End of series speculation..

Ainley

10-06-2009

I've put this in spoiler tags here just in case anyone is trying to hide from any leaked information. So, from what we've heard - whether it turns out to be true or not - how about this for my speculative end to the series...

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As I say, only a bit of fun and speculation, and we know Russell likes a big end end to each season and, with this being Tennant's last story he might want to make this a real epic. What do you reckon?

vaughan6477

10-06-2009

Originally Posted by Ainley:
“I've put this in spoiler tags here just in case anyone is trying to hide from any leaked information. So, from what we've heard - whether it turns out to be true or not - how about this for my speculative end to the series...

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The Master has finally reached the end of his tether with the Doctor for constantly foiling his evil schemes so he goes back to before the Doctor was born to stop it happening. (Apparently the Doctor's mother has been cast and Timothy Dalton is playing another Time Lord, so maybe he is the Doctor's father...?) The Master plots his evil plot and the Doctor realises that this could be the end for him and as the Master's plot unravels the Doctor is slowly ceasing to be (we have heard that apparently he dies slowly this time around). With his final moments he decides to go and see all his companions one last time (it seems Rose, Sarah Jane, Donna et al are all appearing but only in cameos). Of course, something happens and he is able to save the day, possibly something to do with John Smith's journal of dreams he made in Human Nature (Sylvia Simms is apparently in it as well). In saving himself and his parents he triggers a regeneration. This could possibly also open the way up for Gallifrey and the Time Lords to return...

As I say, only a bit of fun and speculation, and we know Russell likes a big end end to each season and, with this being Tennant's last story he might want to make this a real epic. What do you reckon?”

I do like the idea of

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Ainley

10-06-2009

171 views and only one response...!?

dobsy

10-06-2009

Aww. I'm sure lots of people have their own ideas and speculations, but they've probably already expressed them on any one of the multiple threads so far.

Jakes_stuff

10-06-2009

It has been stated by RTD in DWM that..

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performingmonk

10-06-2009

This is a cool idea. I think one thing is clear to everyone and not spoilerific - we're gonna see Time Lords. How this plays out, whether we're going back on the Doctor's timeline (something that's not supposed to be allowed) or they return in 2009/10 time, who can tell.

vaughan6477

10-06-2009

A poster on DWForum this week , linking to another site suggested.

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JCR

10-06-2009

Originally Posted by vaughan6477:
“A poster on DWForum this week , linking to another site suggested.

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The final scene of 10's last story , is Matt Smith standing in the brown suit looking out at some wreckage. Could be the insides of the Tardis are blown out somehow?

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That would fit with RTD saying he's not writing one word of 11's dialogue.

vaughan6477

10-06-2009

True

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demonbazza

11-06-2009

Well, that blows my crazy theory out of the water then

I watched 'The Doctor's Daughter again yesterday and during her death scene, whilst holding her, the Doctor says something like ' She's too much like me'.
I took that to mean that the reason why Jenny did not regenerate (at the time) was because the Doctor was on his last regeneration, and so any clone of his would be too.
Jenny did not seem to actually regenerate, rather / either - the gasses which terraformed the planet seemed to rejuvenate her? or as she was freshly cloned she could fix herself (like the Doctors hand regrowing itself even after he had been in a coma for an entire episode)

My point is

maybe the Doctors time really does run out and he really does die, but Jenny's cloning procedure means she has a full run of regenerations, and she becomes the new Doctor?

.... actually, this idea seemed better in my head

NewbieCanuck

11-06-2009

Originally Posted by demonbazza:
“Well, that blows my crazy theory out of the water then

I watched 'The Doctor's Daughter again yesterday and during her death scene, whilst holding her, the Doctor says something like ' She's too much like me'.
I took that to mean that the reason why Jenny did not regenerate (at the time) was because the Doctor was on his last regeneration, and so any clone of his would be too.
Jenny did not seem to actually regenerate, rather / either - the gasses which terraformed the planet seemed to rejuvenate her? or as she was freshly cloned she could fix herself (like the Doctors hand regrowing itself even after he had been in a coma for an entire episode)

My point is maybe the Doctors time really does run out and he really does die, but Jenny's cloning procedure means she has a full run of regenerations, and she becomes the new Doctor?

