So in your case Blotch your stb wasn't waiting for a start flag from the bbc and seems to show that this fail was indeed the fault of them not flagging properly as they did with Yellowstone episode 2 first run and last weeks Gardeners World.

Agreed,

That seems the most likely explanation now, if Graham's single instance recording also used padding instead of AR.

Rgds.


Les.

1. Yes I find padding more reliable - I've been caught out so many times with failed 'auto' recordings!

2. Oops yes its shown as 67mins total (as are all the other episodes recorded) - my apologies. (I think I got 106 from 1hr 6 mins!!).

Get's wierder, doubting myself now, just double checked REc start and end both set to auto.

Graham

In that case it sounds like the 'flags' didn't get transmitted across the whole network of transmitters. Did all the failed recordings have other recordings scheduled at the same time? Mine didn't.

Are you saying you've just checked under Menu>settings>recording>Record start time/end time?

Have you at any time edited your original reservation and slipped on a minute extra either end or something?

Right,

Brian's experience is different, as we have seen re padding the EPG time, so that is his explanation OK.

Graham got the single instance to record with AR, whereas SL didn't record with AR.

You know I don't like unexplained events so let's have another think about this.

[LIST=1][*]BBC must have sent the AR signal, as Graham got a recording.[*]Most of us got a 0min file, so the recording must have tried to start (GC, did you get a 0min file?). If a timer doesn't execute, because the start signal isn't sent, you normally get nothing at all.[/LIST]
OK, here goes.

Sometime after the last prog, after the Timer moved on, BBC corrupted/changed the CRID data on SP.

Those with untouched SL timers, the HDR tried to execute the Timer on the Start signal, could not match the prog/series to the CRID data, and the recording fails.

Graham's works because he set his single instance Timer with the new CRID data.

That's all I can come up with, as a theory.

Rgds.


Les.

Yes I did

Yes just checked to see if I had a brainstorm and changed the Record Start/End from auto. I had not

And nope I only set the reservation yesterday morning, just OK and single instance, no subsequent editing. Went to play Badminton saw your post while other half caught up with Emmerdale. Restrained myself until Emmerdale finished , in a small panic checked the media list and there it was , as was the ITV HD recording of the Hurricane programme recorded in the same way and set at the same time. If it was manually padded would that not show up in the recorded prog info ?
Last edited by grahamlthompson : 10-06-2009 at 16:46

Hi Les,
From your post...

'Those with untouched SL timers, the HDR tried to execute the Timer on the Start signal, could not match the prog/series to the CRID data, and the recording fails.

Graham's works because he set his single instance Timer with the new CRID data.'

.....my SL timer was setup in May and hasn't been touched since, although there has been a couple of HDR channel listing updates in that period (HDR auto-updates channel list upon coming out of standby, with no new channels added!). Maybe that was the CRID data being updated. So maybe some either didn't allow or missed the last channel update, which resulted in missed recording! Would this follow your working theory

Regards

Brian

Hi Blotch the crid data gets updated when the EPG is updated not when the channel list is..

Thinking on these lines If Graham set his timer in the morning he may have had new epg and crid data in place when he set it and others with problems may have older out of date crid data as savvy says

Been out for a while, just got back.

Yes, I did think about your untouched SL, but I wondered if Padding (effectively removing AR), says "Record this channel, at this time (from the EPG time)" irrespective of what prog is actually showing, so would not require the CRID Data.

I don't know if this is how padding effectively works, as I've never used it, so has not figured in my testing.

It does make the theory fit, though.

I'm afraid I just can't resist exploring these mysteries.

Rgds.


Les.

Hi GC,

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at.

Rgds.

Les.

Brian,

To answer this part of your post.

The BBCi Tech Team responded to a post of mine suggesting that the zero channels updates were probably PID changes, which are invisible to us, to all extents & purposes.

Rgds.


Les.

Mine also worked. SL HD recording no padding.

mastanlem

Can you remember if you updated the EPG yesterday anytime before the recording started? i.e pressing the guide button and leaving the EPG on screen until the picture appeared behind it

I didn't get a 0 min file.
I've had a SL in place for a couple of weeks.
I've updated the EPG in the past day.

That help clarify anything?!

Thanks for the feedback rent-a-nuke I take yours failed last night as well. was the epg refreshed some time before the programme was due to start like the early evening? It's strange that you haven't had the 0 min file ( it's not in the folder as would be expected but on the root of the drive).

Ah, I haven't checked in the root, will check that tomorrow and report back!

Been watching the footie, and then drove the father-in-law home.

@mastanlem

At the moment, you are the unknown factor.

We appear to be able to rationalise Brian & Graham's successful recordings, and all other unsuccesful SL recordings ........ apart from yours.

I know you said No Padding, but would you mind checking, please :-
[LIST=1][*]Your Start/End settings under Menu Recording. i.e. are you Auto for both, if not any padding start/end, is it manually padded start/end, or a totally untouched SL Link on Auto?
[*]Your Billing Start/End times
[*]The record time (x mins)
[*]When you set your SL timer, and if you reset it at any time last week, for any reason.
[*]What other recordings you had set before/same time/after, and whether they were successful or not.[/LIST]Many Thanks.

Les.

Hi,

No I never updated the epg, in fact I was watching a recording that I had done on my sky box.

mastanlem

Ditto - bit miffed as we've been enjoying that.

Don't fret...it'll be repeated very soon I don't doubt


...and to add some info.

SL put in a couple of weeks ago, AUTO, haven't seen a broken recording anywhere but will have a better look.

If this persists then manually padded looks like the least worst option in future.

0 minute file in the root folder here too.

I use auto padding too and really don't want to change from that...

Just to clarify here :-

Auto-Padding is set from the Menu | Settings | Recording | Recording Start Time/Recording End Time e.g. Start - 5mins Early; End - 5 mins Late. This will then pad from the EPG time, and not track the broadcast AR signals.
Confusingly, the Auto option does not mean Auto-Padding, its sets Accurate Recording (AR) on.
@rent-a-nuke, I suspect you have AR, not Auto-Padding.

Manual Padding is set on an individual timer (even if you have AR set in your Recording settings). e.g. set an SL Timer from the EPG; go into Schedule and Edit that timer by manually adding 5 mins to the Start/End times. This manual padding turns it into a Manual Timer, and the SL is lost, so you need to set the repeat option to Daily, Weekday, Weekly, etc. This type of timer will not track any EPG changes or AR signals.
@Fatbloke99, I don't believe you are referring to Manual Padding

I hope this helps.

Rgds.

Les.

Yes, I'm using AR.