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Old 11-06-2009, 12:15
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I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion, (which is completely off topic anyway) but if a dog chases a cat & corners it, so that the cat has no option but to fight, I would suspect that in many cases, the cat can & will inflict very severe injuries on the dog. Even though the cat may ultimately be killed by the dog, it will not give in without a fight, so the dog could well end up being blinded or seriously mauled & bitten by the cat.

So if anyone thinks it's funny or in anyway justifiable to allow their dogs to chase & attack a cat, they clearly don't care or have any feelings for their dog either. In fact perhaps they have no respect for any form of life (except their own!).

And on the subject of chasing squirrels, my friend's Ridgeback caught a squirrel once & ended with deep puncture wounds in her face & mouth ~ the squirrel did not give in without a fight either! The result for the dog was a vet visit, antibiotics & an expensive vet bill for my friend.
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Old 11-06-2009, 17:48
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[quote=sheddy99;32967391][quote=dan44762000;32948966]doh it means that the seagulls wont harm the cats that are so stressed
infact i dislike them so much i have trained my two dogs to attack and chase any they see....

I think you'll find this was YOUR comment - see above

I didn't say it was illegal to chase. I said training your dog to attack things is illegal.


If they are classed as dangerous dogs of course they will



No, because my dogs are trained well and aren't owned by a, to quote you,
go back and read your post (20) and you will see that it is you who said that seagulls may not hurt cats but will kill small dogs and rabbits ....
not me as you have pointed out...
i was merely quoting what you said....
dogs that chase cats are not classed as dangerous they are classed as normal..
so as i stated in my original post if your going to make comments make sure that they make sence...
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Old 11-06-2009, 17:51
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Your response seems completely illogical to me.

Yes, cats do kill instinctively - so why condemn them for doing what comes naturally?

However, you - by your own admission - have trained your dogs to chase cats. Presumably they don't catch them because they aren't fast enough but if they did, would you take pleasure in seeing the cat being injured or even killed? Would it bother you that someone's loved pet was being destroyed by yours?

If you would be unmoved by that, presumably you would also be indifferent to your own pet being attacked?

Why is it"nature" for your dogs to chase cats and therefore in your eyes - it's acceptable........... but for cats to chase other animals is not?
i condemn them because they are killers causing untold damage to birds and other wildlife. for no reason whatsoever. they get fed by there owners but still carry on killing other animals for fun..
its a horrible trait in a even more horrible animal...i could tell you things that have happened to the local cats but i wouldnt want too upset you....
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Old 11-06-2009, 17:54
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I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion, (which is completely off topic anyway) but if a dog chases a cat & corners it, so that the cat has no option but to fight, I would suspect that in many cases, the cat can & will inflict very severe injuries on the dog. Even though the cat may ultimately be killed by the dog, it will not give in without a fight, so the dog could well end up being blinded or seriously mauled & bitten by the cat.

So if anyone thinks it's funny or in anyway justifiable to allow their dogs to chase & attack a cat, they clearly don't care or have any feelings for their dog either. In fact perhaps they have no respect for any form of life (except their own!).

And on the subject of chasing squirrels, my friend's Ridgeback caught a squirrel once & ended with deep puncture wounds in her face & mouth ~ the squirrel did not give in without a fight either! The result for the dog was a vet visit, antibiotics & an expensive vet bill for my friend.
it would be outnumbered....notice i said dogs.....two dogs v one cat ....i,ll leave you to think about the outcome..and yeas i know its cruel but like i said i hate the horrible needless killers....they dont need to kill animals as they are fed by there owners but they do anyway for fun...so i am just paying them back with the help of mans best friends...
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Old 11-06-2009, 20:28
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dan44762000 you have spouted so much codswash that i also think your trolling on here.
If not then hopefully someone will contact the RSPCA about you., and before you give me your reply about dogs chasing cats being nature etc. Aye maybe years ago but this day and age alot of dogs like cats, and as for training your dogs to chase cats, lol, you should be ashamed of yourself. I own an ex working lurcher and i tell you now,she hates cats but it wouldn't even cross my mind to let her near one. cats are vicious under attack and go straight for the eyes and nose on a dog.
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Old 11-06-2009, 21:29
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i condemn them because they are killers causing untold damage to birds and other wildlife. for no reason whatsoever. they get fed by there owners but still carry on killing other animals for fun..
its a horrible trait in a even more horrible animal...i could tell you things that have happened to the local cats but i wouldnt want too upset you....
You are looking at the situation from the point of view of a human being. Do you honestly think that a cat (or any other animal) would stop and think:

"Hmm, well that looks pretty tasty but since I was given my breakfast this morning and I'll be having supper in a few hours, I think I'll probably not bother eating it"

Whilst I can understand that you might find the killing of animals to be unpleasant, I'm afraid it is a fact of life. Animals live in the moment and probably don't think ahead to their next mealtime. To a dog or a cat, they will regard any food as being potentially the last thing they are ever given to eat - so they're hardly likely to turn it down............ however it is presented to them.

