'Jon Tickle, Big Brother, er, "star": "I don't mind the label nerd. After all, we have all the answers." ....'

One of Teletext's quotes of the year.

All the rest are here.

Got to love that Jon...Shame the Endomol got itcy feet and turned on him like that....still, they got the bigot they deserved to win....

Not all the answers, otherwise he wouldn't have got such a crap degree.

I clicked on this and saw that coming, well, the tone anyway.

Maybe it could be your New Year's resolution to say something nice (or at a push non-negative) about somebody - anybody whatsoever really.......?

ps. Let's hope everyone on here at least has a degree, a first preferably and at the worst a 2.1, otherwise they should be assumed to be of lesser intelligence?

*shuffles away* that's me out then I don't have a degree so I must be as thick as pig shit

That's a bit unfair Anon..................I protest.
I write nice things about Kate and have been mostly supportive of Cameron.............................or was there someone special you'd like me to write nice things about?

Anyway, which part of my post did you disagree with?
Jon said that he knew all the answers, implying that he had above average intelligence when it's common knowledge on the forum that he hasn't.
I'm only trying to keep the record straight Anon. I'm only protecting you from worshipping false idols.

Actually he said 'we' have all the answers

or, not so academically qualified?

That was the Royal "we".

I disagreed with all of it - "Not all the answers, otherwise he wouldn't have got such a crap degree. " - there's not much of a 'part' to pick out from that is there?

The implication to me was that you were judging his intelligence based on his class of degree - if not you were referencing to it in that you saw fit to bring it up.

Something I have learned over the years is that intelligence is not remotely related to whether you even have a degree or not, never mind a 'crap degree'.
You try telling me that those coming out now with 4 straight A's, a 2.1 or 1st are any more intelligent than those 10 years older with a 'crap' degree or none, not to mention better educated - blah blah that's a whole new subject....

I don't think it is 'common knowledge on the forum' that Jon does not have above average intelligence, from seeing him in the house and speaking since I would say that he has, regardless of his 'crap degree', I can't be the only one who sees that.
I'd take a guess that he said it tongue-in-cheek anyway regarding the 'nerdy' thing which he takes in very good part - I'd have probably thumped Ian by now if I were him but he smiles on - I don't think he takes himself that seriously although obviously he must realise he is not at all daft.

As for 'worshipping false idols', I don't worship Jon, I don't really even follow what he does although I wish him the best and I did like him - my comments were based on yours alone.

[quote]Originally posted by anon2

You might have noticed in that post I kept well away from any reference to intelligence and the inevitable debate on "A degree equals a measure of intelligence" with supplementary questions on common sense and being street smart.
Jon made a statement that as a nerd he knew all the answers. I disagreed with his ability to know all the answers and used the fact that he attained a mediocre class of degree as proof. I've withdrawn the use of "crap" as it might have sounded a tad too emotive.
Some people might consider that to be fair comment.

No sorry, I didn't notice that, the inference was clear to me.

Jon's statement as I said was probably tongue-in cheek, he takes all the 'nerdy' references in extremely good part I would say. As I said from hearing him speak since I would say he was above average intelligence, he speaks well and is eloquent, despite his 'crap' degree.

Ah, I see you have withdrawn the 'crap' comment as it was 'maybe too emotive' - was that before as implied and did I miss it - or was it just for the first time and hence very hidden in that post as above?

Nada - it's our Lord Jon remember? Probably something to do with the Tickle Trinity

I don't why Anon 2 is bothering really, although kudos for hauling Bystander up.

Personally, I don't consider any degree to be "crap" - and it's pretty obvious that Jon was being vaguely flippant.

Then again, Bystander's petty comments seem to come from a rather childish desire or need to provoke. Rather sad really.

That's what I think, thank you Ben.

Personally I don't think I ever met such a concentration of stupid people in any one place at any one time as I did at university.

You've embarrassed me now Ben. You're right; it was a poor choice of words on my part. No degree should ever be considered as "crap" and I apologise to anyone who has taken the time and effort to acquire one, whether it be a crap grade or one with a gold star attached.

