows?
How many times have we seen the "i don't think you would be able to handle the live shows" trotted out during the X Factor boot camp shows to perfectly good singers.
If the hype hadn't been there, might we have seen this said , "Good singer, but would she be able to handle the live show", during the picking of who was going to be on the live shows?
How many times have we seen the "i don't think you would be able to handle the live shows" trotted out during the X Factor boot camp shows to perfectly good singers.
If the hype hadn't been there, might we have seen this said , "Good singer, but would she be able to handle the live show", during the picking of who was going to be on the live shows?
Originally Posted by SylviaB:
“I don't think she will be in any different house than she is now and she has her family and friends around her
and I'm sure she would stay there whatever money she has in the future!”
“I don't think she will be in any different house than she is now and she has her family and friends around her
and I'm sure she would stay there whatever money she has in the future!”
The family and friends she had before her fame? She had no-one and now she will just have sycophants and leeches.
Originally Posted by solare:
“But there is no such thing as "voluntarily sectioning".
People either go to a clinic voluntarily or they are admitted against their will under the Mental Health Act (sectioned).”
“But there is no such thing as "voluntarily sectioning".
People either go to a clinic voluntarily or they are admitted against their will under the Mental Health Act (sectioned).”
You are right although the phrase is commonly used even by mental health professionals when someone fits the criteria for sectioning but is prepared to be contained 'voluntarily'. Glam clinics don't like their 'celebrity' clients to feel they are actually mentally ill - hence the exhaustion euphemisms - much less with others who are so they are loath to actually section folk if they can get them to agree to stay.
Originally Posted by soullover:
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.
People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom. If BMG/Sony milk her for her 5 minutes of fame they could ruin her life forever..and providing her with a bevy of psychologists on the way shouldn't be enough to satisfy their consciences either.”
“The people to blame are not her critics, it's the press and those ridiculous fans who perpetutuated the myth that this woman was some Angel sent from Heaven to show everything that was wrong with the World today
. They set this simple woman up on to a pedestal that she could never get down from unless she fell hard and harmed herself, which sadly appears to have happened. Celebs Oprah Winfrey & Demi Moore, with their endorsement and hysteria after seeing/hearing a very cleverly manipulated performance of ONE song must take some of the blame too, because their fame whipped things up even further and out of control.People on this board with their ' Dear Susan, meek and wonderful angel from Heaven' needed to get a reality check but sadly there's millions of gullible people like that, particularly in the US.
It raises all sports of questions about what we consider makes a person happy and fullfilled. And with Susan, it's probably not fame at all. she rightly wants is to sing and have appreciation & recognition for having a good singing voice but I seriously doubt she could cope with global stardom. If BMG/Sony milk her for her 5 minutes of fame they could ruin her life forever..and providing her with a bevy of psychologists on the way shouldn't be enough to satisfy their consciences either.”
Spot on, great post.
Poor woman. No doubt the press will now change tack and give her their sympathy. She has leaning difficulties - the pressure she's been under would have been too much for anyone to cope with, but someone from such a sheltered background and with the difficulties she has - virtually impossible. I hope she does what she wants to do now, not what anyone "advises" her is for the best.
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