I agree....
Considering that in all three series'...he has always ended up alone, and sad.....this type of end will be more than fitting.....



Is all I am gonna say

I definately want Tennants last episode to be dark, foreboding and doomladen. If we can't have an episode like that when we know he's going to die, when can we.

I don't want to see a happy, bubbly Doctor completely oblivious to his approaching fate. I want the suspense to build until his final moment.

Considering that i have been crying for all series finales so far....I think doom and gloom is what we are definitely going to get.....(and that is what I want)

Anyway none of the regeneration of been happy sort have they? So it would be very weird if we got one for DT.....

Sounds more like you want a Torchwood episode ..

But anyway as I say I don't think RTD and David will go out in such a fragile,weak,scared Doctor scenario.I believe we will see Ten fragile,weak and scared but I also think he'll get to be the clever spirited timelord also .I don't think it's going to be happy,bubbly Doctor I never said that at all.In fact i've said several times on this forum I have no problem with RTD exploring the fragility of the Doctor as he did so beautifully in Midnight where Ten saved noone and never got to be the clever timelord and was beaten about to die had the hostess not stepped in ..
-it's just I don't think David and RTD should or will end their time in the series in that scenario ..

-anyway can't know anything till it's broadcast ..so it's wait and see time.

Sounds like this is what we are going to get - I don't imagine he will go weakly though. Whatever anyone's personal opinions of DT as the Tenth Doctor is, he is generally a much loved Doctor and I am certain he will go out strong.

Not quite. The man himself says in the Mo Ryan interview:


Mo Ryan also said, in the same article:


Presumably, the rest of the UK will get to see it as well!

Thanks for posting that link - I hadn't got around to looking it up yet. Yes, I hope the rest of the UK get to see it too, or I will be gutted!

i know for certain that i will be a big blubbering mess come the end of it

Just out of interest, why don't you think they should end the series in that way? I don't think the Doctor is your conventional hero, and neither is Doctor Who a romantic / heroic show. Yes, there can be elements of both in there, but ultimately, it's sci-fi.

I like what DT says here....




He is more than happy to play the darkness...and loneliness of the Doctor....and I feel he plays it brilliantly....so it's nice to know that he will get to play that in the finale.....his last chance to act his socks of in DW....


Anyway...knowing that these episodes are by RTD, I doubt they will be devoid of any type of humour what so ever....it will be probably along the lines of TPOTW.....where CE's last speech for example was very sad and touching, but yet it raised a smile.....

Not sure what you want me to add to my earlier comments Mikey ..but basicly it boils down to I think David and Russell are proud of the tenth Doctor and i'm sure they won't want to leave Ten in some scared,weak,fragile scenario ...thats why I think he'll get to be the clever spirited timelord ..


My biggest concern about the specials is that i'll have to slate David and Russell and rate the two parter rubbish on Christmas and New Years Day -that would make me sad.

I'm sure that won't happen though my thinking being RTD will want to leave the series with a corker story for all the family not outside mainstream sci-fi ... and as long as it's a beautiful story the whole family can understand and be impacted by ..i'll be praising them both for sure .

Personally Jessica....I really don't think you have much to be worried about.....there is no way that RTD is going kill of the Doctor in Midnight style, where he just gets chucked out all feeble and unable to do anything...and just die....

Chances are he will go heroically, even if he has become fragile...saving someone, or the whole of Earth, or the universe.....even the Fourth Doctor, despite dying because he fell (), he was up there on the radio telescope's gantry in order to save the world in the first place.......so chances are Ten will die saving someone or something.....


When we are saying that we want darkness and gloom, because he knows that he is dying.....and he would surely be sad at that, and can prepare for that, instead of having it all of a sudden plop on him.....even in TPOTW, as the Dalek fleet was building up, the Ninth Doctor knew he was not going to survive...whether he managed to build the delta wave or not....and we saw sadness in his eyes too...but he still had his character...and the audience wasn't exactly turning away in droves, and hating what they were seeing.....in fact the Doctor being at a point where he feels that nothing can be done, makes for interesting drama/story.....and when the Ninth Doctor absorbs the vortex from Rose....even then as he definitely knows he is dying....he has an edge of sadness as well as his usuall masking humour....
And we are very likely to get that in the finale....RTD is really good at mixing the suspense and humour at the right dosage IMO.....



In the end if your are disappointed with the finale result...well all i can say is sorry if you are....but here is hoping that you love it has you have loved the finales in the past....


But on a general note, if I have learnt one thing from coming on DS, and reading the reviews of episodes on here......someone is always disappointed....RTD can never win everyone round....if he writes something epic like his finales, then someone hates it for being too overblown, and emotional. If he writes a small scale one like Midnight, then some find that too boring. If he writes a light hearted episode, then someone is bound to say that it is all childish humour, and only people with the brain the size of a pea would appreciate it. And then if he does dark stories, then he is either copying, putting in cliches, or is pandering to the adult audience. and if writes an experimental episode, then he has destroyed DW....