The presumption that Jon was being vaguely flippant or tongue in cheek is highly unlikely, coming from someone who, when the position for a negotiator was being discussed in the house, came out with the statement “I get a shitload of money for doing this ", or words very similar.

LOL - I agree plug

My personal story as to why I feel this way (brief):
I was in the 'elite' academically at school and predicted 3 A's and a B at A-level (no course work then, that would have been a breeze).
I had a place at medical school.

In the lower 6th, I discovered boys and pubs.
I did nil work for my A levels and did not get in to medical school.
I do not consider this a comment on my IQ, more my stupidity level.
I did a year of a Biology degree and you are right Plug- the people there were a cross-section and no more intelligent than those I was with at school.
It wasn't for me as it was lab-based.
I did however have a great time................recommend it to anyone.

Then I had a year off and started again with a more hospital based degree. I loved it but it was smaller and not the same as Uni, more friendly, I finished it though and it has been good for me, I made some good friends, had a great time and ended up travelling the world in the job I chose.

My point - the people on that course were a mixture, those that had 'dropped out' for what ever reasons and those that had always wanted to do it and strived really hard to get there.

People 'drop out' for all sorts of reasons - at the time I did and I don't really know why, I had every encouragement at home, books, stable life etc but I got distracted.
Others may not have such a stable home life and never aspire to university, not provided with books, help with homework, encouragement etc although some are perfectly intelligent.
Others may have circumstances against them studying - looking after ill parents etc.

In the grand scheme of things that does not matter.
I have friends from long ago that I obviously know their qualifications.
I also have more recent friends that I haven't got a clue - never thought to ask.

I do think you subconsciously judge people when you meet them on their IQ level - ie. how it equates to yours, and their sense of humour, how well you get on or should get on.
You judge this from talking to people and even on the net - it does not involve spelling or punctuation but more the way they speak.
It never occurs to me to ask for their qualifications, 'crap' degree or not, it all balances out in the end.

I think it may seem important at the time but in life it is totally irrelevant, you cannot cite someone's 'crap' degree or even total lack of as a measure of their intelligence, in years you measure that in a totally different way.

But if someone said they knew all the answers, their mediocre class of degree would be a good indicator that they hadn't known all the answers wouldn't it?

No-one knows all the answers of course, ever, whatever.

[In reference to the above posts may I reiterate here that imo your class of degree or whatever, in retrospect, bears no relation whatsoever to how many 'answers you have got' !]
Jon was being flippant, he took all the nerdy stuff in extremely good part imo - Ian is the nerd who called him, not Jon who rose above it, speaks extremely eloquently to me and can hold a decent conversation / argument. He may not be Einstein but is not at all below par and who are you to call him?

Other than that, I was as honest as I could be about myself and my views above, more so than ever before on here.
Further than that I cannot be bothered, if you still want to troll after that then that is truly your problem.

He can hold a decent conversation? To the tomatoes maybe but not with people, he bored the pants off them in the house.

As for holding a decent argument, I saw him trying to browbeat Cameron a few times who was a bit too worldly wise for him so we can count that out.

I never said Jon was of below average intelligence, I just didn't think he was above average, to me he was average IMO, unless of course being well spoken is a measure of one's intelligence.

Are you still supporting that sad bigot Cameron then bystander.....We saw Jon trying to get an opinion out of Cameron but sadly Cameron was too petrified his backward right wing beliefs would lose him votes he refused to say cowardly refused to stick up for any of views and put on a fake front instead.............

My point, was the ability of Jon to conduct a decent argument. He demanded opinions, which to me came across as bully boy tactics, a reflection of his arrogance.

Is that how it seemed to you?....I suppose it would be to Cameron's voters interests to have him keep quiet like a meek little rabbit...What we saw was Jon Tickle asking the cowardly Cameron to give an actual genuine opinion on just something...but we all saw he was too fake to do that.....

As for bully boy tactics.....Shall we return to Cameron's threats and bully boy school yard tactics he used to isolate people he didn't like....The classic bully is Cameron...As we can see now that he's let his mask slip and he's finally showing some opinions....I imagine he feels safer now he's paid for it.....And the way Cameron acts now (that he's stop being such a fake) shows he'd win everytime in an arrogance competition........