I just wonder if you think that birds are heartless killers for eating worms when they've already been feasting at someone's bird table?
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Old 11-06-2009, 22:23
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go back and read your post (20) and you will see that it is you who said that seagulls may not hurt cats but will kill small dogs and rabbits ....
not me as you have pointed out...
i was merely quoting what you said...
I suggest that YOU go back and read post 9 (and FYI post nine comes before post 20 ) and see what you said..which is this (because you are obvioulsy having trouble reading straight):
-06-2009 12:09
dan44762000 no they wont hurt the cats ...which is a shame as the cats would hurt the chicks...


dogs that chase cats are not classed as dangerous they are classed as normal..
Chase yes. Attack no.

so as i stated in my original post if your going to make comments make sure that they make sence...
Oh the irony
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:17
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I suggest that YOU go back and read post 9 (and FYI post nine comes before post 20 ) and see what you said..which is this (because you are obvioulsy having trouble reading straight):
-06-2009 12:09
dan44762000 no they wont hurt the cats ...which is a shame as the cats would hurt the chicks...




Chase yes. Attack no.



Oh the irony
i,m not having any trouble...your the one with trouble...i said they wont hurt the cats....but the cats would hurt and kill the seagulls chicks...your the one who said ...they might not hurt the cats but they will kill small dogs and rabbits...now i hope that is easy enough for you to understand ...if not i give up and suggest going back to night school...
heres my question ...how can a seagull kill a small dog or a rabbit and not do anything too a cat ? ? ?
it makes no sence unlike my posts which make total sence...
any cats gone missing locally yet ? ? ?
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:22
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dan44762000 you have spouted so much codswash that i also think your trolling on here.
If not then hopefully someone will contact the RSPCA about you., and before you give me your reply about dogs chasing cats being nature etc. Aye maybe years ago but this day and age alot of dogs like cats, and as for training your dogs to chase cats, lol, you should be ashamed of yourself. I own an ex working lurcher and i tell you now,she hates cats but it wouldn't even cross my mind to let her near one. cats are vicious under attack and go straight for the eyes and nose on a dog.
codswash ? ? ? ? ? when you can speak in english i will give you a answer.
untill then i suggest a dictionary .
what you going to say to the r.s.p.c.a. ?
oh some guy from a forum has been saying he trains his dog to chase cats.
they would laugh you out of the conversation.
before they can do anything they need proof.
proof is not something i have said in a forum.
and cats are vicious even when they are not under attack .
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Old 12-06-2009, 13:00
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it would be outnumbered....notice i said dogs.....two dogs v one cat ....i,ll leave you to think about the outcome..and yeas i know its cruel but like i said i hate the horrible needless killers....they dont need to kill animals as they are fed by there owners but they do anyway for fun...so i am just paying them back with the help of mans best friends...
If I ever caught anyone setting their dogs onto my cat, the RSPCA would be the last of their worries

Not all cats catch birds, none of mine have done so....all have also lived quite peacefully and lovingly with my dogs.
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Old 12-06-2009, 13:57
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My first two dogs were brought up with our 5 cats - cats ruled the roost but never harmed the dogs and the dogs loved the cats. Present dogs don't have any access to cats but I would never allow them to chase one, all the cats round here are quite confident they won't be hurt as they just sit on the path grooming as we walk by.
I think actually we could learn a thing or two about living together and tolerance from our furry friends.
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Old 13-06-2009, 13:39
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If I ever caught anyone setting their dogs onto my cat, the RSPCA would be the last of their worries

Not all cats catch birds, none of mine have done so....all have also lived quite peacefully and lovingly with my dogs.
oooooooohhhhhhhh quaking in my boots......NOT.....
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Old 15-06-2009, 11:15
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Anyway ~ to back to the seagulls ~ I've now discovered there are 2 chicks on the neighbour's roof, instead of just the one I thought was there originally. One is much smaller than the other. I bought a new washing up bowl on Saturday so that the old one can become a bird bath. Almost immediately one of the adult seagulls was drinking from it & splashing around in it! This attracted one of my cats who sat underneath the bushes below the bowl of water. Within minutes the seagull's splashing soaked the cat who legged it onto the wall on the other side of the garden to watch from a safe distance.

I also bought several packets of cheap lard on Saturday, melted it down, mixed oats, peanuts, seeds & currants into it, then put it in foil trays in the fridge to set. I put one block on the garage roof on Sunday for the birds. Unfortunately it was a warm day, the lard melted & left a large pile of fat-drenched seeds etc. It didn't deter the birds though, who had a lovely day pecking away at the free dinner. It also worked out a lot cheaper than buying fat balls from the shops only to see the seagulls making off with a whole one!
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Old 24-06-2009, 17:00
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Anyway ~ to back to the seagulls ~ I've now discovered there are 2 chicks on the neighbour's roof, instead of just the one I thought was there originally. One is much smaller than the other. I bought a new washing up bowl on Saturday so that the old one can become a bird bath. Almost immediately one of the adult seagulls was drinking from it & splashing around in it! This attracted one of my cats who sat underneath the bushes below the bowl of water. Within minutes the seagull's splashing soaked the cat who legged it onto the wall on the other side of the garden to watch from a safe distance.

I also bought several packets of cheap lard on Saturday, melted it down, mixed oats, peanuts, seeds & currants into it, then put it in foil trays in the fridge to set. I put one block on the garage roof on Sunday for the birds. Unfortunately it was a warm day, the lard melted & left a large pile of fat-drenched seeds etc. It didn't deter the birds though, who had a lovely day pecking away at the free dinner. It also worked out a lot cheaper than buying fat balls from the shops only to see the seagulls making off with a whole one!
Do you know if baking soda works? I was thinking of mixing baking soda with marg / butter and throwing it inside some bread.

They've been diving bombing a lot of people where I live and they are very aggressive and loud.
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