RTD is never going to win 100%......

All we can do is hope for the best, and wait

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I'm not that concerned -was just fearing some miserable dark sci-fi story that only the minority would "get" but i'm sure that won't happen.RTD has said there won't be a dry eye in the house and that says to me he's wrote this two parter with the whole family in mind -if he has thats what I want and i'll be praising RTD and David ..i'm sure I will .

RTD can never win on the Who forums true .. but it's pleasing the millions watching at home that matters anyway .

Just watch the Caves of Androzani to see how a regeneration should be done. That story is dark and doomladen and brilliant too.

I don't want a Torchwood episode at all. I just don't want Tennant spending the whole episode gurning and grinning as if nothings going to happen.

You forgot that joke went out of fashion three years ago!

Do we know if Matt Smith makes an appearance at the very end or it's just *Die* *regenerate* *Credits before new body* like at the end of series 4's penultimate episode?

And will there be enough of series 5 filmed at that stage to get a preview clip at the end of the Christmas special, series 2/3 style?

Where have I said I want Tennant gurning and grinning I never did -did you read my comments about fragile Doctor/Midnight? i'm ok about dark fragility I just don't think David and Russell will or should end their time on the tv series in that way ..

It's that gurning and grinning as you put it that is a major factor in Ten bonding so beautifully with the viewers imo- that lovely smile sums up his zest and love for life-endears and draws the viewers to him makes them know the character and care imo.So no I don't think we need to see smiling Ten on this occasion because the viewers will care that he's not smiling and it will be very effective imo..

Not seen Parting of the ways in a little while but as I recall it shows Nine very well -strong don't remember him weak at any time.So to me this scared,fragile Doctor scenario that Ten seems to be about to suffer is already taking new who darker than it's ever been-but i'm still thinking we'll get to see Ten be the spirited,clever timelord .

I'd just like to see a big happy ending at Christmas/New Year to finalise the story, and then SUDDENLY our David gets blasted by something unexpected at the very end.
TO BE CONTINUED could then follow, with "Adric's Theme" (ie: silence....and no continuity announcer!).

Nahh he wont be given the Adric treatment. Yeah, its the death of an incarnation, or is it a rebirth?

Remember the Nine/Ten regeneration? It was very sad, of course - but the music was uplifting, and the overall effect was quite positive. A sob combined with a hoorah combined with a WTF.

My one criteria regarding DT's regeneration is that I hope it isn't the 'Jesus-pose' regeneration we've had several times. I hope he either regenerates lying down a la Classic Who or - get this - whilst running for the TARDIS. How awesome would that be?

In slo-mo, he's just triggered the destruction of the bad guy's ship (whilst being mortally wounded), has already made his farewells to his companions and attemps to sprint to the TARDIS before his regeneration starts. A real race-against-time moment. Full of adrenaline as well as emotion.

I'd rather him regenerate side by side with the Master and have their regeneration energy merge into one leaving Doctor 11 with the Master lurking deep within, Jekyll/Hyde style!

There's no hope in hell it'll go down with silent credits and no continuity announcer though. BBC policy forbids it...

And the standing regeneration just seems to be how the effect is handled these days. He was lying down before the fakeout regeneration in The Stolen Earth before pulling himself to his feet specifically to regenerate!

Might as well cast James Nesbitt in the role then! Steven Moffat would start scratching his thumb with his finger thinking - "this feels...familiar".

Yeah, the regeneration stance thing seems to have become the standard. I just thought, in the spirit of the classic series where (most of) all the regenerations were very different from eachother - it would be nice to have something different.

Because I'm sure RTD has tried to make this finale as sad but as exciting as possible - he wouldn't leave any scene in the episode as something ming-mongs would be able to imagine for themselves.

[I, Eaglestriker, do solemnly swear and certify that I am not a ming mong].

Just spotted Mo has made some more tweets about the specials -i'll post the link to David_Tennant where they are easier to read and find .


Eps will make you ache sounds so sad but i'm glad to read RTD's comments -he sounds very proud and sounds like it's not all going to be doom and gloom which is good .

David's finest hour by a million miles -sounds like he's done Ten and himself proud .

Just reading this again -am I taking the tweet up wrong or is Mo separating New Years and early 2010?

Is there to be something else DW for DT after the Christmas two parter maybe?

This is BBC America you're talking about, so possibly his Sarah Jane Adventures appearance.

Yep could be anything I guess -and she could just mean New Years day given it's early 2010 .Will be interesting to see what project3 is ..

Feeling less concerned about the specials after reading Mo's tweets anyway -sounds like they're going to be fab and do RTD and David proud .

JessicaL, everytime I ever come on these forums there are loads of posts from you going on about the Doctor being happy and cheerful and having fun, and getting all upset about any chance of an episode not being frothy and light - what's the obsession?!!