.... actually, this idea seemed better in my head”

No... it was quite clear from The Stolen Earth that the Doctor hasn't run out of regenerations. The idea of Jenny becoming the new Doctor might make sense if they wanted to cast Georgia Moffat, but as they've already cast Matt Smith it would make no sense to throw away 45 years of a character's history and replace him with someone completely new, who never met any of the Doctor's friends or enemies/

dirkster41

12-06-2009

I have to say I agree. I'm not big on the idea of changing the Doctor. Yeah so he's only got a couple of regenerations left, just make something up so he can get out of it. You'll get a minority of people say "Oh no this is terrible" and then they'll forget within a week. And i also suspect that they're not going to tackle this untill they get nearer, i.e. when his last regeneration comes about.

bradleybarlow

12-06-2009

Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck:
“... it was quite clear from The Stolen Earth that the Doctor hasn't run out of regenerations.”

Here lies the problem - 10 said something along the lines of "I didn't want to change, why would I?". Ergo, 10 must surely be forced into regenerating into 11?

(P.S. First time I've EVER used the word 'ergo' - not sure how that's working out for me...

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lordOfTime

12-06-2009

Originally Posted by bradleybarlow:
“Here lies the problem - 10 said something along the lines of "I didn't want to change, why would I?". Ergo, 10 must surely be forced into regenerating into 11?

(P.S. First time I've EVER used the word 'ergo' - not sure how that's working out for me...)”

Yea but he only chose not too because he had the Spare hand to pour his regeneration energy into. Without that he'd have healed and continued the regeneration process and into Doc 11. Remember Doc 7 actually died and regenerated into 8 by pure chance. Given the opportunity i'm sure he'd keep his form for as long as he chooses bearing in mind he lasted to quite an old appearance in his seventh life.

bradleybarlow

12-06-2009

Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“Yea but he only chose not too because he had the Spare hand to pour his regeneration energy into. Without that he'd have healed and continued the regeneration process and into Doc 11.”

Of course, how could I have forgotten that!! Durrrr! Ignore me, I'll go back to sleep...!

dirkster41

12-06-2009

Originally Posted by bradleybarlow:
“(P.S. First time I've EVER used the word 'ergo' - not sure how that's working out for me...)”

No, don't, I just wouldn't, it's just ...... no.

JAS84

12-06-2009

Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“Given the opportunity i'm sure he'd keep his form for as long as he chooses bearing in mind he lasted to quite an old appearance in his seventh life.”

and his first!

lordOfTime

12-06-2009

Exactly, I've always been slightly confused by Doc 10's comments to Rose in "School Reunion" that he doesn't age. Yes he regenerates but his physical body ages in appearance. The only differences is Humans only get one shot at life.

Corwin

13-06-2009

Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“Exactly, I've always been slightly confused by Doc 10's comments to Rose in "School Reunion" that he doesn't age. Yes he regenerates but his physical body ages in appearance. The only differences is Humans only get one shot at life.”

While Timelord bodies do age it has to be at a slower rate than human bodies.

The 4th Doctor for example last gave his age as 750 odd yet the 6th Doctor was 900 in his first (or one of the early ones anyway) story.

So the Doctor had aged 150 years during the later part of his 4th incarnation and all of his 5th incarnation yet we saw very little actual aging.

lordOfTime

13-06-2009

Originally Posted by Corwin:
“While Timelord bodies do age it has to be at a slower rate than human bodies.

The 4th Doctor for example last gave his age as 750 odd yet the 6th Doctor was 900 in his first (or one of the early ones anyway) story.

So the Doctor had aged 150 years during the later part of his 4th incarnation and all of his 5th incarnation yet we saw very little actual aging.”

So if he's 900 years old by the 6th Doc, regenerates into Doc 7 how old is he by the time he appears old in the TV movie. According to the Doctor he's 903 years old in Voyage of the Damned! So unless the Doctor is lieing, I don't buy it.

korbany

13-06-2009

Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“So if he's 900 years old by the 6th Doc, regenerates into Doc 7 how old is he by the time he appears old in the TV movie. According to the Doctor he's 903 years old in Voyage of the Damned! So unless the Doctor is lieing, I don't buy it.”

I have the feeling that the Doctor tells little fibs about his age.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that he has been telling people that he is '900' years old for a few thousand years now.

Corwin

13-06-2009

The age given in the new series age does not match up to that given in the old one.

The 7th Doctor once gave his age as 950 (the same age as The Rani) and the books had the 8th Doctor celebrating his 1000th Birthday.

For whatever reason RTD decided to reset the Doctors age to 900, the most likely inshow explanation is that the Doctor does indeed lie about his age as he has done before (he once gave his age as 753 but Romana pointed out that he was in fact 756).

Even if you only use dates given by the 10th Doctor he has to be over 903 by VotD anyway as in the "Infinate Quest" he spends 2 years trying to reunite with Martha for whom only hours have passed.

JAS84

13-06-2009

IQ's canonicity is debatable as it wasn't part of the proper series. Likewise the books, comics, and audios.